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Vote Out Bailout Backers

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posted on Oct, 11 2008 @ 08:58 PM
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This is a very good YouTube documentary of the action in Congress regarding the Bailout Bill:
www.youtube.com...Vote out Bailout Backers
After viewing this clip, how can anyone vote for any Congressional member that voted for this bill? Those opposed in Congress clearly call the Bailout Bill exactly what is is "A bailout of the few, and paid for by the taxpayers". They KNEW it wasn't a bailout of main street.




posted on Oct, 11 2008 @ 09:14 PM
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YES! Vote against them. If they voted for this abomination of legislation the vote the SOBS out! If we do not stand up to the Congress that sold us out, the we deserve what we get! Socialism, and ultimately, slavery.

Unless we keep our minds FREE!



posted on Oct, 11 2008 @ 09:18 PM
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Brilliant contribution PE, a star and flag for you. Perhaps now a complete list is in order so we can carry on.

www.washingtonwatch.com... tch-or-not-how-did-your-representative-vote/

You have my support.



posted on Oct, 11 2008 @ 11:14 PM
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Thanks, Rooster, it's great having friends that we can count on.



posted on Oct, 12 2008 @ 02:06 PM
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You know PE, I'm going to go off topic here for a minute so please excuse the rant. There are quite a few individuals on here who's opinions and outlook have served as a great educational tool for me, yours being one of them, so thank you for the kind words. However, there are some others that scare the "BJesus" out of me, and it seems those people are dead serious about their opinions. I was originally drawn to this site out of pure entertainment, I now come to it for news, commentary, and insight.

If one buys into a fraction of the doom and gloom so prominent on ATS lately, it could really take you down a few notches on the tone scale. It seems much of what is written here lately spits in the face of "Deny Ignorance." It's almost as if the term "Deny Ignorance" is nothing more than an empty mission statement.

Perhaps prior to being issued a log in and password, the site owners should require potential members to electronically sign the "Deny Ignorance Oath". The "Oath" could be as simple as... "By joining this site I will seek out like minded individuals, engage in spirited but considerate debate, concede defeat or admit when I am wrong, and change my outlook when the opportunity presents itself". Or something along that line. There just seems to be a lot of "name calling" lately, some of which (I hate to admit) I've engaged in.

I'm rambling but I think you know what I mean. Now on to the topic at hand.

When you think about the nine months it took Congress to agree on the Patriot Act (and it's impact on society), and the fact that Congress now openly admits they "rushed it through", what the hell does that say about the 5 or 7 days they spent on the bail out? Has history taught us nothing? Watching the video you posted makes me wonder how the hell this was ever passed.

But history is not lost on you and I, and we need to be committed to removing these people from office. In my state Dean Heller was the lone Nay vote, and he's up for re-election. I've met the man and wasn't impressed by him personally, but it seems he listens to his constituents, a very good reason to re-elect him. I have emailed the list to my friends in other states, hopefully they're as committed as I am.

See you around.



posted on Oct, 12 2008 @ 08:50 PM
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Rooster,
Thank you for your kind words. Like you, I also am frustrated by some of the people that seem to just go off the deep end, using no logic at all. I don't like to use the ignore button, but some of them have been so ridiculous, that I had no choice. After a month or so, I take them off the list and hope they've gone away. So far, it seems to be working.
Anyway, back to the topic. Like you, my congressman voted for the bailout bill, after his aid had hinted to me that he was opposed to it. I sent an email to him and told him I was personally going to campaign against him, and I have kept my word. I went to each neighbors' house, with a fact sheet that I had drawn up, with the lies that were in the bill, and explained how each of those lies were costing us money and freedom. Most of the people that I talked to, were not aware of those lies, because they only knew what the MSM had told them. They indicated to me that they were going to vote against him now. I hope they follow through. I have been telling everyone I meet about his betrayal. It is amazing how many people believed the MSM when they reported that there were executive salary caps in the bill, when in fact, there are NONE. There is only a very hazy paragraph that says that the Secretary (of the Treasury) can review salaries, if he thinks they are not justified, but there is no amount specified, and nothing that states that he has to do anything about it. Another sham pulled over the taxpayers eyes. I also blame the MSM for not having the fortitude to actually CHECK out what the bill really says, instead of just taking the word of those that pushed the bill forward.
I don't know if it is just laziness or complicity on the part of the MSM, but in either case, they have helped to push this treasonous bill through, with their lies and misstatements.
Rooster, it is amazing how few of us even bother to try to learn the truth. Most of the regulars on ATS do deny ignorance, but as you said, there are some that seem to wallow in their ignorance, and have no problem in trying to share that with others.



posted on Oct, 12 2008 @ 09:01 PM
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star and flag from me also.

