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posted on Oct, 12 2008 @ 12:25 PM
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If you have accepted Jesus Christ as your savior, and you also took the oaths of Masonry. Please watch this video.

Do you realize what you have done?

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Now, this thread is for the Masons who also claim Jesus Christ as their savior. Please limit the responses to those Masons who claim Jesus Christ as their savior.

Thank you, and God Bless in Jesus's name.




posted on Oct, 12 2008 @ 12:35 PM
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The video is too long for me to watch in its entirety.

I certainly do believe that the Freemasonry, which embeds strong religious principles, can coincide with all religions.



posted on Oct, 12 2008 @ 02:27 PM
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Originally posted by MOFreemason
The video is too long for me to watch in its entirety.

I certainly do believe that the Freemasonry, which embeds strong religious principles, can coincide with all religions.


Have you seen the movie "Titanic"?



posted on Oct, 12 2008 @ 03:27 PM
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Dunno if MOFreemason has, but I have seen Titanic.
I appreciate non-sequitar, but I'm not sure what you're trying to say there.
As for the video, I'm at work and can't listen to it. I don't have a internet connection at home for another few weeks and probably won't be able to listen to it there either.
So, if you would please provide a cliff notes of the points of the video, so I can better understand what you are trying to communicate.
Please use your own words as much as possible.

Edit:
Ah, you're refering to the lenght of the video, sorry, I'm bit dull.


[edit on 12-10-2008 by RuneSpider]



posted on Oct, 12 2008 @ 03:40 PM
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The Mark of Cain, Cross of Lorraine - Lucifer's Children



[edit on 12-10-2008 by In nothing we trust]



posted on Oct, 12 2008 @ 03:45 PM
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I did in fact see the movie Titanic...it is airing on FMC at this very moment.

Problem is, I saw the movie when I was in high school and had three hours of my life to waste. Now, I value my time.

I would also prefer if you just provide YOUR talking points, in your own words/voice, so I can better understand your initial point.

Thank you kindly.



posted on Oct, 12 2008 @ 04:07 PM
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This is the same "prophecy club" that allows Bill "I'm a vampire/mormon/wiccan high priest/freemason/whatever else I can claim to get people to buy my books" Schnoebelen.

Based on that alone, this group has no credibility. Anyone who would let someone in and speak with such lies obviously does no background research on the claims their "speakers" present.

Anyways, I watched some of the video and this guy is nothing more than a run of the mill conspiracy theorist. Hes just taking all your normal conspiracies and putting a end times "Christian" alarmist theory on them. And where did he get all these GREAT revelations connecting all these fantastical conspiracy theories? From a drug user who told him a group of socialist were out to create a one world government. Uh-huh. Such credibility.

So almost none of this has anything to do with freemasony, but the parts that do which I found have been completely debunked. There is nothing new here.

Anyways, to answer the OP's question -

Yes, I am a Christian freemason and very proud of that fact. And I know exactly what I've done. I've joined a global fraternity of like minded men who wish to improve themselves. I imagine God is very happy for me that I am trying to improve myself instead of sitting around trying to connect every conspiracy theory on the planet and then proclaim its all a great war on Christianity. There is too much evil in this world to concern myself with creating the illusion of more through false conspiracy.

On a side note, I love how he pronounces Illuminati - it sounds like "Illumi-nutty"

Which really, is just so ironic and appropriate that it caused me to burst out into laughter.

[edit on 12-10-2008 by LowLevelMason]



posted on Oct, 12 2008 @ 04:17 PM
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{And I know exactly what I've done. I've joined a global fraternity of like minded men who wish to improve themselves.}

Why didnt you just do that with MANKIND in general (or even just your own town and neighborhood) instead of an all inclusive elite group of men ?This is no different than what Organized religion does ...

Arnt we all in this world together ..and dont most of us just want to make things better and improve ourselves and our world ? Why not start a mens group in your town that includes ANY who want to join and does not require any sort of pledge promises etc ...just a simple yes I wanna help ..how can I help ....


Sorry OP I couldnt help myself ..I just had to ask that ..



posted on Oct, 12 2008 @ 04:41 PM
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Originally posted by Simplynoone

Originally posted by LowLevelMason
And I know exactly what I've done. I've joined a global fraternity of like minded men who wish to improve themselves.


Why didnt you just do that with MANKIND in general (or even just your own town and neighborhood) instead of an all inclusive elite group of men ?This is no different than what Organized religion does ...


Uh....I think that's what LLM IS doing by way of Masonry. What we do as Masons is not just for the benefit of Masons; it's for the benefit of mankind in general. It's easier to accomplish things when you share certain traits than otherwise. By the same token, are we to naysay the good that the Knights of Columbus do just because it's a Catholic-only fraternity? The vehicle matters not so long as the ends are laudable.


