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reply posted on 14-10-2008 @ 02:08 PM by A55A551N

Originally posted by dave420
reply to post by Merriman Weir

In London you get guys all over the place with massive bags full of pirated DVDs, selling them on the streets. People buy them by the bucket-load.

Not so much anymore... Now they've hocked it down to only 2 for a tenner when it used to be 3?

I'd rather DL my own thanks. Not that I do. At all.

reply posted on 14-10-2008 @ 03:25 PM by logician magician

Originally posted by Merriman Weir

Originally posted by logician magician
I like the part where where you buy a DVD, and the guy tells you that the DVD is funding a terrorist movement.

... but you don't believe him.

Great stuff.

Whereas I like the part where you don't really grasp the idea of "internet piracy" and tell a story about how you bought a pirated DVD in a street market or a shop somewhere.

Great stuff.

Once upon a time, someone downloaded a movie from the internet, burned it, and sold it on the street to raise funds for terrorist operations.

How much do you really need to be spoon fed?

... for crying out loud.

reply posted on 14-10-2008 @ 03:34 PM by logician magician

Originally posted by Zepherian
reply to post by logician magician

I've been reading some of your posts on ATS and you never fail to post inane, silly disinformation. You must be preaching to the flouride victims...

While it's possible that some illegal DVD piracy could fund a criminal organisation, most of it just feeds poor people. Plus in this messed up world we have criminals defining what is criminal, so who cares? And, on top of that, we have, as has been mentioned, the irrelevance of the whole terrorism issue. You're more likely to be killed by lighting than terrorism. You're more likely to be killed by a poisonous animal. You're more likely to keel over an die spontaneously. So who cares about terrorism? It's a cultural schizm, exploited by powermongering elitist thugs to make people scared and pliable.

And along the line they pay people to post exactly the sort of twaddle on the internet you're coming up with. Wake up, you're not doing magic, just third grade illusionism.

Want to stop terrorism? Stop paying taxes.

lol, I don't know how to respond to that other than laugh.

It must be interesting to be so ignorant and so sheltered.

not.

reply posted on 14-10-2008 @ 03:41 PM by Merriman Weir

Originally posted by logician magician
Once upon a time, someone downloaded a movie from the internet, burned it, and sold it on the street to raise funds for terrorist operations.

How much do you really need to be spoon fed?

... for crying out loud.

But as has been pointed out, where do the internet copies come from initially? They come from genuine DVD releases or they come from preview copies. Or have you been buying screeners or something?

Why not blame chain stores for selling the DVDs in the first place or perhaps the postal service through which reviewers were sent their pre-release copies?

... for crying out loud.

reply posted on 14-10-2008 @ 05:07 PM by logician magician

reply posted on 14-10-2008 @ 07:29 PM by pexx421

I dont know. Id say zeph's point was pretty valid. Tobacco kills 400k a year, lifestyle choices (lazy, eating bad food, etc) kill 250k. Pharmeceutical drugs kill about 95k, Alcohol kills like 38k, and tylenol and nsaids kill 7k. Terrorism in the us kills how many? 50 a year? and in response we spend over 2 billion a month fighting that while nsaids (like tylenol and aspirin) kill 7k and get off scott free. And yes, we are the #1 state sponsor of terrorism, so denying taxes WOULD be fighting terrorism, or at least removing your support of it.

reply posted on 14-10-2008 @ 08:46 PM by Zepherian

reply to post by pexx421

Why thank you. As far as I can see the only problem is all that would be too logical. And where's the magic in that?

Terrorism, to any awake individual is a tiny insignificant problem, and that's just plain simple mathmatics, pure logic, available to anyone. I'm glad you see it also. Fighting terrorism on the other hand has killed millions. Which was the plan all along, so resounding success I guess. /sarcasm.

Humanity needs to outgrow fear based colective emotional reactions if we are ever going to grow up and take our place among the stars, because as it is now we're the planetary equivalent of a suicidal emo teen.

reply posted on 15-10-2008 @ 06:11 AM by Merriman Weir

Looking at that image again, what makes me laugh is that terrorists are such are serious problem and yet they're too politically correct to illustrate the line that our own government is spinning: "we're surrounded by dangerous Islamic terrorists with home-made explosives. They're all around us. It could be our neighbours!* They could be on the Tube! On the internet! In the supermarket queue! Panic! Panic! Panic!!!!1"

They're trying to engender fear of ethnic minorities in the public, but at the same time too frightened themselves to actually illustrate what they are selling as the largest terrorist threat.

If Muslims are the biggest terrorist threat we face, as the government claims, then let's have some consistency. Otherwise, let's drop the Islamic fundamentalists hiding under our beds scaremongering.

