Originally posted by ghaleon12
A cow can't tell the difference between a knife going into its throat or a wolf ripping its jugular.

You know this how, because that is what everyone told you when you were a kid to make you feel better as you beheaded a fish? Is that how you know this? That's kind of like when you cut a chicken's head off and it's body runs around and someone says, "Oh, don't worry, that's just it's nerves." Bull#.

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Originally posted by pavil

Originally posted by Constitutional Scholar
Humans are in fact a cancer. Wherever they go, they bring destruction with them. Very few of us take the necessary steps to preserve the ecosystem, and I can honestly say a major depopulating event is definitely needed. 6.5 billion people on the planet now, I say lets wipe out 6 billion of them by whatever means necessary.

Wow, talk about self loathing. Are you one of those 6 billion or one of the .5 Billion carrying that mass killing out? Just curious.

I always find the dichotomy of animal rights activists to be rather amusing. Save the chicken, but go ahead and wipe out the majority of the human race by whatever means necessary.

To be honest, your ilk scare me more than any hunter or butcher or animal tester.


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Wow. Good job Pavil! I must have missed that guys post. NWO advocate much?

there is nothing wrong with animals... I love animals..... there delicious..

I am not trained as a doctor, however I have an interest in Neurology due my studies on Artifficial Intelligence (it was a must to study how the brain works) . Well, bad news but yes- people can loose the capacity for affection in certain brain injuries. Do they loose the soul accoring to you ?
and as someone mentioned - a dog jumpes in the water to save a kid - is that not a form of moral value?



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Originally posted by Heavens_Tears
its about how animals are treated before they are killed for the meat on our tables, trust me watch this & you will not eat meat again.

Right. Presume much?

I'm about to watch it as I type. But nothing will keep me from the love of eating animals, I can guarantee ya.

And oh, bitter psychological and sarcastic platitudes will not work on me so don't bother. Okay?

Originally posted by sty
and as someone mentioned - a dog jumpes in the water to save a kid - is that not a form of moral value?

Unlikely, more probable it is an instinct as the dog would probably do the same to a pup in the water, human families are an extension of the Pack to a dog. You may be right, but I think my reasoning is more plausible.

However the Gorilla or Chimp that protects and comforts the injured human child is probably aware that it is not of the same species but senses a kindred relative. They are also capable of really communicating with humans via sign language.

Saying that, Chimps aren't above hunting and killing rival Chimp groups and eating their young. Too close to being human I guess................

The video is not an enjoyable experience. It is an informative expose, stomach-churning, and rouses anger because of the inherent spark of empathy for life, and truly, rightly so.

If we are unable to tender empathy towards members of the animal kingdom, how are we to tender the same towards members of our own species? If we are able to cut ourselves off from the interconnection of the manifestation of consciousness - a state of condition which we share with the animal kingdom - then it should lead us to no surprise that we can display and effect the cruelty we see visited upon our own species.

There is no argument, no justification, for the perceptions unempathetic to the holocaust played out daily upon the mammals designated to be food for our guts, designated to be entertainment for our amusement, designated to be the testing bodies for our cosmetics and medicines. The barbaric treatment meted out upon animals arises from the same self-serving ego-centric nucleus that enables man to disconnect himself from his fellow man, and treat him just as barbarous.

Through irrational rationales, we psychologically inure ourselves to the viscereal sights and sounds of our violence upon ourselves and the animal kingdom. We can be better than this, and ought to be. We have the wit and the technology to decease from farming animals for both food and clothing. We have the wit and the philosophy to decease from treating each other as being alien and different, and pursuing those differences as justification for the elimination of one over the other. Our treatment of animals is central and foundationally diagnostic to the problems that we beset ourselves with, because the violence and the cruelty we visit upon them, stems from the same instincts as those we visit on ourselves. They are symptoms of disconnection from our humanity, and until we find a way to reconnect with it, we deserve the pain and suffering in which we are drowning of our own choosing.

Originally posted by philjwolf
could you be more specific ????? I dont understand that comment... they do everything we do .. ??

1) Animals Procreate
2) Animals Eat
3) Animals Feel Pain
4) Animals Feel Lonely
5) Animals Get excited
6) Animals Understand loss
7) Animals Seek shelter & food
8) Animals Progress and evolve
9) Animals sweat and have pretty much the same bodily functions we do
10) Animals show/exhibit various different emotions

there's 10 I could think of off the top of my head.

Originally posted by ghaleon12
Who cares about animals, we have humans that are dieing and being abused. That's a little more concerning for me. Tears are wasted on animals, once we can help all humans, then we can worry about the animals.

I stopped reading the thread after I read the above post. I had to post my reply to this statement, and after doing so I will go back and read through the whole thread. If this has already been said then I apologize for parroting someone else and simply taking up space....


That statement, to me, is one of the most ignorant, obnoxious, unintelligent statements that any one person can make.

Allow me to explain to you why you should care about the animals......

They are living beings too. They feel pain just like you do. Ever step on a cats tail by accident? It cries out in pain. Ever see a dog get hit by a car? It cries out in pain, it may drag itself off the road in an attempt to get out of the road (just like you would if the impact did not kill you or knock you out) and it will struggle till it dies, much like I imagine you or I would.

It is not all about respecting "people". To truly respect humanity and care for one another. The first thing you must do is respect life. If you can not respect the life of another living being, how will you respect the life of another human being? You won't. You will always get stuck on the petty differences between you. Just like your opinion gets stuck on the difference between species. Human/Human...Human/Animal... it does not matter. It is LIFE.

Your video, while very saddening and convincing sets of my Ignorance alarm, I realize that this video is mainly appealing to my Pathos. As I am sure many posters have already said, Humans must live, regardless of the scale of slaughter, it makes no difference whether one cow or dolphin is killed or thousands, people are still being fed.