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posted on Oct, 12 2008 @ 10:49 PM
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Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus

I think the better way to phrase your question would be:

What does each individual Freemason think about Jesus?


So be it.

Let's see who stands for what.

[edit on 12-10-2008 by In nothing we trust]




posted on Oct, 12 2008 @ 10:51 PM
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The point that's trying to be made here is what set's it apart from the large amount of nonsense videos on Masonry that get tossed around here fairly often, aside from length.
There are a fair few thread that just bash on masonry for no reason, what sets this one apart?



posted on Oct, 12 2008 @ 10:54 PM
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Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus

You can not be an atheist and be a Mason.




Athiest:

With the spread of freethought, scientific skepticism, and criticism of religion, the term began to gather a more specific meaning and has been increasingly used as a self-description by atheists.

en.wikipedia.org...


Odd that you can't be an athiest and be a freemason, afterall athiests do appear to be free thinkers.

You can not be an athiest and be a Christian.



In early Ancient Greek, the adjective atheos (ἄθεος, from the privative ἀ- + θεός "god") meant "godless".

The term found frequent use in the debate between early Christians and Hellenists, with each side attributing it, in the pejorative sense, to the other.

en.wikipedia.org...


And yet masons as a group don't seem to have settled on the one true god.

But then again lets hear what the other individual masons have to say about Jesus.



Christianity began as a division among Jews; some recognized and accepted Jesus of Nazareth [see Nazarene] as the long-awaited Messiah, and some did not, or would not ...

Hellenists are mentioned specifically twice in The Bible, both in referring to Jews who spoke Greek and lived somewhat according to Greek ways. They did not congregate with the Hebrew-speaking Jews of Jerusalem during the time of Christ, but had their own synagogues.

www.keyway.ca...



[edit on 12-10-2008 by In nothing we trust]



posted on Oct, 12 2008 @ 11:29 PM
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Masonry is intended to be open to most religions, to specify one religion over another would change Masonry fundamentally, it's a religious organization, but not in and of itself religious.



posted on Oct, 12 2008 @ 11:37 PM
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Originally posted by RuneSpider
reply to post by In nothing we trust
 


Masonry is intended to be open to most religions, to specify one religion over another would change Masonry fundamentally, it's a religious organization, but not in and of itself religious.


Would you mind answering the question please?


Originally posted by In nothing we trust

Let's hear it from the horses mouths, so too speak.

What do Freemasons think about Jesus?

Do you accept Jesus as you're lord and saviour?

Do you believe that Jesus has already walked the earth or do you believe that the lord god will come in the future?

Or are you an athiest and believe in nothing?



posted on Oct, 13 2008 @ 12:07 AM
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I'm not a Mason, but I've thought about it.
To me, Jesus preached what people should follow, and got killed for it.

God is my lord (next to my mom) and Jesus shows the way to salvation.

Jesus walked the Earth. He said he will walk again. I have yet to see it.

You can not be an Athiest and be a Mason.

Anything else, you'll have to get me tomorrow, time to be homebound...



posted on Oct, 13 2008 @ 07:18 AM
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I believe Jesus Christ is the son of God. I also Belive he died so that our sins would be forgiven. That being said, I respect anyone else in their belief. Being a Mason does not make me a bad Christian, but bing a bad christian might make me a bad Mason. Once you really understand Masonry, the whold GAOTU thing makes perfect sense. Everyone who believes in a higher power can aggree and move past the religeon barrier. Once that is done, you can accomplish great things. Or some chose to spend all their time bickering over who is going to heaven. I personally have seen some mighty hot Baptist girls and would hate to think they wouldn't be in heaven to see.


The guy in the video is a 90th degree mason, and a 28th degree vampire. I don't need to see what he has to say. Everyone knows that once you become a 47th degree Mason, you have to have a pentagram tatooed on the tip of your nose.



posted on Oct, 13 2008 @ 08:45 AM
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Originally posted by network dude
Everyone who believes in a higher power can aggree and move past the religeon barrier.


Excellent point Brother. This is one of the aspects that makes Masonry so appealing to many, the acceptance of others belief in Diety is understood and is therefore not a hinderance in their standing as a Mason.


...and a 28th degree vampire.


Pffftt....he is not even a high-level Vampire and has no clue what the Vampires further up the pyramid are plotting.



posted on Oct, 13 2008 @ 10:28 AM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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He pronounces it "Illuminutty" on purpose. Glad you caught that. And my father is a 32 degree master mason, he said this guy is spot on.

Perhaps you should take another look.

Let me ask you a Q: Does the Bible forbid us to take oaths or not?



Its very bad of you tell lies, don't you know Christians shouldn't do that! I'd love to meet a "32nd degree master mason" who says hes being used in an international banking cartel for the illumi-nutty.

