I honestly had no idea that it was this bad

Originally posted by ezziboo
The fear that the USA will become a socialist or fascist entity should be trumped by the far more immediate threat of impending idiocracy.

You nailed it... I had same feelings but could not express them as succinctly.

Why would I care if I live in a society with socialized medicine, or lack thereof, if people in this country embrace brilliant logic like "barak hussein obama=terrorist coz his name sez so"

Palin has resorted to the lowest grade of voodoo in her recent speeches, simplifying things for people who found the above still too confusing: "it's the choice between good and bad... we know who the bad guys are!"

Why the people at McCain/Palin's rallies don't puke in disgust when somebody addresses them as a bunch of preschoolers, is beyond me.

you should care if you end up having socialized ANYTHING because once you start socializing areas its a domino effect, lest we end up like our ol friends who ALSO were ready for ANY change........and they got Hitler

reply to post by uberdave223


I'm with you.. I'm writing in Ron Paul, I hate to be a part of this mess..In my opinion this is exactly what 'they' want to happen...

Who are they? well, probably the world banking elite.

Incite everyone to be against everyone else, devide America build hate then when the shtf we can come in and take over.

There are better alternatives to these two candadites, it just saddens me that they don't get the coverage.

I think this is telling enough (source)

Obama:
Goldman Sachs $739,521 University of California $697,506 Harvard University $501,489 Citigroup Inc $492,548Google Inc $487,355 JPMorgan Chase & Co $475,112 National Amusements Inc $432,169 Microsoft Corp $429,656 UBS AG $419,550 Lehman Brothers $391,774 Wilmerhale Llp $383,024 Time Warner $375,063 Sidley Austin LLP $370,916 Skadden, Arps et al $360,409 Stanford University $341,399 Morgan Stanley $341,380 Latham & Watkins $328,879 Jones Day $309,960 University of Chicago $294,237 General Electric $290,584

McCain:
Merrill Lynch $349,170 Citigroup Inc $287,801 Morgan Stanley $249,377 Goldman Sachs $220,045 JPMorgan Chase & Co $206,392 AT&T Inc $183,663 Credit Suisse Group $175,503 PricewaterhouseCoopers $163,670 Blank Rome LLP $153,426US Government $152,118
US Army $150,470 Wachovia Corp $147,456 Greenberg Traurig LLP $145,737 UBS AG $141,365 Bank of America $133,975 FedEx Corp $121,904 Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher $120,246 US Dept of Defense $118,125 Lehman Brothers $115,707 Bear Stearns $108,000

Looks pretty obvious to me who's interest these guys are going to follow.
Apologies if this got a little OT - my point is I think the hate built up around these two parties is just a distraction.

Originally posted by Constitutional Scholar
reply to post by boaby_phet

 

Just because you dont "understand" racism doesn't make someone who holds unpopular opinions ignorant, dumb, stupid, etc etc.

Of course not. People with unpopular opinions can be very intelligent; just look at people in the various scientific fields that the Christian and Islamic fundimentalists have decided are fraudulant. On the other hand, people who adhere to racist beliefs are either stupid or mentally / emotionally challanged. I've lived in the South 51 of my 54 years and never met an intelligent racist yet.

reply to post by buddhasystem


Buddha and Ezzibo, I can absolutely see where you're coming from. But what you're arguing against is one of the fundamental tenets of democracy, no? There's always going to be a sizeable proportion of people who do not fully grasp every issue in the election properly. There are levels of ignorance - there isn't a neat divide between those, as it were, "in the know", and people who think Obama to be a terrorist because his name rhymes with Osama. The truth is most of us lie somewhere in between!

As Churchill put it - "democracy is the very worst form of government, except for all the others..."

LW

You have to feel for McCain, you really do.

While Palin is trying to link Obama to a terrorist, McCain is trying to dispel ignorance, whenever someone presents Obama as a terrorist.

McCain has specifically stated that Obama is a true American and not a terrorist, but some of his followers still choose to side with ignorance with the whole "the BS is the only difference between Obama and Osama," thing.

I don't think McCain knew what he was getting into when he chose Palin. The least he could do is have her stop with trying to portray Obama as a terrorist.

