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Sherrif Begins Taking Away Concealed Weapons Permits

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posted on Oct, 12 2008 @ 10:38 PM
reply to post by gimme_some_truth

Unfortunatley the constituion is not written in stone. There are changes made to it all the time.

You're absolutely correct. Article V actually states this directly, and gives details on how amendments may be made:

The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.

Oh, wait a minute; this can't be right. It doesn't say anything about nine people in black robes voting on what they want it to say.

The courts, up to and including the Supreme Court, do not have the right to amend the US Constitution. They are charged with resolving conflicts and declaring laws to be constitutional or unconstitutional based on the document itself and not their own personal interpretations of what it should mean.

For the role of the courts, see Article III on the same link.


posted on Oct, 12 2008 @ 10:46 PM

Originally posted by Saf85
Anyone living in the USA and reading this, you should cross over to Canada or Mexico, get yourself some assault and hunting rifles, get some ammo refilling equipment and supplies from your local gunshop, and start stockloading ammo for said guns.

Please don't bother coming to Canada. Your right to bear arms stops at the border. Quite a few Americans have found this out to their chagrin.

posted on Oct, 12 2008 @ 11:04 PM
You hit the nail on the head Redneck, We don't need a new Constitution, we just need a goverment that follows it......... Thanks for your post.

posted on Oct, 12 2008 @ 11:24 PM
Well, there you go. You can expect A LOT more of this if Senator Obama and Senator Biden are elected to the White House. They have already pledged to make the Assault Weapons Ban PERMANENT. Those of you who are familiar with the AWB, know that it also includes Magazine limits for ALL Firearms, and further restrictions. This is the first sign of a Socialist Government infringing upon the rights of American Democracy.

I always hear some "Anti-Gun" individual describing how if we simply disarmed the populace, there would be much less violence. Well, look at Washington, D.C., which has had a Handgun ban in place since the 1970's. What happened after they enacted the ban? They had the "Crack Wars" in the 1980's, and the District of Columbia became the Murder Capital in the 1990's. It still tops the list in sheer number of Homicides ever year, and ONLY as of recent has the Supreme Court finally quashed the City Council's ridiculous Firearms Codes.

As for Gun Ownership and violence, look at it this way. Back in the 1770's, during the time period in which this Nation was being founded, every household had multiple Firearms. These Firearms were kept for Hunting, and Protection (From Bandits, Indian War Parties, etc.). YET, how often did someone whip out a Firearm back then and shoot someone for stepping on their shoes, or do a Ride-by on Horseback and shoot-up an entire block? It is ALL about how we raise those in our Society, NOT about the number of Guns or Weapons floating around. We as Americans need to stop blaming others for the mishaps we have had in raising our Children, for the past couple of Generations.

When my Old Man went to College back in the day, they were allowed to keep Hunting Rifles in their DORMS, yet they NEVER had a single shooting, even over a fist-fight or argument. That says a lot about how people are being raised now-a-days.

posted on Oct, 12 2008 @ 11:25 PM
I don't understand the thinking of folks scared of other folks not only owning, but carrying guns. I live in Florida, and we are issued our permits by the State.

I hate to date myself, but in Viet Nam we truly had a cross-section of society. Not a lot of Jane Fonda's, but with the draft, we had a fair representation of America. White, Black, Yellow, Red. Jews, Christians, and it seemed like a crapload of pagans!

Everyone was armed. 24/7, and weapons were not only concealed, including pistols, grenades, knives and such, but we openly carried M-16's and other assorted automatic weapons.

What stuck out to me was that trouble-makers, dropped faster than burdschitt in a downdraft. No one was going to put up with any unnecessary bull***t, and it rapidly became a very polite society.

Rough, dirty, swearing, no-women-around men among men. And yet, you didn't cause trouble because the group decided that trouble-makers were not welcome.

If every adult citizen was required - yes I said required - to become proficient and carry a weapon, just like a driver's license, then while in the short term law-breakers would quickly assume ambient temperature, after a suitable "self-correcting" period, we'd have a great, generally law-abiding society.

The best trouble makers are dead trouble makers.

Yeah, my family all are licensed concealed weapons carriers. But that's only half of the task. You have to be aware at all times of what is happening around you, and if push comes to shove, you've got to have the resolve to not only pull that trigger, but to make sure that SOB is dead. Dead is good. Deader is better!

Killing never sat real well on my supper, and it usually took a bit longer to go to sleep, but at least I was having supper.

That Sheriff ought to be taken out back for a good, old-fashioned, country ass-whipping.!

posted on Oct, 12 2008 @ 11:51 PM
Sometimes I am glad I live in Michigan. The economy and job market sucks here, but it is a shall issue state and open carry is legal for those who don't wish to obtain a CPL (Concealed Pistol License). Not only that but Governor Granholm seems to be very gun friendly. Under her watch the Emergency Powers Protection Act became the law of the land, preventing lawfully owned firearms from being confiscated during emergencies as happened in New Orleans after Katrina.

There are over 290,000 active CPL's in Michigan. Not sure if it's true but I was told Michigan has the 4th or 5th largest "army" in the world based on licensed hunters. I can tell you I own 4 guns and there are 7 in the house. When the stuff hits the fan, y'all come up here and bring your guns. I defy anyone with ill intent to march through my state.

