reply to post by Merriman Weir

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In London you get guys all over the place with massive bags full of pirated DVDs, selling them on the streets. People buy them by the bucket-load.

Exactly.

Most people's responses to terrorism is that terrorists are only selling or bartering with something dangerous.

So, when you have things, such as "piracy funds terrorism," people scoff, but it is true. They can get thousands of dollars from these DVDs. They make big money from these things, and it's easier to do this then something more dangerous.

reply to post by Mak Manto

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but the realism is its more likley to be organised crime then terrorists in terms of pirated software/dvd's or fake goods (at least in the west)

now you can try and link the 2 but the truth is once that money goes to organised crime they arnt really just gonna hand it over to terrorist organisations

reply to post by noobfun

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It's possible, but pirated media, such as DVDs, is not limited to the West.

If Al-Qaeda knew that they could make a load of money from selling DVDs of movies, such as the Dark Knight, they would.

Yeah, I do think organized crime is in on this, but I think it's also the same for terrorism.

reply to post by Mak Manto

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the point is THIS IS an English advert

thats an English phone code to call trading standards

www.fact-uk.org.uk...

www.fact-uk.org.uk...

both are from the group that the advert belongs too ... there seems a lot of chinese and caucasian males listed for islamic terrorist




[edit on 13/10/08 by noobfun]

Well, it's not as if I live in some provincial backwater; I live literally only a few miles from the Manchester city centre. Whilst I'm aware that these people exist, I've never seen anyone selling them and I've never, ever been offered any either. It's not like I look like look like a plain clothes copper or someone from trading standards either as I do get offered watches, DVD players, iPods and all manner of dodgy gear.

I'm quite happy to stand corrected regarding how frequent this occurs. However, these people could be selling these by the skip full, never mind the bucket load, the point remains: how is this "internet piracy", exactly?

Excacly my point.

In regards to "Internet Piracy" as a whole, to be honest, I can see the inital problem it causes the Music, Movie and Games Industy, however, they have brought it on themselfs for charging stupidly high prices for all these years.

Blank CDs cost what? About 5P to manufactor about 100.
Each CD is then burnt and sold for about £20 Each.

Do the Math.

Who's really ripping who off here? It's no wonder that more people now prefer to illigally download and file share their Media / Games.

However, in regard to funding Terroism, that is absolutley Bull#.
BinLaden dosen't stand in back-streets wearing a leather trenchcoat trying to push copies of the new Harry Potter Film.

hahah the basis of the thread is pointless anyways, for something to benefit terrorism there first has to be such a thing, as terrorism.

The only real terrorists in this world are those who have hi-jacked the US government. There was no 911, there was no 7/7, none of that as well as many other incidents that have been shoved down our throats even happened because of Ahkbar Majeed rahinder with a turban and a Qu'ran in his hand. They happened because the elite had to solidify their stranglehold on the world.

I like the part where where you buy a DVD, and the guy tells you that the DVD is funding a terrorist movement.

... but you don't believe him.

Great stuff.

ive got an idea even more horrifying. Buying SUV's and shopping at walmart supports BUSH!! Boycott gas and refuse taxation to deprive BUSH of money! Spread the word.

I hate to say it but it does fund terrorism a little not anywhere near as much as the drug trade and other things though.

Counterfeiting everything is a big business for certain "organisations" in Northern Ireland in fact if you happened to just be a wheeler dealer over here you would have to be very careful you don't tread on anyone's territory as that could work out very badly for you to say the least.

The amount of money compared to the drugs trade though is tiny and I have to be honest I can't picture any middle eastern terrorists funding themselves through it either it just wouldn't be worth their while.

While the trade exists I honestly don't think any terrorists would miss it it's only one of hundreds of sidelines and one of the least profitable.

Whereas I like the part where you don't really grasp the idea of "internet piracy" and tell a story about how you bought a pirated DVD in a street market or a shop somewhere.

Great stuff.

reply to post by logician magician

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I've been reading some of your posts on ATS and you never fail to post inane, silly disinformation. You must be preaching to the flouride victims...

