Possibly the "SADDEST" documentary ever made...., page 9
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reply posted on 13-10-2008 @ 02:32 AM by DaGreatOz
Originally posted by ghaleon12
Who cares about animals, we have humans that are dieing and being abused. That's a little more concerning for me. Tears are wasted on animals, once we can help all humans, then we can worry about the animals.


Tears aren't wasted on animals, which includes humans. Humans have a responsibility of stewardship for the world, and the animals, including other humans, that inhabit it because we have the power to literally shape the world around us. We can't help all humans, until we can help all animals. How are you going to help that human that needs to eat, have something to wear, someplace to live, or medical care? Throw money at them? So they can go get animal parts to eat, animal parts to wear, plant parts to live in, and medicine made from plant parts that were tested first on animals. I don't see any reason to mistreat an animal before we eat it, wear it, or benefit from medical experimentation. That's just cruel, and there's no reason for excessive or wanton cruelty. It's enough that we kill the animals (food, hides), harvest from them (eggs, hair), and change them through selective breeding until they are unable to function in the wild (pets, fur animals) without going through the excess of making them suffer in the process.

As far as human suffering, in and of itself goes, we are at the top of the food chain in so many ways. We hunt animals unfairly with guns and bows, then brag that we got that big kill. We are all predators, and the real challenge is to pit ourselves against other big predators... which are other humans. We do it with guns, social pressures, money differences, personal combat ranging from outright violence to mental cruelty. That's just the way of the world. I shed less tears for humans because, for the large part, we bring it on ourselves.

Animals do what they do to survive, we do what we do to survive, and there are times we do that in ways that are just outright cruel. We feed on their flesh to sustain our bodies, walk around in their hides to protect our bodies, and some of us feed our black souls on the cruelty we can inflict for the thrill of it for the baser humans. Anyone who thinks they are insulated from it are either delusional, or have dark hearts.

I eat meat, I wear hide, but I make the conscious choice to use animal parts that were not taken in cruel conditions where possible.


reply posted on 13-10-2008 @ 02:47 AM by Unlimitedpossibilities
reply to post by silo13



You should watch at least ten minutes of it.

Plus, you make it sound so simple. Well, that's just my opinion of course, but I think the "trickle" down effect would not happen according to your argument.


reply posted on 13-10-2008 @ 03:38 AM by BluegrassRevolutionary
reply to post by LostChildrenOfBabylon



Well fellow humans, our fate is written on the wall with the blood and feces of the other animals that inhabit the earth. After watching this video I have no doubt that the human species will bring about its own destruction through its cruelty toward the animal kingdom. Super viruses are are growing as we speak. Mother nature is right now trying hard to correct its greatest mistake, mankind.

You know, I had a though while watching this video. We should never again use the term "inhuman," humans are capable of anything. The term has no place in our society. It is an oxymoron. Instead, the next time you see some deplorable act, be it murder, rape, genocide, or any other form of cruelty, you should say, "how very HUMAN of them."


reply posted on 13-10-2008 @ 04:49 AM by Cythraul
Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
This has been my view for a very long time. I think if you can hunt any meat then you aren't guilty. I hunt rabbits, pigeons and deer. Even if i buy a shrink wrapped chicken i can still say i'm able to kill, prepare and eat my own meat and so i think i'm perfectly fine.

Always glad to hear that. I won't eat meat or dairy again until I know I can kill, farm and prepare it myself.

Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
I have to ask everyone here however what the alternatives are? Because the sad fact is that without certain forms of farming (like battery farming chickens) we wouldn't be able to feed the world.

For me, that's just another case in point for the world being overpopulated. I laugh when people harp on about how much empty space there is on the planet, forgetting that overpopulation isn't just about perceivable room but about the ability of land to feed its people in a wholly natural way. If it's a choice between depopulation or factory farming, I'd rather see the population decreased.

Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
For those who are saying we could stop eating meat and instead feed the wheat to people, well you would be removing protein from the diets of all those people. So then you'd have to grow more bean crops and that would lead to even more deforestation. So the arguement that we can just feed grain to people is rather flawed.

Actually it takes far more land (and deforestation) to farm a pound of beef than to grow a pound of plant-based food.


reply posted on 13-10-2008 @ 05:00 AM by deathpoet69
reply to post by Sonya610



first time i have to agree with you.

Every living being deserves to live


reply posted on 13-10-2008 @ 05:03 AM by ImaginaryReality1984
Originally posted by Cythraul
Always glad to hear that. I won't eat meat or dairy again until I know I can kill, farm and prepare it myself.


Well i respect that choice for those reasons.

Originally posted by Cythraul
For me, that's just another case in point for the world being overpopulated. I laugh when people harp on about how much empty space there is on the planet, forgetting that overpopulation isn't just about perceivable room but about the ability of land to feed its people in a wholly natural way. If it's a choice between depopulation or factory farming, I'd rather see the population decreased.


That's what i've argued for years, in fact i made a whole thread on it. It's logical that the world can only support so many people. However that's maybe going off topic

Originally posted by Cythraul
Actually it takes far more land (and deforestation) to farm a pound of beef than to grow a pound of plant-based food.


Correct but that wasn't my point. Farming more beans and such things with an increasing population will result in more and more pesticides, fertilizers, cutting down of everything. In the end either way is going to require more land. Again though we're maybe going off topic.

The OP's video is far to biased to even hope of representing the farming industry. I have been to a lot of farms and have never seen such conditions. The video makes out animals who have been bled and bolted are concious and yet it's just a nervous spasm, a kick from the brain.

Hey what if i went out, if i had a camera, and farmed all teh good farms. Fluffy chicks running around fields, pigs galloping through wooded areas, deer leaping through fields. Would this represent the farming industry? No it wouldn't, it would be biased.

so to say that that video represents the industry standards is ludicrous. The ONLY thing i agre with in that video is the kosher meat methods. I've seen them before and i dislike the practice.


reply posted on 13-10-2008 @ 05:36 AM by deathpoet69
reply to post by Cythraul



agreed. it should be more humane than this, why do they cut throats mostly for?
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