I am not voting for anyone who supported this. ANd i hope enough people do the same thing. Wouldn't it make a great statement for them to lose their jobs? I just wish there was a way to get the word out easier. I'm sick and tired of our government not listening to the people that put them into office in the first place.



posted on Oct, 12 2008 @ 09:34 PM
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Originally posted by David9176

I just wish there was a way to get the word out easier. I'm sick and tired of our government not listening to the people that put them into office in the first place.


Getting the word out is as easy as you sending it to two people, those two people sending it to two people, so on, and so on. Use your email address book and spread the word like a virus. Trust me, its easier than you think. And thank you for caring.



posted on Oct, 12 2008 @ 09:38 PM
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I'm with you and I am committed. I don't care if it takes 10 years to remove these individuals from office, I will be vigilant. You are not alone!



posted on Oct, 12 2008 @ 09:39 PM
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Vote for or against. I'm really surprised that an electoral college has not formed to elect members of the senate or congress. Oops, better not give them any ideas.
Go to "H E double hockey sticks" congress!! People my @55



posted on Oct, 12 2008 @ 09:45 PM
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Getting the word out is as easy as you sending it to two people, those two people sending it to two people, so on, and so on. Use your email address book and spread the word like a virus


Great idea, Rooster. I'm going to do that. Thanks.



posted on Oct, 12 2008 @ 09:48 PM
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I actually did that before all 3 votes from the house and senate. Unfortunately, so many i know don't give a damn...and frankly...it really ******** me off. Lol.

I'll keep fighting the good fight and hope it makes a difference.



posted on Oct, 12 2008 @ 10:12 PM
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Getting the word out is as easy as you sending it to two people, those two people sending it to two people, so on, and so on. Use your email address book and spread the word like a virus


You're right. We need to educate them on why it SHOULD be important to them. Tell them to look at their 401K balance, or if they are too young to have one, ask them to ask their parents to look at their 401K balance, or savings accounts, or money in their pocket. The 401K balances will speak for themselves. Explain to them, that as a result of this treasonous act, their dollars in their pockets or savings accounts are now only worth 91 cents. That is based upon the increased deficit, as well as the increased money supply that was released $630,000,000,000.00 by the Fed after the initial House vote.
If you want to see how your dollar has decreased over the years, here is a site that has a calculator. You can put in any year from 1174 to 2007 and an amount:
www.measuringworth.com...
For instance, if you put in 2000 as the initial year, $100 as the amount, and 2007 in the desired year, you find that today you need $120.41 to purchase what you could have purchased in 2000 for $100.00

Explain to them that their TAXES will go up drastically, to pay for this bailout of Wall Street. Explain how these crooked CEO's got severance packages of tens of millions of dollars, and that since the government is now paying the bill for those severance packages, in reality, WE, the TAXPAYERS are now paying those packages.
Explain to them that because of these crooks, people now will not be able to get student loans, car loans, etc. and that money put into buying a house has now been lost, in part. If they own a home, and go to try to sell it, they will lose money.
Explain how everything that they buy will now cost more.



posted on Oct, 12 2008 @ 10:21 PM
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All excellent points and i'm not disagreeing with any of them. I could preach this to people and i have told them some of these things...some may get involved...but so many won't. They just don't care unfortunately. I've had people tell me that i'm getting to carried away and worrying to much about it. They just want to continue like it's not happening and everything will be rosy.

An example: My girlfriend. She doesn't care and is tired of me talking about it...she just wants to watch desperate housewives and not worry about it..lol.

Like i stated before...i'll keep fighting the good fight on this, but sometimes it feels like a losing battle.



posted on Oct, 12 2008 @ 10:54 PM
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Try this approach...

David: Hey John! have you checked the balance on you 201k lately?

John: My 201k? Don't you mean my 401k?

David: No John, your 201k! Don't tell me you have not been watching the news?

John: Oh yeah, I've been watching the news Dave, what's that got to do with a 201k?

David: Well John, if you've been paying attention to the news lately, then you know your retirement account is now worth about half as much as it was before Congress passed the bail out bill, that's why I called it a 201k. Do you understand what happened and who is responsible?