While it's possible that some illegal DVD piracy could fund a criminal organisation, most of it just feeds poor people. Plus in this messed up world we have criminals defining what is criminal, so who cares? And, on top of that, we have, as has been mentioned, the irrelevance of the whole terrorism issue. You're more likely to be killed by lighting than terrorism. You're more likely to be killed by a poisonous animal. You're more likely to keel over an die spontaneously. So who cares about terrorism? It's a cultural schizm, exploited by powermongering elitist thugs to make people scared and pliable.

And along the line they pay people to post exactly the sort of twaddle on the internet you're coming up with. Wake up, you're not doing magic, just third grade illusionism.

Want to stop terrorism? Stop paying taxes.

ive just noticed somthing else about that advert


white male wearing a balaclava and carrying an m16
...... where have i seen those kinds of image before







wait so the whole point if the op and the accompanying advertisment goes as follow

dont download copyright material form the internet as the profits that it doesnt make go towards a terrorist organisation(the IRA) that has put down its weapons and are making political change their weapon of choice

note im keeping this in the strictest sense of what the op has said/shown


as for the rest of you .. the vast majority of terrorist groups are extremly small for the simple reason finance and extreme lack of it

and by terrorist im not incuding any form of anti goverment rebels such as the taliban farc or numerous other groups fighting in thier own country for thier own ideal of a futures

many rebel groups will use drugs as a way to fund them selves (especially south american/far eastern) but still the majority of counterfeit items no matter what type clothing perfume music films goes to organised crime

the triads, mafia, yakuza, russian mafia, chechen mafia, insert main crime syndicate of your country/choice

piracy fund criminal organisations and in many many cases actually helps fund the average guy too ... terrorism if its got lots of money and plenty of weapons you can almost always guarantee its got outside backing from a goverment somewhere not the top ten imdb.com listing for sale in the alley around the corner

Man, that's a great business move by the terrorists. Considering not many people download movies illegally, and even less buy bootleg copies off of other people, they should be able to purchase a few rifles on their 50th year in business.

I too shall do my part to fight terrorism and not purchase bootleg movies from terrorists.

reply to post by Merriman Weir

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First things first, I don't think this has anything to do with 'internet piracy', and I don't think piracy of any kind supports terrorism in any meaningful capacity.

Believe me when I say in certain poorer parts of London, you get people running up to you to sell you these things. They frequent car parks of shopping centres, and they are constantly selling.

The only reason these could possibly be called 'internet piracy' is the source of the videos is the internet.

If Al Qaida are making money off these DVDs, then that means they are being tracked, by the simple virtue that we have to know where the money is going to know to whom it is going. Which makes me call 'bollocks' to the whole claim, as they can simply follow the money and arrest every facet of Al Qaida that is profiting from this piracy.

That's my take on it too.



As I've said, I've no reason to doubt you and I'm sure it does happen but I'm wondering how common this is elsewhere in the country. I mentioned that I live in Manchester; it's hardly a provincial backwater and it's not as if I stick to Market Street or Picadilly when I'm in Manchester.



Possibly, certainly the case if someone is trying to sell 'screeners'. However, DVD rips tend to come from copies of genuine releases or leaked preview copies and the like, so whilst at some point the internet might be a part of the story in that they might get loaded up on to Usenet or torrented &c, the actual source isn't the internet. You might as well say HMV or film reviewers fund terrorism.



It's all bollocks and none of it stands-up to scrutiny. This is aimed at people with no real understanding of either the internet of even how pirating works.

Lets take it a step further. There are terrorists who probably own restaurants too, so buying FOOD supports terrorists. Im sure there are terrorists who drive taxi cabs, so riding in taxi cabs supports terrorists. Im sure that some terrorists practice medicine, and many obviously operate out of churches so going to church or the doctor supports terrorism. So, there you have it. Boycott doctors, churches, eating, and taking taxis and we should all be just fine.

I'm boycotting Specsavers. If those filthy anti-British opticians weren't enabling people to actually see these terrorist DVDs in the first place, this wouldn't be happening. Why aren't people doing something about this? I think the government need to look at who owns Specsavers. You always see a lot of Chinese people with glasses, don't you?

Ever noticed some taxi drivers have CDs and DVD dangling from their rear view mirrors? That's to let other taxi drivers know they have a CD or a DVD dangling from their rear view mirror. Why is the government allowing these terrorists on our roads?