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reply posted on 12-10-2008 @ 04:11 AM by Frankidealist35
I'm not sure what facts you are talking about...

but people have their own different beliefs and they are on different ends of the political spectrum and you'll just have to be tolerant of their belief.

This website is useful in finding out your belief system and you can use it to see how your belief compares with other people's beliefs:

www.politicalcompass.org...

Also, keep in mind that people have different belief systems, for example, you might be an atheist, and someone else might be a believer. Someone might have perfectly logical proof for God, and, you might disbelieve it, because your belief system is different than theirs.

And, facts are open to interpretation.

Also, you might want to understand what subjectivism is first before you get involved into more arguments, so you can understand other sides, and other opposing views.

The basic idea of ethical subjectivism is that moral judgments are fundamentally subjective, i.e. based on feelings. This says nothing about what is right or wrong. So subjectivism does not allow (or forbid) anything, and it is nonsense to talk about how things would be if subjectivism were our guide or were put into practice. So you cannot criticize subjectivism by talking about the bad effects it would have. It is (meant to be) merely a description of the meaning of words such as 'right' and 'wrong'. It either gets the meaning right or it doesn't. So it is true or false, not good or evil.

academics.vmi.edu...

You might want to understand what viewpoints, are, people have their different viewpoints too. They have their own thoughts. Different from yours. People are presented with the same facts but they have different viewpoints, different ways of viewing the same issue.

en.wikipedia.org...

Thoughts are important, without thoughts there wouldn't be free speech.

www.aclu.org...

And, Galileo was prosecuted for people not believing in him, because they thought his facts weren't correct. They presented him with the facts of their time, that Earth didn't revolve around the sun, and all of these other false heresys, but, later on Galileo was correct, and, the progress was made. It's thinking like that when you don't accept what other people think that progress is prohibited from happening.

Also, keep an open mind about things... it helps to always understand what's out there, but, also to keep a mind about what's possible. Who knows what is impossible? Don't be so judgmental about what is and what isn't.

I hope that helped.


reply posted on 14-10-2008 @ 09:18 PM by CA_Orot
reply to post by Viral



You know, most of my friends think i'm nutts. When I start talking about Parabens, Flouride, Aspertame, Ammonium Larueth(l) Sulfate etc... They roll their eyes and call me paranoid.

Some people, just do not see outside the box - and that is their right as humans. To believe whatever they want to believe.

I choose to believe that Flouride is bad for me, I brush with flouride free thoothpaste, I use flouride free mouthwash, and I try my best to find Flouride Free Water. But sometimes at a restaurant, its just not so easy. Ordering a glass of water, instead of a Coke, is a compromise that I will make. The worst water I ever had was at the Tropicana Hotel in Las Vegas - it tasted SO full of chemicals and unnatural. I bought bottled water the entire time in Vegas.

So just as you believe that these things are bad, some people believe that they aren't and that the government, "really does have our best interests at heart."

- Carrot


reply posted on 15-10-2008 @ 08:50 AM by mmariebored
Originally posted by Viral
I don't understand what a 1950's propaganda leaflet has to do with me?

I'm going to presume you were speaking to me?
What does a 1950's propaganda have to do with this?
You're gasping over fluoride the way that propaganda tried to make people gasp, only you're using a softer method. "Hot words"? We all know there are many ways to get a message out. Fearmongering is fearmongering, whether you're using a soft glove or a brick.

One minute the mainstream is putting out that fluoride is essential to your teeth, the next we're hearing it can damage your nervous system? I read up on the amounts that can do damage, it's the same as taking in too much iron, you just need to be careful not to swallow your toothpaste spit and, if your town induces fluoride into your water, try not to drink too much of it in combination to fluoride containing foods.
Wiki
The definition of 'excessive' in the context of fluorosis falls on the order of parts per million (ppm) and is generally accepted to mean significantly higher than the 0.7 to 1.2 ppm amounts recommended for fluoridated water. Fluoride in small amount is considered by most dentists to be beneficial to teeth (see Fluoride therapy).

But it isn't going to do as much harm as scaremongers and gaspers would like people to believe. Bring awareness, that's fine, but relax a bit. The very air you breath in your big town will harm you quicker, if you want to get scary, should your friend walk around in a gas mask?




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reply posted on 15-10-2008 @ 03:11 PM by Viral
mmariebored, you failed to point to any of my statements which convey a sense of fear mongering. I am completely calm, but since you hold an opposing view you're projecting whatever fear you may have onto me. Have I made any outrageous claims? No. I've said something you don't believe and you resort to ad hominem.

Wikipedia is not a valid source of information. They got that information from the FDA, which is compromised because they have been working in conjunction with aluminum processing plants for decades to dump their wastes into our waters. There is a conflict of interest there.

video.google.com...#

That is only an introduction to the history of fluoride and its effects. Since you want to label me as a fear monger, listen to what Christopher Bryson, an award winning journalist, has amassed on the subject. These aren't his ideas, either, they're facts that he has assembled. I honestly think you have not studied this subject, and so you think I'm trying to deceive people. In any case, in any future arguments you have with people, try and refrain from ad hominems.

Regardless of what you think of me, I suggest you to watch the video or read up on the subject.

Edit : Iron is a natural part of our diet, so within moderation it is actually essential to our health. Stannous fluoride is not.
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reply posted on 15-10-2008 @ 03:35 PM by ThatDGgirl
reply to post by Viral



Hello Viral

I understand HOW you feel, as I've been trying to wake them up for years. I think you just have to realize, as another poster has already said, some just choose to remain asleep. Call it karma or fate or weakness or ignorance or self preservation, the big lesson here is to learn that (especially in the case of your friend who asks for the info) by giving the info, you HAVE done your job. You just can't be the police all the time! My husband doesn't want to know about ANY of this and it's very difficult because we are raising a child together. I walk that line every minute with him and I hate it. But, in every other respect, he's a great guy.

Be the messenger. Don't try to be the enforcer. It's a totally thankless job.

AND I see you're going for enforcement in your most recent post. You've not started this thread to debate the merits of flouride. I will watch the video. I agree with your views on flouride. BUT, that's not the point now, is it?

Be well, and be patient and continue to be the messenger. NOT the enforcer.
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