Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus

I think the better way to phrase your question would be:

What does each individual Freemason think about Jesus?

So be it.

Let's see who stands for what.

[edit on 12-10-2008 by In nothing we trust]

Originally posted by network dude
Everyone who believes in a higher power can aggree and move past the religeon barrier.

Excellent point Brother. This is one of the aspects that makes Masonry so appealing to many, the acceptance of others belief in Diety is understood and is therefore not a hinderance in their standing as a Mason.

...and a 28th degree vampire.

Pffftt....he is not even a high-level Vampire and has no clue what the Vampires further up the pyramid are plotting.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
1. One poster condemning it based upon an ad hominem argument about the speaker.

There you go again telling a mis-truth. You seem to be doing that a lot.

I watched over 1 hour of this, and not only is it incredibly wrong, its very boring. Its the attempt of 1 man to spin all CT as the work of Satan. It is absolutely nothing that I haven't heard before.

And, as with most CT, the guy offers NO evidence for anything he says. He simply pronounces that all CT is true and its all the work of Satan to destroy Christians.

If you believe this, you will believe absolutely anything.

As to what he says about Freemasonry? He claims that "some" freemasons are used as tools of the "illumi-nutty" to coordinate a international banking scheme. A continuation of the usual populist CT - nothing new, and none of it sourced. A very, very bad presentation overall. I've seen much better.

About 95% of the video isn't even about masonry, its just one guy trying to get regular Christians to believe in every CT on the planet.

Originally posted by In nothing we trust
Let's hear it from the horses mouths, so too speak.

But your really not, since no freemason speaks for freemasonry what anyone says isn't something you can go record in the annals of CT as being the gospel of the freemasons.

Originally posted by In nothing we trust
What do Freemasons think about Jesus?

Freemasonry, not being a religion, make no dogma statement about Jesus Christ or any other deity. Freemasons, each being of their own religion, will vary in what they say depending on what their religion is. What they think about Jesus Christ has nothing to do with who they are as freemasons, since all they are told to do as freemasons is to simply respect everyone elses religion and fervently pursue their own.

This freemason, being Christian, will tell you that Jesus is God and my personal savior. A jewish freemason will not say the same, nor will a muslim who is a freemason.

This is like asking what the by scouts say about Jesus. They don't. Each boy scout has his own personal religion.

Originally posted by In nothing we trust
Do you accept Jesus as you're lord and saviour?

I do, non-Christians will not. Is this REALLY surprising?

Originally posted by In nothing we trust
Do you believe that Jesus has already walked the earth or do you believe that the lord god will come in the future?

Obviously only Christian freemasons will, again, say both to this.

Originally posted by In nothing we trust
Or are you an athiest and believe in nothing?

No member of regular freemasonry is an atheist. Belief in a Supreme Being (your personal religion) is required to join.

Originally posted by In nothing we trust

The mathmatical command and control vehicle of the masons and the jews is capitalism. Once the structure breaks down it will be replaced with worldwide socialism which is also a masonic ideal.

wait what? its the masonic dream for them to be the ruling class lording it over the masses of the poor workers and forcing them to pay for everything keeping them poor ... thats the nwo capitalism way in right

but thats massivley different to socialism .... so which is it they want?

or are they using one to get the other? which means democracy is evil as it allows them to make us all socialist (which isnt really evil and actually gives a stuff about everyone unlike democracy[which no one really has])

Originally posted by The Axeman
All anyone had to say was "it has something to do with Bill Schnoebelen" and it would be enough for me to skip it. (thanks LLM)

I whole heartedly concur with you Axeman. Bill and his ilk, I have figured out YEARS ago. At least John Ankerberg is entertaining (especially his stereotypical televangelist hair style)

Sorry OP, I personally do not have 2 minutes let alone 2 hours to give to Schnoebelen. After you've watched a bit of his garbage and perhaps read some legitimate Masonic info, you'll see what we mean.

BTW, www.masonicinfo.com will give you some well-documented information if you're truly interested.

If not, well, go ahead and believe ol' Bill. Heck, send him a donation. I'll bet he'd be appreciative. That's what these guys are after.

In fact, send ME a donation. I've been thinking about making my own Masonic Expose' I have quite a bit of Masonic regalia, a library full of Masonic books that would make a great back-drop for a video. I think I'll make up some of the most bizzare, ridiculous, outlandish claims I can imagine (maybe some of you guys can help me out with ideas) then 'll sell it as truth for a {ahem} donation of $19.99 plus S&H. I could get Billy Mays to do an infomercial on it and we'll throw in a free "Awesome Auger" some "Kaboom" and maybe even an old set of Ginsu Knives!

Of course, it'll be all nonsense, but confirmed Anti-Masons aren't interested in the truth anyway, as is so often displayed by their rabid acceptance of people like Schnoebelen, Ankerberg, Marrs and their ilk; and I won't be guilty of breaking my Masonic Obligations and might make few bucks on top of it.

The whole of which I'll give to the Scottish Rite's "Rite Care" program for children, by the by.


[edit on 13-10-2008 by senrak]

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
O really?
"Every Masonic Lodge is a temple of religion and its teachings are instructions in religion." - Albert Pike
"The religion of Masonry is not Christianity." - Albert Mackey

Once again, quotes taken out of context, an assumption that because a Mason writes something down, he is speaking as an Authority for all of Freemasonry and an overall fundamental lack of understanding about Masonry.

Masonry is NOT a religion. Want me to prove it? OK I will.

Religions claim to provide a path to Salvation; eternal life; Heaven.

While we as Masons hope to attain the afterlife, NO WHERE (that bears repeating) NO WHERE does Masonry claim "If you become a Mason you will go to heaven" NO WHERE (We Masons like things that come in threes)

Masonry has NO "plan of salvation" That is left to the particular personal faith of the individual Mason. Many die-hard fundamentalists cannot accept this, but it's the way it is.

Additionally, note that I said "personal" faith. That's what it is...the faith of the individual as a person. My personal faith is Trinitarian Christian (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) but who am I to tell my Jewish Brethren that their faith is wrong? If they want to discuss religion with me, I'm always glad to, but we don't do it in Lodge OR as Masons...we do it as individuals. And we DISCUSS it. We don't insult one another's faith or intelligence.

Reality: Masonry is a false substitute for genuine Christian fellowship.

No, the reality is those of us who are Christians enjoy genuine Christian fellowship. As Masons, we are a Fraternity (=Brotherhood) We accept that the Almighty God created us....ALL of us, not just the ones who call themselves Christians. Remember Jesus said "Love one another" ???? That's what we do. We exercise Friendship, Morality and Brotherly Love. If my Brother is Jewish, or Muslim or whatever, that's between him and God. But, he's still my Brother...in other words, my fellow human being.

"On this basis, Masonry unites men of every country, sect and opinion and conciliates true friendship among those who might have otherwise remained at a perpetual distance" (That' a quote from Masonic ritual, by the way)

I do like your userid, by the way. I find it interesting...because you are quite typical of the others who've posted the same things you're posting here. A search in the archives will show you what I mean.

You are not a mason I take it?

Do you have any idea what it takes to become a mason? The ritual work? Do you know anything that goes on in a Lodge of Masonry?

Apparently you don't, or, you would not ask this question. I will not talk about the secrets of Masonry on ATS. There is enough on the web for you to research.

I am the past master of a Lodge for Masonry. I believe Jesus died for my sins and I most certainly believe in his father, the all mighty God.