Originally posted by question_reality
theres another that was missed...PSD, presidential security detail.

My old clearance, TOP SECRET-SIOP/ESI also seemed to be missing from the list. Maybe they've changed over the years.

What about (NOC) I did not see that one up there.

Originally posted by Nohup

Originally posted by question_reality
theres another that was missed...PSD, presidential security detail.

My old clearance, TOP SECRET-SIOP/ESI also seemed to be missing from the list. Maybe they've changed over the years.

what were you psychological operations?

SIOP / ESI stands for "Single Integrated Operation Plan / Exceptionally Sensitive Information".

In other word, pre-canned war plans.

Nice list, if a bit basic.
It can go really deep, and several pages long if you go into subsets, nested subsets, and "special circumstances".
It's no wonder the agencies can't find their ***** with both hands when you get into the complexity of security clearances---agency-department-project-project department-project departmentalisation subset working groups-etc ad infatum.
Not to mention supervisory compartments needing specific communication authorisation within,around and through, and "special curcumstances" where one needs a one off bit from another subset of working group.

I'll bet the authorisation for some bits of a supposed reverse engineering program from 1945 are just being delivered to the requesters 25 years after they died.

Acronym Definition

TS-RD ~ Top Secret/Restricted Data


TS/C ~ TS/C Top Secret/Collateral


TS/SBI ~ Top Secret/Special Background Investigation


TS/SCI ~ Top Secret - Sensitive Compartmented Information

TS/SI ~ Top Secret/Sensitive Information
TS/SI ~ Top Secret/Special Intelligence


TS/SSBI ~ Top Secret/Single Scope Background Investigation

Here is what I would like to know -

TS/TK ~ ? Top Secret

TI Advisory Group ~ ?

(S) SPECIAL DISTIBUTION CAT(K)

(S) SIMBER-GRAY VICTOR DIVISION

(TS/RD) LANL/DIVISION-Z10

EXEMPTION (M)

i dont know if any one already posted this...(i honestly skipped like 6 pages)...but technically there's only three types of clearences.....

confidential
secret
top-secret

everything else is just the "need to know" tacked onto the end...

Are any of these clearances China proof?

I'm hoping most are but something tells me this may not be the case.

What does China proof mean? There is no chance in hell that anyone can hack into the Secret or Top Secret networks that the military uses. You do realize that there are 2 totally independent networks used to transmit strictly classified information? They are pretty much impossible to get into unless they want you to be there.....trust me. it took me about 3 months to get all set up, and Im supposed to be on it.

Originally posted by StarChild

Originally posted by ilovepizza
What computer program would be so secret that only 3 people can access it in the world? I know you were just using it as an example but would something really be that secret that only 3 people could access it?

Yes. There is things out there that are "limited" to as few people as possible. There are things out there so secret that no one can know about them.

Mr. M

of no one can know about them they may as well do not even exist, why bother? lol

Yes pokeyjoe there are to but inhackable. bull spit. There are these little people called CTNs in the navy and all they to is test the militaries netowrk security

Originally posted by SilntShdw
Yes pokeyjoe there are to but inhackable. bull spit. There are these little people called CTNs in the navy and all they to is test the militaries netowrk security

Ok....and there are Network Warfare Squadrons in the Air Force. Whats your point?

You said they are inhackable but if these people can do it why couldn't someone with enough network experience and basic knowledge of these Military networks hack them

There have been several comments concerning SIOP-ESI. The only one to get it right has been mbkennel. It is a TS extender and stands for Single Integrated Operations Plan-Extremely Sensitive Information. The SIOP is/was a part of the EWO (Emergency War Order) and does concern nuclear war plans. I carried this clearance while assigned to 8th Air Force, 43rd Strategic Wing. We had access to the DGZ (Desired Ground Zero) List and conducted revisions to the SIOP. We were also members of the Air Force HRP (Human Reliability Program). When separated from the service we were subject to a 5 to 7 year Duty and Travel Restriction. Hope this clears the air.

I have an interesting question to pose... So, our commander in chief would obviously have a top secret clearance, but does his need to know extend to all classified information? Would anyone with direct control of any classified material be able to restrict the president's access based on his "need to know"?

The reason I ask this is that I've always wondered if the president could jump in Air Force One, fly to Groom Lake and say, "Show me every room in this facility and open every file cabinet". Can anyone say no to him based on "need to know"?

I'm sure there are tons of black world projects that the president has absolutely no direct knowledge of.

Logan