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Who Will Bush Pardon?

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posted on Oct, 13 2008 @ 11:42 AM
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I am starting this thread because I haven’t seen any info other than the usual names like Libby, Delay and Rove. But I am sure that some of the names on this list will make my blood boil, but Bush has a chance to free some real political prisoners such as Manuel Noriega. I hope that some one on this thread has some more info or some inside knowledge on the persons being considered.




posted on Oct, 13 2008 @ 11:57 AM
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free some real political prisoners such as Manuel Noriega


W H A T?

Do you even know WHAT he was convicted of:

coc aine trafficking
racketeering
money laundering
murder
human rights abuses

Not only was he convicted in the USA but also in absentia in Panama and France.

Political prisoner...? Indeed.




Dorian Soran



edit to add B O L D - my emphasis



[edit on 13-10-2008 by Dorian Soran]



posted on Oct, 13 2008 @ 12:02 PM
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Himself?

I think everyone in that administration will make the list! The entire REASON WE WERE TOLD we were going to Iraq has been proven a lie already, what will we know when/if we ever get to see some related gov documents?

In a perfect world, people would be held accountable...



posted on Oct, 13 2008 @ 12:02 PM
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In what way is he differentiated from those who are similarly guilty of these offense yet were conveniently not charged?

General Noriega was a leader who dared demand a 'piece of the action' - hence his downfall. I suggest you read further regarding international drug trafficking, and it's documented ties to the US CIA.

I suspect that while Noriega should have been convicted, I can't ignore the fact that drug trafficking was not deterred in the least by his removal from office (in fact, by some measures it was improved - from the traffickers' perspective). Get it?

BUSH will pardon whomever he is told to pardon - plus a few 'buddies'. That's one reason to make sure your vast criminal empire finds a way to support the nation's executive body... as is customary.



posted on Oct, 13 2008 @ 12:11 PM
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Here is a list of people he has pardoned SO FAR - this should give you an idea of what is in store