John: Well I heard about it, but I don't really get it or how it affects me.

David: John, I know exactly what happened. Here, why don't you take a seat... you don't want to be standing when I explain it. In the next five minutes I'm going to tell you who, what, where, when and how. Then I'm going to tell you what you and I are going to do about it. Here, have a seat...



posted on Oct, 12 2008 @ 11:00 PM
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Thats actually pretty clever...the 201k bit...lol. I like that. I may have to try that angle. Thanks for the post.



posted on Oct, 12 2008 @ 11:24 PM
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Please...

Who do you think you're foolin? The right leaning folks will bite their tongue and vote a straight GOP ticket, bail out or no bail out. With the converse being true on the Dem. side.

But the huge independent block; they seem to be leaning left at the moment and it's gonna take something big to straighten them out.



posted on Oct, 12 2008 @ 11:30 PM
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I just received this email:


545 PEOPLE
By Charlie Reese

Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them.

Have you ever wondered why, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are against deficits, WHY do we have deficits?

Have you ever wondered why, if all the politicians are against inflation and high taxes, WHY do we have inflation and high taxes?

You and I don't propose a federal budget. The president does.

You and I don't have the Constitutional authority to vote on appropriations. The House of Representatives does.

You and I don't write the tax code, Congress does.

You and I don't set fiscal policy, Congress does.

You and I don't control monetary policy, the Federal Reserve Bank does.

One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one president, and nine Supreme Court justices 545 human beings out of the 300 million are directly, legally, morally, and individually responsible for the domestic problems that plague this country.

I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve Board because that problem was created by the Congress. In 1913, Congress delegated its Constitutional duty to provide a sound currency to a federally chartered, but private, central bank.

I excluded all the special interests and lobbyists for a sound reason. They have no legal authority. They have no ability to coerce a senator, a congressman, or a president to do one cotton-picking thing. I don't care if they offer a politician $1 million dollars in cash. The politician has the power to accept or reject it. No matter what the lobbyist promises, it is the legislator's responsibility to determine how he votes.

Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy convincing you that what they did is not their fault. They cooperate in this common con regardless of party.

What separates a politician from a normal human being is an excessive amount of gall. No normal human being would have the gall of a Speaker, who stood up and criticized the President for creating deficits. The president can only propose a budget. He cannot force the Congress to accept it.

The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, gives sole responsibility to the House of Representatives for originating and approving appropriations and taxes. Who is the speaker of the House? She is the leader of the majority party. She and fellow House members, not the president, can approve any budget they want. If the president vetoes it, they can pass it over his veto if they agree to.

It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300 million can not replace 545 people who stand convicted -- by present facts -- of incompetence and irresponsibility. I can't think of a single domestic problem that is not traceable directly to those 545 people. When you fully grasp the plain truth that 545 people exercise the power of the federal government, then it must follow that what exists is what they want to exist.

If the tax code is unfair, it's because they want it unfair.

If the budget is in the red, it's because they want it in the red.

If the Army & Marines are in IRAQ , it's because they want them in IRAQ

There are no insoluble government problems.

Do not let these 545 people shift the blame to bureaucrats, whom they hire and whose jobs they can abolish; to lobbyists, whose gifts and advice they can reject; to regulators, to whom they give the power to regulate and from whom they can take this power. Above all, do not let them con you into the belief that there exists disembodied mystical forces like 'the economy,' 'inflation,' or 'politics' that prevent them from doing what they take an oath to do.

Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible.

They, and they alone, have the power.

They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the people who are their bosses

provided the voters have the gumption to manage their own employees.

We should vote all of them out of office and clean up their mess!

Charlie Reese is a former columnist of the Orlando Sentinel Newspaper.

It struck me as highly applicable to this thread.



posted on Oct, 12 2008 @ 11:40 PM
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I consider myself independent. If i'm the only one doing it then so be it....i don't care...but i won't vote for anyone who voted for it. If people shy away from it...well that's their decision...but it most certainly won't happen with me.



posted on Oct, 13 2008 @ 12:23 AM
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Originally posted by David9176
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I consider myself independent. If i'm the only one doing it then so be it....i don't care...but i won't vote for anyone who voted for it. If people shy away from it...well that's their decision...but it most certainly won't happen with me.


In another thread you just said you were going to vote for McCain. He voted for the bail out. Which is it?



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