Originally posted by Simplynoone
Arnt we all in this world together ..and dont most of us just want to make things better and improve ourselves and our world ? Why not start a mens group in your town that includes ANY who want to join and does not require any sort of pledge promises etc ...


Masonry IS inclusive. In my Lodge, our Inner Guard is Catholic, a Past Master is Jewish, our Senior Deacon is Sikh and the rest of the brethren are various and sundry flavours of Protestant. I'd wager that you'd be hard-pressed to find a similarly-composed group in the real world that accomplishes anything more. That Masonry excludes Atheists is being exclusive to a rather smallish component of the world's population.


Originally posted by Simplynoone
just a simple yes I wanna help ..how can I help ....

Sorry OP I couldnt help myself ..I just had to ask that ..


No question, no answer. Keep 'em coming.



posted on Oct, 12 2008 @ 04:46 PM
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Well, Fitz beat me to it and said it better than I can, just a few more thoughts:


Originally posted by Simplynoone
Why didnt you just do that with MANKIND in general (or even just your own town and neighborhood) instead of an all inclusive elite group of men ?This is no different than what Organized religion does ...


Actually its quite different than religion, and its not an elite group of men. Mankind is 6 billion people, and it includes lots of groups who have spent much time and resources helping lots of people. People who organize can do things more efficiently, calling yourself a "member of mankind" sounds great but doesn't actually accomplish anything. There is nothing saying you can't be a member of mankind and a group of people helping other people.


Originally posted by Simplynoone
Arnt we all in this world together ..and dont most of us just want to make things better and improve ourselves and our world ? Why not start a mens group in your town that includes ANY who want to join and does not require any sort of pledge promises etc ...just a simple yes I wanna help ..how can I help ....


Probably because the promises Freemasons make, through their fidelity to their promises, is one of the key points of having a successful group of people helping people. There is no point in a group where no one wants to promise to do anything.

I'm not afraid of commitment to higher ideals, and neither are my brothers.

[edit on 12-10-2008 by LowLevelMason]



posted on Oct, 12 2008 @ 04:48 PM
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Revolution is comming

Throw gasoline on the fire

Slipknot - Psychosocial



Lyrics:

I did my time, and I want out
So effusive
Fade
It doesn't cut,
The soul is not so vibrant
The reckoning, the sickening
Packaging subversion
Pseudo-sacrosanct perversion
Go drill your deserts,
Go dig your graves
Then fill your mouth
With all the money you will save
Sinking in, getting smaller again
Im done, it has begun
I'm not the only one

And the rain will kill us all,
We throw ourselves against the wall
But no one else can see,
The preservation of the martyr in me

Psychosocial, psychosocial, psychosocial
Psychosocial, psychosocial, psychosocial

Oh, there are cracks, in the road we laid
But where the temple fell,
The secrets have gone mad
This is nothing new,
But when we kill it all,
The hate was all we had!
Who needs another mess?
We could start over!
Just look me in the eyes
And say I'm wrong
Now there's only emptiness...
Venomous, insipid!
I think we're done
I'm not the only one!

And the rain will kill us all,
We throw ourselves against the wall
But no one else can see,
The preservation of the martyr in me

Psychosocial, psychosocial, psychosocial
Psychosocial, psychosocial, psychosocial


THE LIMITS OF THE DEAD!
THE LIMITS OF THE DEAD!

Fake Anti-Fascist Lie,
(Psychosocial),
I tried to tell you but,
(Psychosocial),
your purple hearts are giving out,
(Psychosocial),
Can't stop the killing idea,
(Psychosocial),
If it's hunting season,
(Psychosocial),
Is this what you want?,
(Psychosocial),
I'm not the only one!

And the rain will kill us all,
We throw ourselves against the wall
But no one else can see,
The preservation of the martyr in me

And the rain will kill us all,
We throw ourselves against the wall
But no one else can see,
The preservation of the martyr in me.

THE LIMITS OF THE DEAD!
THE LIMITS OF THE DEAD!
THE LIMITS OF THE DEAD!
THE LIMITS OF THE DEAD!


[edit on 12-10-2008 by In nothing we trust]



posted on Oct, 12 2008 @ 04:49 PM
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Originally posted by In nothing we trust
Revolution is comming

Throw gasoline on the fire


What does your desire to commit violence and rebel have to do with the thread, exactly?



posted on Oct, 12 2008 @ 04:58 PM
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Originally posted by LowLevelMason

Originally posted by In nothing we trust
Revolution is comming

Throw gasoline on the fire


What does your desire to commit violence and rebel have to do with the thread, exactly?



Without Jesus you're dead.



posted on Oct, 12 2008 @ 05:06 PM
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Originally posted by In nothing we trust

Without Jesus you're dead.