James Leon Adams (1965 selling firearms to out of state residents and falsifying firearms records)[4]
Kristan Diane Bullock Akins (1990 Embezzlement by a bank employee)[5]
Charles James Allen (1979 conspiracy to defraud the United States. A former federal employee, Allen was convicted for approving payments to James Hilles Associates Inc., a Virginia firm, for office supplies that were never delivered. In return, Allen received car parts, a radio, a freezer and other gifts from the firm. Pardoned December 21, 2006)
Tony Dale Ashworth (1989 unlawful transfer of a firearm)[4]
Alan Dale Austin (1987 misapplication of mortgage funds)[6]
William L. Baker (1980 falsifying records)[1]
William Sidney Baldwin Sr. (1981 conspiracy to possess marijuana. Pardoned December 21, 2006)
Timothy Evans Barfield (1989 aiding and abetting false statements on a Small Business Administration loan application. Pardoned December 21, 2006)
Bruce Louis Bartos (1987 transportation of a machine gun in foreign commerce)[7]
George Francis Bauckham (1958 unlawful detention or delay of the mail by a postal employee)[1]
David Thomas Billmyer (1978 military conviction for making a false claim)[8]
James Allen Bodendieck, Sr. (1959 interstate transportation of a stolen vehicle)[9]
Clyde Philip Boudreaux (1975 military conviction for borrowing money from enlisted men, accepting a noninterest-bearing loan from a government contractor and signing and swearing to a false affidavit. Pardoned December 21, 2006)
Gene Armand Bridger (1963 Conspiracy to commit mail fraud, and mail fraud)[10]
Marie Georgette Ginette Briere (1982 possession of coc aine with intent to distribute)
Kenneth Charles Britt (1998 conspiracy to violate fish and wildlife laws)[1]
Jeffrey James Bruce (1994 possession of stolen mail)[9]
Charles Wayne Bryant (1962 theft of U.S. mail matter by employee)[9]
William Bruce Butt (1990 bank embezzlement))[1]
Carl E. Cantrell (1967 moonshining)[11]
Charles Winston Carter (1964 conspiracy to steal government property)[11]
Meredith Elizabeth Casares (1989 embezzlement of US Postal Service funds)[12]
Ronald William Cauley (1980 Misapplication of bank funds by an employee)[5]
Cathryn Iline Clasen-Gage (1992 Misprision of a felony)[10]
Thomas Kimble Collinsworth (1989 Receipt of a stolen motor vehicle that had been transported in interstate commerce)[10]
Charles Russell Cooper (1959 bootlegging) [6]
Anthony John Curreri (1976 Mail fraud) [13]
Morris F. Cranmer, Jr. (1988 Making materially false statements to a federally-insured institution)[10]
Dale C. Critz, Jr. (1989 making a false statement)
William Charles Davis (1983 income tax evasion)[8]
Randall Leece Deal (1960 and 1964 liquor laws)[4]
Paul Jude Donnici (September 23, 1993) Use of a telephone in the transmission of wagering information [14]
William Henry Eagle (1972 moonshining)[4]
Mark Alan Eberwine (1985 conspiracy to defraud the United States by impeding, impairing, and obstructing the assessment of taxes by the Internal Revenue Service and making false declarations to the grand jury. Pardoned December 21, 2006)
Rusty Lawrence Elliott (1991 Making counterfeit Federal Reserve notes)[10]
Robert Carter Eversole (1984 theft)[4]
Gerald Douglas Ficke (1992 money laundering)[12]
Harper James Finucan (1980 marijuana possession with intent to distribute)[11]
Kenneth Clifford Foner (1991 bank fraud)[4]
Anthony Americo Franchi (1983 tax evasion)
Colin Earl Francis (1993 accepting a kickback of about $9,000 for helping a vendor for United Technologies Corp.'s Sikorsky Aircraft division, where Francis worked at the time, land a contract. Pardoned December 21, 2006)
Victoria Diane Frost (1994 conspiracy to possess)[4]
William Grover Frye (1968 AWOL and 1973 sale of stolen car)[4]
Joseph Daniel Gavin (1979 military insubordination, drunkenness, threats, and other offenses) [6]
George Glenn (1956 accepting $50 bribe while in military)
Samuel Wattie Guerry (1984 food stamp fraud)[14]
Adam Wade Graham (1992 Conspiracy to deliver 10 or more grams of '___')[10]
Charles E. Hamilton (1989 mail fraud)[14]
Stanley Bernard Hamilton 1990 (money order fraud)[4]
Brianna Lea Haney (1991 failure to report monetary instruments)[7]
George Thomas Harley (1984 aiding and abetting the distribution of coc aine. Pardoned December 21, 2006)
Rufus Edward Harris (1963 Possession and selling tax-unpaid whiskey)[10]
Jesse Ray Harvey (1990 Property damage by use of explosives and destruction of an energy facility)[10]
David Custer Heaston (1988 false statement)[7]
Melodie Jean Hebert (1984 defrauding U.S. with false claims)[4]
Patricia Ann Hultman (1985 conspiracy to possess with intent to distribute and to distribute coc aine and other controlled substances. Pardoned December 21, 2006)
Bobby Frank Kay Sr. (1959 moonshining)[11]
James Ernest Kinard, Jr. (1984 fraudulent firearms dealer records)[4]
Richard Ardell Krueger (1979 mail fraud and 1980 and false statement on a loan application)[8]
Devin Timothy Kruse (1979 AWOL from Coast Guard)[4]
Margaret Ann Leggett (1981 false claims)
Raul Marin (1982 failure to appear in court) [6]
Larry Paul Lenius (1989 Conspiracy to distribute coc aine)[10]
Larry Lee Lopez (1985 Conspiracy to import marijuana)[10]
Bobbie Archie Maxwell (1962 Mailing a threatening letter)[10]
David B. McCall, Jr. (1997 False entry in bank books and aiding and abetting)[15]
Melvin L. McKee (1982 conspiracy to make false statements on a loan application)[11]
Charles McKinley, (1950 moonshining)[11]
Michael Mark McLaughlin (1983 mail fraud and conspiracy)[8]
Craven Wilford McLemore (1983 Conspiracy to defraud the United States and Caddo County) [13]
Denise Bitters Mendelkow (1981 Embezzlement by a bank employee)[10]
Michael Robert Moelter (1988 illegal gambling business)[7]
Billie Curtis Moore (1977 income tax evasion)[8]
Richard Arthur Morse (1963 transportation of a stolen vehicle)[12]
Gerard Murphy (1972 car theft)[4]
Kenneth Lynn Norris (1993 unlawful disposal of hazardous waste)[14]
Joseph Mathew Novak (1994 possession and transfer of an illegal weapon



posted on Oct, 13 2008 @ 12:12 PM
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PART 2

