Troopergate Report: Palin Abused Power , page 7

reply to post by mythatsabigprobe

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Palin got caught in a breach of ethics. McCain got caught in a breach of ethics.

Oh yeah? Than why isn't she in any trouble? Why isn't she being charged with anything? Why are big Obama supporters heading up this whole scandal? Why did this investigation go nowhere until Palin was the VP candidate? Why are you all suddenly angry about a corrupt cop losing his job?

All questions you guys don't give a damn about, because this is nothing more than a partisans witch hunt.

[edit on 12-10-2008 by Marcus Calpurnius]

reply to post by mythatsabigprobe

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Oh I'm sorry, TRIED to get him fired. either way, it doesn't flow with the normal perspective in this forum when it comes to corrupt cops. Suddenly you guys don't have a problem with child tasering cops.

www.cnn.com...

The 2006 report called the incident an example of "extremely poor judgment," and noted that he has been trained in "the risks associated with use of the weapon on a child."

What is it exactly that you are so angry at Palin for? She had every right to fire the Public Safety Commissioner, as the report said.


[edit on 12-10-2008 by Marcus Calpurnius]

reply to post by mythatsabigprobe

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The report claims there were personal reasons involved, but that they weren't the only reasons. I mean, shouldn't you take this whole thing with a grain of salt, considering who lead the investigation. I know there was a Republican involved, but he was a Plain opponent!

Originally posted by Marcus Calpurnius
Oh yeah? Than why isn't she in any trouble? Why isn't she being charged with anything? Why are big Obama supporters heading up this whole scandal? Why did this investigation go nowhere until Palin was the VP candidate? Why are you all suddenly angry about a corrupt cop losing his job?

Marcus Calpurnius, there is so much about your posts on this subject that proves you don't understand what actually happened. You really should read the story in full and understand what happened. Just to deny ignorance, you know?

The committee who found her guilty are not responsible for her punishment. There may not even be any punishment.

Source

The chairman of the Legislative Council, Sen. Kim Elton, D-Juneau, said he agreed with Branchflower's findings but wasn't ready to suggest there should be any consequences for the governor.

"We don't charge people, we don't try people as legislators," Elton said. Any further action or disciplinary measures, he said, would be up to Palin's executive branch, the attorney general or the state Personnel Board.

Source

The report found that the Alaska governor violated state ethics laws and abused her power by trying to have her former brother-in-law fired as a state trooper.
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Branchflower's report recommends no criminal investigation and has no authority to sanction the governor...

She MAY be charged and she MAY have to pay a fine of up to $5000. But that hasn't been decided yet. I doubt seriously if she will be punished. That doesn't mean she didn't break the law. She did.

Where you got the idea that "Obama supporters are heading up this whole thing" is beyond me and beyond reality. That's just not the case. You can say it 500 times and it still won't be true.

This investigation was started and well on its way before Palin became VP pick. Just because you didn't hear about it doesn't mean it wasn't happening.

Here is an interview of Palin from MAY of '05. That's 3 years ago. It was happening before Obama OR McCain were running for president! So, this has nothing to do with Obama.

And finally, the corrupt cop didn't lose his job. Please read about it and get a vague understanding of the facts of the case.

I'm not angry at poor Sarah. I just don't want her to become VP and abuse her power in THAT position as she has PROVEN to do time and time again. She is dangerous.

reply to post by Battleline

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Its a sad day when you have an opinion(and a problem with spelling) that your branded and censored(see I have a dictionary).It must have been the loser thing.I feel fully chastised for braking your rules,but I apologise for nothing,I met what I said.


You know I have read worse and seen name calling far worse so I must have steped on Mod toes.I don't like name calling,for that I do apologise but censorship is what I thought this site was not about.Had I not asked some legitimate questions I could see the removel.

Off topic so no doubt removed again,just felt I needed to explain to the few that got to read my post.SEE YA!!

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic

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Ah, typical BH. See what you want to see and lob insults at everyone who doesn't agree.

The committee who found her guilty are not responsible for her punishment. There may not even be any punishment.

No, they didn't. there was no trial and there were no laws broken. The report itself she was well within her rights to fire the commissioner. The cop should have been fired to, based on his tasering of a child and his death threats. Again, odd to see such defense of a cop from people who are normally so anti-cop.

She MAY be charged and she MAY have to pay a fine of up to $5000. But that hasn't been decided yet. I doubt seriously if she will be punished. That doesn't mean she didn't break the law. She did.

What law? If shes not being tired, punished, censored or fined, what was the point of this all? The guy who headed up this investigation said this would be an October surprise, than right on time this report comes out in October!

www.marketwatch.com...{73ABC656-1280-4FE8-82F3-17389CA875AD}&dist=SecMostRead

Branchflower says Palin was within her rights to fire Monegan, but contends that she violated state ethical codes. The probe also says the state attorney general has failed to provide written information about the case in form of emails.