Originally posted by LoneWeasel
reply to post by buddhasystem

 

Buddha and Ezzibo, I can absolutely see where you're coming from. But what you're arguing against is one of the fundamental tenets of democracy, no? There's always going to be a sizeable proportion of people who do not fully grasp every issue in the election properly. There are levels of ignorance - there isn't a neat divide between those, as it were, "in the know", and people who think Obama to be a terrorist because his name rhymes with Osama. The truth is most of us lie somewhere in between!

Dear LW,

I can also see where you are coming from and I can't say I disagree with you totally on the point you just made. However, according to what I saw in the past 8 tragic years of the Republican presidency, the Republicans actually foster the dumbed-down view of the world in the population because it gives them more efficient means of mind and mass controls... Just look at the Pavlovian reaction that has been imprinted in a lot of people: "social medicine = prime evil", "Barack = terrorist", "Iraq=WMD", "Saddam=9/11", and obviously all of that association goes on without any intellectual analysis and much less critique.

None other than Palin mentioned as true -- the fictitious connection of 9/11 and Iraq just a few weeks ago, and trust me, it's just a part of everyday tactics.

It's not the duty of a politician to be directly responsible for tutoring each and every citizen in matters of politics and economy, but at the same time it's a crime to mislead and disinform to gain more control or votes. The results of that... are in the OP.

Have you ever stopped to wonder why some reps are responding like they do?

Could this commwnt have anything to do with it.

"I need you to go out and talk to your friends and talk to your neighbors. I want you to talk to them whether they are independent or whether they are Republican. I want you to argue with them and get in their face," he said.

You are my ambassadors. You guys are the ones who can make the case."

source

went from talk to argue to get in their face in a New York minute.

Fighting words?

A bunch of dumb idiotic rednecks...

It makes me sick seeing this kind of stuff.

Honestly, we should just purge all of these racist people so we could live in a better world.

wow name calling now? Im a redneck, born and raised. I grew up in Texas ranching and hunting, yes shooting guns and i have a concealed weapons permit. I also drive a truck and live in the country. I am about as country as it gets, but I also consider myself to be fairly intelligent and im not racist. I also work in corporate America. I wouldnt be so quick to name calling. Racism comes in all shapes and forms.

reply to post by Synyster


So you want to "purge" people just because they have opinions you disagree with?

Very American.....

I might sound ignorant, but I think there are some valid unanswered questions into Obama's past and he even raises the questions in his book. Yes, I have read it and yes I do still believe it is questionable.
However, I do not think McCain is the answer either.
I am 28 and of all 10 years I have been able to vote (and the 10 preceding I wish I could have) this is the oddest election I have ever witnessed.
If I walk into 7-11 and I have to pick an "Obama" or "McCain" coffee cup for my morning joe I just don't feel confident in what is happening in the election process.
And mind you, each candidate is still receiving campaigning money. Does that make any sense?
I know it is a scary day to face the questions and demand the answers, we might not like the truth. We could be lied to, I mean.. haven't we gotten used to being lied to already?
It's just sooo much easier to lay down on the bandwagon and wear our support button pretending that we are correct in our "conviction" for change.
Fact: He hasn't done one thing for Chicago but help contribute to the wall street bust by allowing under qualified citizens purchase homes they could not afford.

Fact: ACORN set up thousands of fake accounts in order to vote in Obamas favor in November.

Fact: Thousands of dollars came in to his campaign from terrorist countries in support of running for the most important office in our country.

I am not here to say vote McCain, I am not here to say Obama is horrible.

I am here to say the 2-party system is crap.
Time to look at 3rd party candidates, and if you ever supported Ron Paul he has made his endorsement for his 3rd party pick.
Restore our constitution.
Put a product behind our money.
Bring our jobs and our soliders back home.
RESTORE OUR FOREIGN POLICY.

Stop blaming everyone but yourself.

Well maybe Obama has himself to blame for the animosity from Small Town USA:

"And it's not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations," Obama said.

blog.christianitytoday.com...

reply to post by dbates


The monkey comments are not fair game. Calling a black person a monkey is a well-established racial slur, and saying it's okay by comparing it to the trend of referring to George W as a monkey in order to insult his intelligence is an argument that just doesn't hold water.

And please: "The accusation of racist insinuates that you believe that blacks resemble monkeys and you don't like others pointing it out. " Seriously? What kind of demented twist of logic is that? Who did you pay off to earn Super Moderator status?

reply to post by Karlhungis

Originally posted by Karlhungis
LOL, go tell that to this guy or any other racist.
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The guy in the picture looks like he could be black.

Just sayin'.