Eric William Olson (1984 military conviction for conspiracy to possess with intent to distribute, possession with intent to distribute, possession, and use of hashish. Pardoned December 21, 2006)
Donald Lee Pendergrass (1964 armed bank robbery)[11]
Fred Dale Pitzer (1976 transportation of falsely made securities)[12]
Charles Blurford Power (1948 transportation of a stolen vehicle)[11]
Michael John Pozorski (1988 Unlawful possession of an unregistered firearm)[10]
James Edward Reed (1975 marijuana possession with intent to distribute)[8]
Thomas R. Reece (1969 violating the Internal Revenue Code pertaining to alcohol. Pardoned December 21, 2006)
Cecil John Rhodes (1981 false statement on a loan application)[12]
John Louis Ribando (1976 and 1978 marijuana dealing)[4]
Larry Gene Ross (1989 making false statements in a bank loan application. Pardoned December 21, 2006)
Ernest Rudnet (1992 conspiracy to file false tax returns) [6]
Gary L. Saltzburg (1995 theft of government property) [6]
John Gregory Schillace (1988 conspiracy to possess coc aine for distribution)[11]
Russell Don Sell (1995 aiding and abetting a false statement on a loan application)[12]
Stephen Davis Simmons (1981 Possession of counterfeit obligations)[5]
Scott LaVerne Sparks (1989 theft of government property)[8]
Wendy St. Charles (1984 conspiracy to trade narcotics and coc aine distribution)[11]
David Lloyd St. Croix (1989 disposal of stolen explosives)[6]
Jearld David Swanner (1991 making false statements in a bank loan application. Pardoned December 21, 2006)
James Walter Taylor (1991 bank fraud. Pardoned December 21, 2006)
Johnson Heyward Tisdale (1994 food stamp fraud)[14]
Edward Rodriguez Trevino, Jr. (1997 theft, convicted in military court)[4]
Janet Theone Upton (1975 mail fraud. pardoned December 21, 2006)
Jerry Dean Walker (1989 coc aine distribution)[4]
Joseph William Warner (1995 arson on an Indian reservation)[6]
Mark Lewis Weber (1981 Selling Quaalude tablets, selling, using, and possessing marijuana )[10]
Roger Charles Weber (1969 Theft from an interstate shipment)[5]
Mariano Garza Caballero (1984 dealing in firearms without a license)[1]
Anthony C. Foglio aka Tony Foley(1996 distributing marijuana)[1]
Marvin Robert Foster (1968 making a false statement in connection with a Federal Housing Administration loan)[1]
Carl Harry Hachmeister (1985 conspiracy to commit wire and mail fraud)[1]
William Marcus McDonald (1984 Air Force court-martial for coc aine and marijuana charges)[1]
Robert Michael Milroy (1975 heroin importation)[1]
Jerry Lynn Moldenhauer (1994 selling migratory bird parts in violation of the Migratory Bird Treaty Act)[1]
Thomas Donald Moldenhauer (1994 selling migratory bird parts in violation of the Migratory Bird Treaty Act)[1]
Richard James Putney (1996 aiding and abetting the escape of a prisoner)[1]
Timothy Alfred Thone (1987 making a false statement to the Department of Housing and Urban Development to obtain a mortgage)[1]
Lonnie Edward Two Eagle Sr. (1976 misdemeanor simple assault on an Indian reservation)[1]
Jimmy Lee Williams (1995 false statements on a loan application)[11]
William Charles Jordan Jr. (1997 conspiracy to gamble regarding football)[16]
Jeffrey James Bruce (1994 possessing stolen mail)[16]
Jackie Ray Clayborn (1993 marijuana charges)[16]
John Fornaby (1991 conspiring to distribute coc aine)[16]
Melton Harrell (1976 stealing government property)[16]
Saul Kaplan (1992 violating the Federal Election Campaign Act)[16]
John F. McDermott (1995 receiving kickbacks in defense procurement contracts)[16]
William James Norman (1970 possessing and running an unregistered distillery that did not carry the proper signage and illegally produced alcoholic drinks made from mash)[16]
James Albert Bodendieck Sr.(1959 transporting a stolen vehicle across state lines)[16]
Glanus Terrell Osborne (1990 possessing a stolen motor vehicle)


S O U R C E


And no one named LIBBY yet

Dorian Soran

[edit on 13-10-2008 by Dorian Soran]



posted on Oct, 13 2008 @ 12:14 PM
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Here is a list of felons pardoned by President Clinton - This is all very interesting:


C L I N T O N P A R D O N S

Dorian Soran



posted on Oct, 13 2008 @ 12:14 PM
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Well, I don't know, but I'm sure the price will be a little higher than when Bill Clinton was selling pardons at the end of his term.



posted on Oct, 13 2008 @ 12:17 PM
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I would be willing to bet that GWB pardons this little gem of a guy.