A: No. However, it does require that your yes be yes and your no be no. Mine are, I don't know about yours. I'll be concerned about your bible verses on oaths when you agree never to get married, or enter into a contract (same thing as an oath). Until then, don't bother.

[edit on 13-10-2008 by LowLevelMason]



posted on Oct, 13 2008 @ 10:35 AM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical
1. One poster condemning it based upon an ad hominem argument about the speaker.


There you go again telling a mis-truth. You seem to be doing that a lot.

I watched over 1 hour of this, and not only is it incredibly wrong, its very boring. Its the attempt of 1 man to spin all CT as the work of Satan. It is absolutely nothing that I haven't heard before.

And, as with most CT, the guy offers NO evidence for anything he says. He simply pronounces that all CT is true and its all the work of Satan to destroy Christians.

If you believe this, you will believe absolutely anything.

As to what he says about Freemasonry? He claims that "some" freemasons are used as tools of the "illumi-nutty" to coordinate a international banking scheme. A continuation of the usual populist CT - nothing new, and none of it sourced. A very, very bad presentation overall. I've seen much better.

About 95% of the video isn't even about masonry, its just one guy trying to get regular Christians to believe in every CT on the planet.



posted on Oct, 13 2008 @ 10:41 AM
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Originally posted by In nothing we trust
Let's hear it from the horses mouths, so too speak.


But your really not, since no freemason speaks for freemasonry what anyone says isn't something you can go record in the annals of CT as being the gospel of the freemasons.


Originally posted by In nothing we trust
What do Freemasons think about Jesus?


Freemasonry, not being a religion, make no dogma statement about Jesus Christ or any other deity. Freemasons, each being of their own religion, will vary in what they say depending on what their religion is. What they think about Jesus Christ has nothing to do with who they are as freemasons, since all they are told to do as freemasons is to simply respect everyone elses religion and fervently pursue their own.

This freemason, being Christian, will tell you that Jesus is God and my personal savior. A jewish freemason will not say the same, nor will a muslim who is a freemason.

This is like asking what the by scouts say about Jesus. They don't. Each boy scout has his own personal religion.


Originally posted by In nothing we trust
Do you accept Jesus as you're lord and saviour?


I do, non-Christians will not. Is this REALLY surprising?


Originally posted by In nothing we trust
Do you believe that Jesus has already walked the earth or do you believe that the lord god will come in the future?


Obviously only Christian freemasons will, again, say both to this.


Originally posted by In nothing we trust
Or are you an athiest and believe in nothing?


No member of regular freemasonry is an atheist. Belief in a Supreme Being (your personal religion) is required to join.



posted on Oct, 13 2008 @ 10:53 AM
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Originally posted by In nothing we trust

The mathmatical command and control vehicle of the masons and the jews is capitalism. Once the structure breaks down it will be replaced with worldwide socialism which is also a masonic ideal.


wait what? its the masonic dream for them to be the ruling class lording it over the masses of the poor workers and forcing them to pay for everything keeping them poor ... thats the nwo capitalism way in right

but thats massivley different to socialism .... so which is it they want?

or are they using one to get the other? which means democracy is evil as it allows them to make us all socialist (which isnt really evil and actually gives a stuff about everyone unlike democracy[which no one really has])



posted on Oct, 13 2008 @ 12:38 PM
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All anyone had to say was "it has something to do with Bill Schnoebelen" and it would be enough for me to skip it. (thanks LLM)

This whole thread was a waste of time... to think I'm going to sit and listen to Schnoebelen or one of his cronies drone on for two hours is, well, ridiculous.

I've done enough homework years ago to know that whatever Bill and/or his buddies are trying to sell you is bunk.

Sorry, you're going to have to do better than this crackpot.

You get a D- for effort, however misguided.


P.S. Yay Jesus!

[edit on 10/13/08 by The Axeman]



posted on Oct, 13 2008 @ 01:30 PM
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Dude -- I'm all about some Slipknot, but... huh?

What in the world does that song (good one, but not the best on the new album) have to do with anything regarding this topic?!

Seriously.



posted on Oct, 13 2008 @ 03:12 PM
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Originally posted by RuneSpider
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Masonry is intended to be open to most religions, to specify one religion over another would change Masonry fundamentally, it's a religious organization, but not in and of itself religious.


O really?


"Every Masonic Lodge is a temple of religion and its teachings are instructions in religion." - Albert Pike

"The religion of Masonry is not Christianity." - Albert Mackey




Reality: Masonry is a false substitute for genuine Christian fellowship.



posted on Oct, 13 2008 @ 03:17 PM
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Originally posted by The Axeman
All anyone had to say was "it has something to do with Bill Schnoebelen" and it would be enough for me to skip it. (thanks LLM)


I whole heartedly concur with you Axeman. Bill and his ilk, I have figured out YEARS ago. At least John Ankerberg is entertaining (especially his stereotypical televangelist hair style)

Sorry OP, I personally do not have 2 minutes let alone 2 hours to give to Schnoebelen. After you've watched a bit of his garbage and perhaps read some legitimate Masonic info, you'll see what we mean.

