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Originally posted by neformore
What happens in Somalia has no bearing on what happens in Scotland.
So as we're discussing the topic "Sharia courts set to bring Muslim law to bear in Scottish Cities". lets stick to the law in Scotland, shall we?
Oh, really? - what other superior legal system is set up in Somalia that has clear and defined jurisiction to overule Sharia, and would have prevented the criminal killing of the woman then?
See, I studied the works of a certain Josef Goebbels He like to play with words. One of his neat little tricks was something I call association by design, namely taking something that was true, and then cleverly working it into another situation so that it appeared plausible, then repeating it often using something called Parrot technique........
Thanks for your reply-pressumptive pychobabble and acute pychological projection notwithstanding,you make an interesting point.
I think dispassionate objectivity may be an important factor when attempting to discuss this emotive topic but just going on a tirade about Goebbels isn´t going to acheive much.
With regard to your comments about Scottish shariah law differing from shariah law practised elsewhere on the planet,perhaps the crux of the problem is that,in each different country, the ´interpretation´ of abrahamic lore is solely based on the ´opinion´ of the individual religious cleric concerned.
This means there are absolutely no international standards or safeguards to oversee shariah law verdicts,rulings and punishments-in short these self ordained religious courts are ´wide open´ to abuses of power.
To just make a blanket comment about how you are sure Scottish shariah justice will be tolerant and fair sounds a bit naive.
I think the basic problem is that faithful Muslims are supposed to view sharia as the first and last word in all aspects of life.
Followers of sharia, by their very definition, cannot abide by any ruling from any other source which runs contrary to sharia.
Given sharia’s barbaric doctrine for women, family law immediately
becomes a ´soup sandwich´ under any attempt at a dual system.
Also its true that in some other countires where shariah law has been implemented,the ´council´ then goes on to invoke a ruling whereupon the strict religious law applies to all non muslims (kuffars) as well.
Heres an excerpt from an article about this practise:
"JAKARTA, Indonesia (AP) — A bill proposed by lawmakers on the tsunami-ravaged Indonesian province of Aceh would impose Shariah, or Islamic law, on all non-Muslims, the military and police, a local law enforcement official said.
…”Based on the equality in law, Acehnese people have formally proposed … to apply the Islamic Shariah Law to all those residing in Aceh, including military, police and non-Muslims,” said Alyasa Abubakar, head of a local government office which enforces the Shariah on Aceh.
The bill is apparently expected to pass. The news comes a couple of months after the Deutsche Presse-Agentur warned of “Taliban-style Islamic police terrorizing Indonesia’s Aceh”:
"In the months following the tsunami, the Aceh government inexplicably began vigorously enforcing a three-year-old provincial statute on Sharia, or Islamic Law. The provincial Islamic law department was unleashed to crackdown on ‘immorality’ - alcohol, gambling, women appearing in public without headscarves or venturing out at night without a male escort.
The ‘Sharia police,’ as they are known across the province, have become a power unto themselves - uneducated, arrogant young men operating outside of any legal framework or rules, human and women’s rights activists say.
Their illegal detentions and harassment of women, intimidation of the population and violent behaviour - they’ve publicly flogged more than 135 people for various violations in the past nine months - has earned them comparisons to Adolf Hitler’s ‘Brown Shirts’ in Nazi Germany.
… One young Acehnese woman was publicly flogged for kissing her boyfriend in public, while another 23-year-old has been locked up in Acehnese jail for more than two weeks without access to an attorney after being caught drinking beer. She could be flogged up to 40 times if found guilty by a local religious court."
I´m sure when this Indonesian shariah system was set up it was also touted as ´moderate´ but then just devolved into an extremist form of brownshirt religious nazism so it is interesting (if not ironic) that you make the corelation with Goebbels.
[edit on 02/10/08 by karl 12]