George H. Ryan

Ahhhh. Illinois Politics!

Cuhail



posted on Oct, 13 2008 @ 12:17 PM
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Originally posted by Maxmars
reply to post by Dorian Soran
 

I suggest you read further regarding international drug trafficking, and it's documented ties to the US CIA.



I am VERY well aware of the drug trafficking and its ties to the USA CIA as well as other covert operations involving Noriega while on the CIA payroll - the CIA has NOTHING to do with the murders and human rights abuses in Panama and the money laundering in France - this man is NO politcal prisoner - he is a tyrant!

Dorian Soran



posted on Oct, 13 2008 @ 12:26 PM
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I do know what Noriega was convicted of but he did all of those things at our (America's) orders and directions to de-stabilize the influence of the USSR in that region, what ever it takes. I doubt that the full story will ever be told of how it all went down. I personally think Noriega is a scum-bag but he was our (America's) scum-bag doing what he was told to do until he got greedy and not a reliable agent to do our bidding effectively and that Panama was not going to be transshipment point for contraband of all types anymore. Is does seem that it was Political that Noriega did what he was told and was punished by the same persons that told him to do what it takes.

[edit on 13-10-2008 by scaicoscracker]



posted on Oct, 13 2008 @ 12:52 PM
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Originally posted by Dorian Soran
.... the CIA has NOTHING to do with the murders and human rights abuses in Panama and the money laundering in France - this man is NO politcal prisoner - he is a tyrant!

Dorian Soran


I do not like to pretend that he was 'caught'. Had he simply done what the US government wanted, he would likely still be in power today. Just like many leaders that ARE in power today that are similarly guilty of the same crimes as Noriega.

Noriega belongs in jail. But it wasn't justice that brought him there, it was those who held all the information of his wrongdoings for decades - who waited to prosecute him, when they were no longer assured of his 'cooperation'.

I can't attribute any realistic possibility to the notion that the CIA "had nothing to do with the murders and human rights abuses in Panama and the money laundering in France." The CIA has proved itself to be PRECISELY the kind of organization that engages in such activities. No different from the criminal organizations that MANY so-called civilized countries houses to carry out actions that their citizens would never approve knowingly.



posted on Oct, 13 2008 @ 09:51 PM
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Moonshiners? Possessing pot? Failure to appear in court?

Sounds serious.


As for Libby, from your source:



A commutation of sentence was granted on July 2, 2007 to:

* I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby (2007 perjury, obstruction of justice) (sentenced to 30 months plus 2 years supervised release, a fine of $250,000, and a special assessment of $400; sentence commuted to 2 years supervised release, a fine of $250,000, and a special assessment of $400) [17]



posted on Oct, 13 2008 @ 10:41 PM
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Ahhh notice from your very source COMMUTED but NOT pardoned.

That was the title of the thread so no pardon for Libby - just a commuted sentence.

Yeah - serious stuff with them moonshiners ey?



Dorian Soran



posted on Oct, 13 2008 @ 10:45 PM
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Pardons. Its interesting to note that W has issued like the fewest of any president of the US to this date.

Ill bet dollars to donuts that Cheney, Rumsfield, Scotter Libby et al all get one as a safety net.

Just my 2 cents worth

Edit to add: On the other hand he could go the bill and hillary route and seel pardons

[edit on 10/13/08 by FredT]



posted on Oct, 13 2008 @ 11:05 PM
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REPLY TO FREDT

I dont know about selling pardons...but I sure would like to buy a couple - never know what the future will hold and those would be a nice "STAY OUT PRISON FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE" card to play when you need it.

Wonder what the going price will be.....I have a '78 Pinto and some cedar siding...think the admin would work a trade?

Dorian Soran



posted on Oct, 14 2008 @ 03:26 AM
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What are Cheney and Rumsfeld charged with? I must have missed that.



posted on Oct, 15 2008 @ 06:08 PM
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Isn't it funny I can remember back in 72 or so the fbi confiscated 16 airplanes for drug running.Turns out they made a mistake as all 16 were CIA registered.
Hmm let me see now who was the director of the CIA.....Oh yes it was Manuels
buddy George Bush.Well I guess he knows to much, To bad no pardon for Manuel.



posted on Oct, 15 2008 @ 06:16 PM
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Originally posted by TheAvenger
Well, I don't know, but I'm sure the price will be a little higher than when Bill Clinton was selling pardons at the end of his term.


Well, of course the price is higher.

There is a recession going on!!



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