I know, I know, I'm just another example of barbarian Americans worshiping the gun. Understand though, that this country was founded by the gun and God willing will be protected by the gun from all enemies, foreign and domestic.

posted on Oct, 13 2008 @ 12:27 AM
It is simply unconstitutional. A law enforcement officer, on any level, does not make laws. That's why they call them 'law enforcement officers'. I hope that the violated citizens of Orange County follow the lead of the Washington DC resident who sued the city for their ban of all guns for residents of that city and by way of the Supreme Court, overturned that violation of DC residents that had been in place for over 30 years. Now they can own guns. But interestingly, the city is now attempting to limit citizens to revolvers in the case of handguns. And no one has to be told what that implies. Let's keep Amendment 2 alive. Join NRA!

posted on Oct, 13 2008 @ 01:19 AM
Some information that many people may not be aware of.
The Former OC sheriff Mike Carona was indicted for federal corruption charges.
He routinely handed out reserve deputy badges in exchange for $1,000 donations to his political campaign.
The current sheriff reactions are an attempt to clean up the mess Mike Carona left behind.
The current Sheriff has to pretty much go through and question everything thing Mike Carona did including who he issued Carry permits to.

posted on Oct, 13 2008 @ 01:26 AM
Gangsta Guns L.A. Stylin!

Civilian Guns in California

posted on Oct, 13 2008 @ 01:43 AM
Just another small step this nazi government is taking to disarm us, Im not shocked at all. I just fear the day when they try to take my legally owned guns, because blood will be shed, I am not flexible on that, If and when they come they will be treated like my worst enemy,and that is what they will be. Im not trying to sound tough, I truly pray that this never happens because im young and im not ready to check out yet. But I will die before they get them and some of them will too.

posted on Oct, 13 2008 @ 02:05 AM

Originally posted by TheRedneck
reply to post by gimme_some_truth

Unfortunatley the constituion is not written in stone. There are changes made to it all the time.

The only way to actually change the Constitution is through a Nationwide vote of States. Yes, some do not follow it in it's entirety, but of course that is why we have Checks and Balances within our System.

BTW, throughout History you have always had Loose Constructionists and Strict Constructionists. This is nothing new, and it is why we still debate to this very day on the meaning of the wording within our Constitution.

[edit on 10-13-2008 by TheAgentNineteen]

posted on Oct, 13 2008 @ 03:22 AM
reply to post by Merriman Weir

posted on Oct, 13 2008 @ 04:36 AM
reply to post by gimme_some_truth

I believe the basic, fundamental insanity stems from the THOUGHT that a Constitutionally GUARANTEED Right, can somehow STILL be usurped by bogus legislation.

I have the right, granted to me by the Second Amendment, to "keep and bear arms". That's right, BEAR Arms. This means I have a constitutional right to CARRY the weapon EVERYWHERE, even OPENLY.

The Supreme Court has ruled clarifying that the founding fathers meant INDIVIDUALS, not State Militias.

Every US Citizen has a Constitutional Right to Keep and BEAR arms... so HOW, exactly, can ANYONE prevent me from OPENLY CARRYING?

It's all a matter of fear-based control mongering. The governments, both state and federal, are FEARFUL of huge throngs of armed citizens... AS THEY SHOULD BE!

The beauty of our system, is that the Government should be 'held hostage' by an armed citizenry, not the other way around... in order to ensure that the government doesn't take undue liberties against the populous.

But, the BIGGEST issue is that these regulation-slinging idiots don't get is...

CRIMINALS DON'T FOLLOW ANY LAWS, much less laws on firearms. By creating bogus legislation, you can ONLY HARM LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS.

Again... the Second Amendment said "Keep and BEAR"... and that's what ALL gun owners should fight for.

posted on Oct, 13 2008 @ 04:38 AM
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posted on Oct, 13 2008 @ 04:43 AM
Did it ever occur to any of you guys that the sheriff is weeding out fraudulent applications.
Applications that might in fact not be legal?
Considering the legacy that her predacessor left her, it his her duty to go over those conceiled weapons permits that were issued during his tenur.
What of the previous sheriff ended up being on the take and a bunch of mobsters got conceiled wepons permits.

This isnt about the right to own a firearm, its about meeting the the legal requirement for carrying a CONCEILD WEAPON.

posted on Oct, 13 2008 @ 07:32 AM

Not that far off is it?

posted on Oct, 13 2008 @ 07:44 AM
reply to post by punkinworks

I think most of us get that now, but what a lot of the anger stems from is the fact that its difficult just to own a gun in California let alone carry concealed.

Macomb County (where I live) Had an estimated population of 832,861 in '06 and as of march this year there were 614 pending CPL applicants waiting for approval.

OC had an estimated 2006 population of 3,002,048 and just over 1000 total CCW's held? I know where I'd land my invading army

posted on Oct, 13 2008 @ 07:48 AM
Does anyone know *why* the people who are getting these letters are a *risk* ??

History of assault? battery?

If you take the attitude that they are trying to *disarm the population* then it is easy to be ignorant and assume they are revoking the licenses for that very reason.

What do you really know about this? Why are the people receiving the notices of revocation?

It's possible that you are all getting up in arms for licenses being revoked from people with a history of violence.

... and don't give me any 2nd amendment BS.

If you truly believe that the right to bear arms should not be infringed, then you believe a child rapist has the right to carry a firearm.. and that, my friend, makes you a disgusting person.

posted on Oct, 13 2008 @ 08:57 AM

Originally posted by logician magician
If you truly believe that the right to bear arms should not be infringed, then you believe a child rapist has the right to carry a firearm.. and that, my friend, makes you a disgusting person.

A child rapist should never be let out of prison. Since going to prison now for any crime doesnt mean anything anymore as rapists are out in months and murderers out in a handful of years I imagine child rapist set free would have regular threats against his life. Should the child rapist not be entitled to defend himself against a lynch mob? Or are you a proponent of mob justice?

Keep the rapist in prison and the issue is moot in the first place and the 2nd Amendment applies to everyone. No discrimination.

posted on Oct, 13 2008 @ 09:02 AM
reply to post by logician magician

The article said they are being revoked because they listed "avid shooter" as their reason for needing a CCW on their application.

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