Possibly the "SADDEST" documentary ever made....

I watched the whole thing, just because there were a few slaughter methods I wasnt aware of. I personally dont care for fur and dont understand why people wear it. I was laughing so hard when the elephants were owning people. We need a video calls "when elephants attack".

A lot of the video is propaganda, most rodeos dont do what was shown. I grew up going to them. Ive worked in a lot of places shown in the video.
And its not true that animal testing has no benifit. I mean plain science proves otherwise. Whaling is outlawed pretty much everywhere too.

Most slaughter house animals are knocked out. A friend worked at a big slaughter house and he said one didnt go out on the first punch about every 2 to 3 days and they hit them again. Some places may have new or crappy workers so I dunno about those. But they are supposed to be knocked out.

I dont eat pork, its nasty and filthy. If you eat it you deserve the diseases you get. Also I wouldnt be a vegetarian if I saw this stuff. Infact Id prefer to hunt and kill my own food. Id be eating deer mainly. Rabbits too.
Maybe an occasional squirrel. The video has to much propaganda in it, it needed to be sized down with less talk and more show.

Once again the elephants were awsome!

Funny stuff seeing people get trampled, maybe thats just me.

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Originally posted by ashamedamerican
For the first time in my life I actually HOPE that the NWO really does reduce the population of this planet greatly, look what we are doing to the world around us.

Wow, dude. Really? I will be frank, the vast bulk of WE are NOT doing it. The ones that ARE...heh...are mostly the NWO! Looking for a money profit. Placing their greed above respect for the world around them.

Geez, how insensitive are you?

To any vegos who felt depressed by this, at least take some comfort that it is not in your name. An estimated 7% of the world population is vego, with more people waking up and taking responsibility every day, and they are (of course) the best and brightest people you can meet! I encourage other vegos to meet & socialise with each other & feel free to add me as a friend

You might be interested in yet another fact about the meat industry;
It ruins the climate, if you'd prefer the planet to stay habitable as long as possible, you should consider becoming vegan.

The way animals are treated is nothing short of disgusting. I saw a documentary on the social behaviour of mountain gorillas last week and at one point the narrator introduced a place as the "place with the highest population density of mountain gorillas in the world." There were 500 mountain gorillas in this place. Such a fact made me sick to my stomach, these great beasts, who are so similar to us, although far less destructive number only in the thousands, whereas humans, the leeches of the world number in the billions.

If humans were not on the earth, then the world would be a place of harmony, ecosystems work perfectly and control themselves, until humans get involved.

I see people here condemning others for valuing the lives of animals above other humans, whilst I dont agree animals are more important, It is easy to see why some people take this view. The condemning side are the sort of people that make it difficult to be happy as human. The sheer arrogance of such people makes my blood boil. In their view, they are more important than animals, their view of course is based on their own narrow minded views and opinions, there is no reason whatsoever to think humans are more important than animals, if anything we are less important. Animals would be a downsight better off without us around, whereas we, with current attitudes would struggle very much without animals.

The small number of animals saved by humans are usually saved from a problem caused by man in the first place. All life is equal, there is no justification for stating otherwise. Yes I would stand with man in a man vs animal war, because all animal species favour their own kind when it comes down to survival, but we all know that would never happen. At the moment the only wars are humans vs humans or humans vs the world.

People kill billions of animals every year, because of greed and the worst reason of all - inconvenience. So many people kill animals purely for a minor inconvenience they have caused them, its ridiculous. Anyway I am ranting as per usual. I very much believe animals deserve as much respect as humans, but they do not deserve more. What gives anyone or anything the right to believe they are better than anyone or anything else?

It is true that animals are abused by some humans but condemning all for that acts of some is not a solution.

Given the heirarchical nature of the universe, to whom do humans provide food, entertainment, and experiment?

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Your right, whats wrong with people they would rather defend cows then defend starving kids with aids. Thats why were going to hell in a hand basket.

Bottom line is people are animals. Some more than others.

This is NOT standard practice. Well, Hacking off shark fins is, which is to me one of thye worst things ,because its a waste of the rest of the shark, which could be used as food. But it's not affordable tocarry the shark meat, when shark fin soup sells for 1000's of dollars a bowl.

Some animals naturally are cruel as well. Have you ever seen killer whales ,whichare actually dolphins(Ithink), and supposedly very intelligent, torturethier kills. Batting seals around back and forth and tossing them around.

Or killing a sperm whal baby, while the mother desperately tries to protect it over hours and hours until she is too exhausted? It's a cruel, cruel world.

Some poeple,and some animals are just twisted.

People do all the stuff seen in this video to other human beings.

It's just a small percentage of people who do twisted stuff, and they should be put away, or stomped to death, or have their hands hacked off and tossed in the open sea imo.

In the end there is this wonderful thing called Karma though. The universe is balanced, and all will be right, in the end. I believe that. So think carefully before you kill for sport (if your gonna eat it, fine), or club baby seals, or whatever else you twisted people do.

Originally posted by Cythraul
I don't quite understand how it does. Care to elaborate?

I did elaborate in my post, please re read it.

Originally posted by Cythraul
There's a big difference between killing an animal in an efficient, natural manner and taking joy in bashing it over the head for several minutes with a blunt object whilst laughing or grinning with joy. Animal predators kill through necessity in an efficient, evolved way. Humans SHOULD do the same. Our issue is with those skinning animals alive, kosher and halal methods, seal-clubbing, fox-hunting... basically - sadism.

Most animals are killed humanely. The bolt gun kils instantly. This video claimed to show animals who had been bolted and were still thinking, but they are missing the anatomy. After being bolted some animals will be completely still whereas some will jerk and kick, ths is the brain backfiring or random nerves kicking out. You can completely destroy the brain and animals will still jerk and kick.