BTW, www.masonicinfo.com will give you some well-documented information if you're truly interested.

If not, well, go ahead and believe ol' Bill. Heck, send him a donation. I'll bet he'd be appreciative. That's what these guys are after.

In fact, send ME a donation. I've been thinking about making my own Masonic Expose' I have quite a bit of Masonic regalia, a library full of Masonic books that would make a great back-drop for a video. I think I'll make up some of the most bizzare, ridiculous, outlandish claims I can imagine (maybe some of you guys can help me out with ideas) then 'll sell it as truth for a {ahem} donation of $19.99 plus S&H. I could get Billy Mays to do an infomercial on it and we'll throw in a free "Awesome Auger" some "Kaboom" and maybe even an old set of Ginsu Knives!

Of course, it'll be all nonsense, but confirmed Anti-Masons aren't interested in the truth anyway, as is so often displayed by their rabid acceptance of people like Schnoebelen, Ankerberg, Marrs and their ilk; and I won't be guilty of breaking my Masonic Obligations and might make few bucks on top of it.

The whole of which I'll give to the Scottish Rite's "Rite Care" program for children, by the by.


[edit on 13-10-2008 by senrak]



posted on Oct, 13 2008 @ 03:33 PM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical
O really?
"Every Masonic Lodge is a temple of religion and its teachings are instructions in religion." - Albert Pike
"The religion of Masonry is not Christianity." - Albert Mackey


Once again, quotes taken out of context, an assumption that because a Mason writes something down, he is speaking as an Authority for all of Freemasonry and an overall fundamental lack of understanding about Masonry.

Masonry is NOT a religion. Want me to prove it? OK I will.

Religions claim to provide a path to Salvation; eternal life; Heaven.

While we as Masons hope to attain the afterlife, NO WHERE (that bears repeating) NO WHERE does Masonry claim "If you become a Mason you will go to heaven" NO WHERE (We Masons like things that come in threes)

Masonry has NO "plan of salvation" That is left to the particular personal faith of the individual Mason. Many die-hard fundamentalists cannot accept this, but it's the way it is.

Additionally, note that I said "personal" faith. That's what it is...the faith of the individual as a person. My personal faith is Trinitarian Christian (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) but who am I to tell my Jewish Brethren that their faith is wrong? If they want to discuss religion with me, I'm always glad to, but we don't do it in Lodge OR as Masons...we do it as individuals. And we DISCUSS it. We don't insult one another's faith or intelligence.




Reality: Masonry is a false substitute for genuine Christian fellowship.


No, the reality is those of us who are Christians enjoy genuine Christian fellowship. As Masons, we are a Fraternity (=Brotherhood) We accept that the Almighty God created us....ALL of us, not just the ones who call themselves Christians. Remember Jesus said "Love one another" ???? That's what we do. We exercise Friendship, Morality and Brotherly Love. If my Brother is Jewish, or Muslim or whatever, that's between him and God. But, he's still my Brother...in other words, my fellow human being.

"On this basis, Masonry unites men of every country, sect and opinion and conciliates true friendship among those who might have otherwise remained at a perpetual distance" (That' a quote from Masonic ritual, by the way)

I do like your userid, by the way. I find it interesting...because you are quite typical of the others who've posted the same things you're posting here. A search in the archives will show you what I mean.



posted on Oct, 13 2008 @ 04:08 PM
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It's true,t he religion of Masonry is not Christianity, it is in truth no specific religion.
However, it is part of Masonry to follow your religion, whether you are Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Wiccan, or whichever you'd prefer.
You have nondenominational churches, that don't specify which tiype of Christianity you follow.
Masonry, while Mass is not conducted, is open to all religions in the same sense.
It has no specific religion as a focus, but is open to all, and impresses beliefs upon none.



posted on Oct, 13 2008 @ 04:46 PM
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You are not a mason I take it?

Do you have any idea what it takes to become a mason? The ritual work? Do you know anything that goes on in a Lodge of Masonry?

Apparently you don't, or, you would not ask this question. I will not talk about the secrets of Masonry on ATS. There is enough on the web for you to research.

I am the past master of a Lodge for Masonry. I believe Jesus died for my sins and I most certainly believe in his father, the all mighty God.



posted on Oct, 13 2008 @ 07:08 PM
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shouldn't you be out looking to help the athiests find Jesus or something? I am kind of confused why you would pick a group that believes in god of some sort already to "enlighten with the holy spirit" so to speak. YOu could start with this group right here

All I am saying is don't argue with the wall that it is a wall. You will be angry if you loose the discussion.





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