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Originally posted by checkitb4uwreckit
obviously we have to kill animals for food or else humans wouldnt survive, but humans have done some despicable things to animals just to save a buck and its disgusting. We have to respect animals because we could not survive without them and we have to realize this and treat them well. We should find the most efficient, cleanest, most painless ways possible when killing animals for food I think it is the least we as humans could do to respect nature and what it provides for us. The native Indians have already figured this out.
Originally posted by Daedalus24
reply to post by rickyrrr
Nature isn't cruel.
An animal (humans exempt) never kills for pleasure or fun, and only kills for need. Take for example, a large wild cat, like a lioness (because male lions don't hunt) or a cheetah. They hunt for their prey and go straight for the neck. They ensure they have a complete kill and nothing less, and their efficiency and lethality make the methods we use in our slaughter houses look primitive.
They don't subject their prey to conditions we subject our "food" to. Not even close. Let me put it in this way; death by cheetah is much more humane than death in a slaughter house, and why is that? Because a cheetah will snap your neck and you're pretty much done when that happens, pain-free. In contrast, in a slaughter house you'd be shot at the base of the skull and you won't always die from that. Then your throat will be slit, you will bleed and you're still alive. While this is all happening, nerves will shoot out electrical impulses to your brain and that will manifest itself as pain.
Heck, even spider has the decency to numb it's prey with its venom before it gets eaten.
So, don't even compare our ways of slaughtering animals to nature's way.
Originally posted by uberdave223
Edit to add: In reference to the poster two posts above me (maus) and the people you know who don't eat meat. The reason I said VIABLE alternative to including meat in our diet, is both practical (nutrients, etc that are rare or nonexistant in plants) and monetary (vegan diets are more expensive). I'm pretty damn poor right now, so am curious about your vegan friends. Are they 100% meat-free? What is their income level? I'm not asking to debunk you! I'm asking because more information would help others seeking to find a way to bring in a little balance.
Originally posted by Frontkjemper
reply to post by Unlimitedpossibilities
Ah, sorry about that.
What I meant is this:
The Chinese kill dogs, cats for cheap meat, cheap hide to sell in cheap purses/wallets/shoes etc. Often skinned alive.
America (and many other countries) put pets to sleep by the usage of gas chambers, as it said in the documentary, it takes 20 minutes to die. Painfully. Just to save a few dollars.
We as humans, often leave our faithful and loving pets behind, because we either don't want them anymore, they become a hassle or because we go broke. These animals end up on the street, live a hard and often painful life.
We as humans pump cattle and sows full of chemicals, to make them grow big and juicy. So big at times, their legs break from underneith them because they can't hold up the weight.
Just so we then can sell the beef at a higher quantity / price while keeping costs down.
We slit their throats while alive, just to drain their blood, because it's cheaper that way. (And in some religions, it's law.)
We don't transport a lot of the animals we use as food humanely. They often fall over each other, breaking limbs, then cattle prodded to move out of the truck to the slaughter.
My bottom point is, we do whatever it takes, to keep costs down, despite knowing that we are causing another living breathing entity great discomfort and pain.
Originally posted by philjwolf
A true animal lover.. would not even consider having a pet of any kind... its just another form of slavery... the worst offenders are horse ..dog.. and cat.. owners..
Originally posted by maus80
Since you asked, a few more examples:
A veggie sub, a bag of chips, and a green tea for lunch. I can make this at home, and it's very affordable.
Deep-fried zucchini, macaroni with diced tomatoes, a veggie burger, potato chips, and iced tea feels really self indulgent. This is also a very affordable meal, well under $10 to feed an average family.
Am I making my point? There are plenty of ways to save money by eliminating meat, and for as long as I've been shopping bags of frozen vegetables have been between $1-$2
The notion that it's more expensive to be a vegetarian is bunk. The notion that it's more expensive to eat healthy is also complete nonsense.
Skinning animals while they are still alive.
Originally posted by Torsten
The truth is: we need to take care of our own problems before we focus on the problems of others. We need to "solve" the human condition before we tackle inter-species relationships as we are obviously on the road to ruin. The good thing is, however, if we "cure" ourselves, the treatment of animals and etc. will naturally follow. It's like medicine. If one has a fever caused by a bacterial infection there is generally two options: treat the symptoms or the underlying cause. If one treats the fever, you feel better for a time but eventually the fever will re-emerge, or a worse symptom will take its place. If one treats the cause, however, all is well. No more strife.
Originally posted by Unlimitedpossibilities
Take out the deep fried part, and that sounds yummy.
The natural and organic food stores near me have many vegan products. Although, quite expensive, its well worth it.