However i will completely agree with you on kosher and halal methods of killing, i find them cruel and abhorent. Seal clubbing is also something i don't agree with along with fox hunting, if you mean hunting with dogs. Fox hunting with a rifle is of course fine.

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I cannot disagree with you on that one. People who hurt animals for the joy of it are in my opinion very disturbed individuals. By the way, cats often kill for the fun of hunting. Still, I do not bring up animals killing animals as a justification for humans to do it. It is messed up no matter who does it, but mostly to us humans who have a "conscience" or a central nervous system capable of coming in conflict with itself. And we are very good at "resolving" those conflicts by compartmentalizing animal exploitation away from other human activity.

In other words, just because most of us buy our animal parts "pre-killed" does not make us much better morally.

I can't judge, because I eat meat and enjoy the products of animal exploitation. I quite enjoy been at the top of the food chain.

It would be best if I was unaware of all the negative consequences of my choices, then I'd be a normal guy driving a hybrid SUV so that I can waste energy while feeling good about it. The result of being aware of all of this is that one is miserable.

Then again, most psychotherapist agree that pessimists are often simply better informed optimists.

-rrr

Im not some sort of mad hippy type or anything, but I do think animals should be treated better than they currently are.

Sure we've always killed animals to eat, and animals kill other animals to eat, etc. Im fine with that.

What I dont like is how theyre often treated like inanimate, the poor things still "feel pain" and some of the more intelligent animals should definitely be given more respect.

Look at dogs, sure they can be a bit on the stupid side but they are "aware" of whats going on , they have the ability to empathise with others for instance - thats more than a lot of humans ive met...

This is actually the saddest thing I've seen. But I do not agree that humanity should be wiped off the earth. I do understand the anger is pulls out. But I will do my best to make a difference, to makes it better for as many as I can help.

I will continue to meat though, I can't help it, I dislike many vegetables although I'm giving some a try.

I don't support many of those events that is mentioned in this video and I hope I make a difference. I do like going fishing, it is fun and fish is good to eat.


There's no reason for all of this torture. We can all eat meat like our ancestors have, but there is just no sense in torturing them. Even if they are gonna die, at least a proper knife to the throat will do it like a lions teeth to the neck. Not bash the hell out of them and use multiple methods of killing them. Very shameful and disrespectful to life.

nasty video...very sad to see how we treat animals. However we treat even humans even worse and before we can live on as a species we need to fix ourselves and our relationship towards each other.

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Who cares about animals, we have humans that are dieing and being abused.

And what the hell do you think you are? There is suddenly one animal I don't care about, and it's you!

I have not watched this video, but I saw a National Geographic special dealing with how elephants are "trained" by a northern Thailand tribe, and was literally sick for days. Young elephants were removed from their mothers and put through a long ordeal called "the crush." Many did not survive, as the treatment was outright torture to the extreme (locked in bamboo cages (where they couldn't even "flinch"), punctured with sharp objects, etc, etc.). The idea was to make these creatures "fear" man. I would have gladly left the human race and traveled to any other planet if possible after viewing this.

Should aliens be conducting experiments of torture on us humans, we damn sure well deserve it for the things we tolerate regarding treatment of our fellow sentient beings. In fact, I suspect there is a bit of karma involved in this.

On top of this, we have this "wack job" Palin who the country is going orgasmic over and she promotes the helicopter slaughter of wild wolves and bears in Alaska so that she and her "Viking wanna bes" will have more Moose to trophy hunt. Why isn't anyone protesting her practices? God I hate what we have become.

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Why can't we worry about both? It is not a war and sides do not to be chosen.

children certainly need to be protected by all means.

but we have put animals in a position where they not only depend on us, they can no longer function for themselves.

And man can not have gotten where we are today without the help of animals. Dogs, horses, sheep, cattle.

So we have made them dependent on us, yet abuse them for it.

There is no honor and maiming and torturing something innocent and defenseless. Especially since they have helped our existence, they deserve our protection.

If you observe animals closesly, expecially chimps or monkeys, you can see that there is more to them then hair and eyes.

Animals are able to survive with or without humans. In the great reality of things, animals are going to be here long after we're gone.

As for animals being eaten, I think, without a doubt, that if people had to kill animals to get their food, there would be a lot of more vegetarians out there.

Animals are eaten every day. As for the atrocities occuring, yes, it is bad, and yes, it must stop, so, instead of going, "all of humanity must die!," stop the powers that be who are abusing them.

This kind of thing, in the end, is inevitable.

Think about it, if someone pressed a button and every human died. Another animal would probably take our place and probably start this kind of thing all over again.

Killing all humans is wrong, but killing animals in needless and barbaric ways is just the same. Kill to eat, and nothing more.

Originally posted by non-living
There's no reason for all of this torture. We can all eat meat like our ancestors have, but there is just no sense in torturing them. Even if they are gonna die, at least a proper knife to the throat will do it like a lions teeth to the neck. Not bash the hell out of them and use multiple methods of killing them. Very shameful and disrespectful to life.

Did you watch the video? That is exactly what is happening, they put a bolt through their brain and then slit their throats. Just slitting the throat is quite cruel and that's why they use the bolt gun. Nice and quick. The twitches you see afterwards are nervous malfunctions.

The kosher methods are disgusting however, and quite cruel.

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Ridiculous. Do you think if a bear wandered into a village with 15 children who had no protection, that somehow it would be humane? No, it would eat as many as it could, and would not be concerned for their pain or suffering at all.

As stewards of the planet, we've come a long way in protecting wildlife and nature. We need to go further, but that doesn't mean humanity needs to be wiped off the planet. Get a grip.