*actually not my neighbours as, being a government politician, I'm more likely to spend more time in a wealthy white area in the South East than an impoverished Northern area that has ghettos of disenfranchised young Muslims.

reply posted on 15-10-2008 @ 08:04 AM by noobfun

Originally posted by Merriman Weir
*actually not my neighbours as, being a government politician, I'm more likely to spend more time in a wealthy white area in the South East than an impoverished Northern area that has ghettos of disenfranchised young Muslims.

well we all know how sneaky dem der evil muslims are the goverment tells us enough, and with all the money they are making from selling DVD's they could be living near you and just pretending to be white upper/middle class

in the same way the white terrorist in the picture is actually a muslim extremist pretending to be IRA

reply posted on 15-10-2008 @ 09:48 AM by Zepherian

reply to post by Merriman Weir

Don't forget that new upcoming threat of white al quaida, all those terrorists that will be generated by mortgage foreclosures... The day of the terrorist ex-yuppie is upon us, fear! FEAR!!

So don't buy that DVD, it will almost certainly be used to buy C4 and blow up your precious bodily fluids...

...or maybe not.

reply posted on 15-10-2008 @ 10:00 AM by noobfun

yuppy extremists what a concept

forget combats and turbans/blaclava's like most normal terrorists

beware the pin stripe suits and bowler hats

the best dressed terrorists in town

reply posted on 16-10-2008 @ 01:39 PM by logician magician

Originally posted by NovusOrdoMundi
Man, that's a great business move by the terrorists. Considering not many people download movies illegally, and even less buy bootleg copies off of other people, they should be able to purchase a few rifles on their 50th year in business.

The pirate stalls actually put the legitimate video rental places out of business. The movie industry in the Philippines pulls in 6Billion Peso a year, and 70% of that is controlled by pirates.

That's over $90 million a year that in part finances terrorist groups like the MILF group.

The huge margins and minimal risk involved has also attracted organized crime. R E Kendal, former general secretary of Interpol, reckons counterfeiting is no longer a periphery criminal enterprise but a central activity to most underworld gangs. From Malaysian crime syndicates to Taiwan's notorious United Bamboo Group triad, criminal groups across Asia are busy counterfeiting. Not to be left out, terrorist groups have also been active in counterfeiting. A man killed by Philippine police in a raid on pirate compact-disc (CD) vendors last April was later identified as the son of an alleged Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF) commander, a terrorist group operating in the southern Philippines.

There's really no reason to be ignorant about this type of thing. I really can't understand why people like to walk around with blinders on and pretend this type of thing doesn't exist.

reply posted on 16-10-2008 @ 02:09 PM by logician magician

Originally posted by Zepherian
reply to post by pexx421

Terrorism, to any awake individual is a tiny insignificant problem, and that's just plain simple mathmatics, pure logic, available to anyone. I'm glad you see it also. Fighting terrorism on the other hand has killed millions. Which was the plan all along, so resounding success I guess. /sarcasm.

It's pretty easy to say you are "awake" yet ignore the problem when your country has the capability to detain and stop them. I think you're confusing awake with dreaming

Do a search of "Iligan bombings."and google will return accounts such as these:

At around 5 o'clock yesterday, August 17. 2008, two improvised explosive devices went off 20 minutes apart in two budget hotels in Iligan City.

..."The MILF mujahideen guerillas put up roadblocks and ambush positions at certain points of the national highway from Linamon to Kolambogan. These prevented government forces from Iligan City from entering the combat areas.

An NGO leader in Lanao del Norte disclosed to Luwaran that elements of the Philippine Army stationed in the embattled municipalities also refused to move against the Moro mujahideen guerillas. Apparently, military and police forces were initially taken by surprise: they were frozen stiff by the swiftness and suddenness of the raids that they were unable to respond quickly. "

was in Iligan when the two bombings occured and even saw the dead soldiers of the 5IB who were ambushed by the MILF in Lanao del Sur Sunday morning piled inside an army truck parked infront of the Iligan Sanitarium Hospital.. Based on my interview with two soldiers who were ambushed, the MILF was spread 500 meters long on the side of the road with high powered firearms. What is disappointing is that reinforcements arrived an hour or so late.

Police and military officials are eyeing the possible involvement of the Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF) into Thursday’s bombing that killed two people and injured 21 others in Zamboanga city.

The bombing came almost on the eve of a big anti-Balikatan rally by Muslim and Christian civil society organizations and. NGOs in Iligan City and Lanao del...

Back on Mindanao, Mendez remembers teaching a high school computer class two years ago when a loud explosion rocked the room.

Davao International Airport, about half a mile away, had been bombed.

Parents of three of his students and his girlfriend's uncle died in the blast. In all, terrorists killed 21 people and injured 148.

Still, Davao, about 220 miles northeast of Zamboanga, has a reputation as being one of the Philippines' safer cities.

"I don't think there was a scare in the city," Mendez says. "People say, ‘If you die, you die. If it's not your time to die, you won't.' "

Picture this, because this is how Iligan city was when I was there... it was basically under de-facto martial law and Muslims were being stopped and questioned about their activities because they get caught with bombs so often, and they are so ingrained in the area that the President is considering giving over a big chunk of land there to the MILF group in an attempt to "negotiate with terrorists."

The Philippine Marines and Army are constantly deployed on the streets, along with SWAT and other NBI (Philippine FBI) agents. Almost every store has hired security guards guarding the doors - even placed like fast food restaurants. There are usually two guys out front with shot guns, revolvers, and Military personnel with condition 1 weapons. If you walk into a mall or a store with any bags, they are checked.

I'm sure it's just all for show, to get oil from Iraq.