Guess what? Christian Masons are still Christian whether you like it or not. In case it hasn't dawned on you, the only thing that Christian Masons are guilty of in the eyes of certain sects of Christian non-Masons is being tolerant of others not of their faith. I'm sure Jesus and GAOTU will forgive Christian Masons a transgression such as this.



posted on Oct, 12 2008 @ 05:07 PM
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reply to post by Simplynoone
 

Masonry is a organization among many organizations that provide ways for people to improve themselves and their communities.
I'm not sure what you consider elitism, the only requirements are that you believe in a Creator God, are in good standing, and male. (It's a fraternity, not a sorority.)



posted on Oct, 12 2008 @ 05:25 PM
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Originally posted by In nothing we trust
Revolution is comming

Throw gasoline on the fire

Slipknot - Psychosocial
{much excess verbiage snipped}


The revolution may be coming, but it seems the whack-o's may already be here.

What the heck was THAT all about?


[edit on 12-10-2008 by Appak]



posted on Oct, 12 2008 @ 05:26 PM
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He's trying to prove some sort of point using someone else' words. I think it's getting lost in translation, though apparently it has something to with a lack of Jesus.



posted on Oct, 12 2008 @ 05:37 PM
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Originally posted by RuneSpider
Masonry is a organization among many organizations that provide ways for people to improve themselves and their communities.


Masonry is the mechanism that allows the worlds central banking elites to control and manipulate the world. The Bank of International Settlements in Switzerland is the private bank that gives the banking elite control over the entire worlds fiat banking system and thus thier governments.

Bank for International Settlements in Switzerland controls the Federal Reserve (Lifting the Veil)
www.abovetopsecret.com...'

Chronicles of Lucifer: Part 2



We can see that the banking elites have spelled out thier chosen secret society on our currency. A.A.O.N.M.S. also stands for Ancient Arabic Order of the Nobles of the Mystic Shrine (Shriners) as well as Mason.



The mathmatical command and control vehicle of the masons and the jews is capitalism. Once the structure breaks down it will be replaced with worldwide socialism which is also a masonic ideal.




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posted on Oct, 12 2008 @ 05:46 PM
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Originally posted by In nothing we trust
Masonry is the mechanism that allows the worlds central banking elites to control and manipulate the world. The Bank of International Settlements in Switzerland is the private bank that gives the banking elite control over the entire worlds fiat banking system and thus thier governments.


If you choose to believe in populist propaganda that banks are ruling the world, thats fine. Everyone has to believe in something, no matter how improbable. However, freemasonry has nothing to do with the random CT your spouting. How exactly is a fraternity based on the study of esoteric philosophy and charity going to fund some international banking conspiracy theory?

The problem with theories like this is that its so easy to prove wrong its laughable: the books of every lodge are open, and you can find them. You can find where the money freemasonry has goes: the bulk to charity, overwhelmingly for others, and the rest so that we can maintain the buildings that the fraternity owns. But of course that would require work and would require that people not believe everything they read.


Bank for International Settlements in Switzerland controls the Federal Reserve (Lifting the Veil)
www.abovetopsecret.com...'

Chronicles of Lucifer: Part 2


Your still not hitting on anything that has to do with freemasonry.


Originally posted by In nothing we trust
A.A.O.N.M.S. also stands for Ancient Arabic Order of the Nobles of the Mystic Shrine (Shriners) as well as Mason.


No, what it actually stands for is "Oh my goodness, if we take enough letters and draw enough lines in enough patterns, we can make lots of words!" Guess what, when you string together lots of words in a shape that have lots of vowels, you can create just about any word you want by drawing patterns of lines.


Originally posted by In nothing we trustThe mathmatical command and control vehicle of the masons and the jews is capitalism. Once the structure breaks down it will be replaced with worldwide socialism which is also a masonic ideal.


Your confusing your hatred for free markets and jews with freemasonry. There is no relation. Freemasonry supports no political ideology, as any 5 minute google search would prove you. But silly me, I thought you were interested in the facts.


[edit on 12-10-2008 by LowLevelMason]



posted on Oct, 12 2008 @ 06:53 PM
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Originally posted by LowLevelMason

Originally posted by In nothing we trust
A.A.O.N.M.S. also stands for Ancient Arabic Order of the Nobles of the Mystic Shrine (Shriners) as well as Mason.


No, what it actually stands for is "Oh my goodness, if we take enough letters and draw enough lines in enough patterns, we can make lots of words!" Guess what, when you string together lots of words in a shape that have lots of vowels, you can create just about any word you want by drawing patterns of lines.


OK here is another picture of the Great Seal as designed during the great depression.



Here's a closeup. So what other words or anagrams can you see here?



Maybe this will help you.





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