The decision of if she violated ethical codes was up to people who have a stake in Obama's election. Given the facts, that this cop threatened her family and tasered a kid, I don't see how you can fault her for what she did.

www.marketwatch.com...{73ABC656-1280-4FE8-82F3-17389CA875AD}&dist=SecMostRead

Wooten was reprimanded by the Alaska Bureau of Investigation for his actions in March 2006 and suspended for 10 working days.

Where you got the idea that "Obama supporters are heading up this whole thing" is beyond me and beyond reality. That's just not the case. You can say it 500 times and it still won't be true.

Its not true that the democrats who headed this investigation are Obama supporters?

politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...

Palin trooper probe chief will stay, lawmaker says
Posted: 12:32 PM ET

(CNN) – The manager of a state probe into the firing of Alaska's public safety commissioner won't be removed for suggesting the investigation could yield an "October surprise" for Gov. Sarah Palin, a key lawmaker announced Monday.

www.barackbook.com...

Kim Elton Is Listed As An Obama Supporter On Obama’s Web site. (Obama For America Web site, www.barackobama.com, Accessed 9/16/08)

Elton Has Donated At Least $2,000 To Obama’s Campaigns. (Center For Responsive Politics Web site, www.opensecrets.org, Accessed 9/16/08)

Oh no, there is no conflict of interests there at all!

And finally, the corrupt cop didn't lose his job. Please read about it and get a vague understanding of the facts of the case.

You need to read a bit more carefully. I said the commissioner was fired not the cop.

I just don't want her to become VP and abuse her power in THAT position as she has PROVEN to do time and time again. She is dangerous.

I'm more worried about Obama being in the drivers seat with his dangerous relationships with unrepentant terrorists, criminals like Rezko and voter fraud organizations like ACORN. I'm more worried about Obama continuing the policies he learned while working for ACORN and the Socialist New Party. To me, thats a hell of a lot more dangerous than Plain trying to get a drunken moron of a cop fired.


[edit on 12-10-2008 by Marcus Calpurnius]

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic

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Yeah, this is classic.

She MAY be charged and she MAY have to pay a fine of up to $5000. But that hasn't been decided yet. I doubt seriously if she will be punished. That doesn't mean she didn't break the law. She did.

First you lcaim that she may be charged, and then you state that she broke the law. How can you factually claim she has broken the law when she hasn't even been charged, let alone convicted.

I think that either you are one of Obama's paid forum bloggers, or you don't understand how big media has you completely fooled.

You might not be angry at Sarah, but you certainly are willing to slander her.

Why do I get the feeling that should Obama become president, tasering people will become even more common. It seems that Obama supporters approve of tasering children. I'm just trying to get a handle on what Sarah Palin's husband did wrong in trying to get this guy fired.

reply to post by Marcus Calpurnius

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Originally posted by Marcus Calpurnius
I'm more worried about Obama being in the drivers seat with his dangerous relationships with unrepentant terrorists, criminals like Rezko and voter fraud organizations like ACORN. I'm more worried about Obama continuing the policies he learned while working for ACORN and the Socialist New Party. To me, thats a hell of a lot more dangerous than Plain trying to get a drunken moron of a cop fired.

For someone who is obviously a conservative, you're awful liberal with your interpretation of the facts.

Anyway, you're scared of things that you don't know and people that you don't know, what else is new?

Oh, and it's "New Party" -- not "Socialist New Party". You need to alter your diet of Michelle Malkin.

reply to post by Areal51

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For someone who is obviously a conservative, you're awful liberal with your interpretation of the facts

Amazing, because I'm not a conservative. What made you think I was?

Anyway, you're scared of things that you don't know and people that you don't know, what else is new?

My post was a response to what Benevolant posted, "I just don't want her to become VP and abuse her power in THAT position as she has PROVEN to do time and time again. She is dangerous."

Why the accusations of being scared of people I don't know? You seem to know a lot about me for someone who doesn't know me. Hypocritical much? For the record, the person you keep describing isn't me. Maybe you're projecting?

Oh, and it's "New Party" -- not "Socialist New Party". You need to alter your diet of Michelle Malkin.

According to Wiki:

en.wikipedia.org...(United_States)

The party could best be described as social democratic in orientation, although party statements almost invariably used the terms "small-d democratic" or "progressive" instead. Its founders chose the name "New Party" in an effort to strike a fresh tone, free of associations with dogmas and ideological debates.

In other words, they wanted to hide who they were.

Left-wing critics of the New Party, such as supporters of the Green Party, argued that the New Party was merely a pressure group on the fringes of the Democratic Party, rather than a genuinely new political party.

When left-wing critics are accusing you of being on the fringe, you have problems.

reply to post by poet1b

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Originally posted by poet1b
First you lcaim that she may be charged, and then you state that she broke the law. How can you factually claim she has broken the law when she hasn't even been charged, let alone convicted.

How's about doing a modicum of research?

LAW:

Originally posted by anachryon
Read the PDF of the actual report.

Page 66.

Her conduct violated AS 39.52.110(a) of the Ethics Act.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by anachryon
Further reading:

Alaska Statute

AS 39.52.110. Scope of Code.

(a) The legislature reaffirms that each public officer holds office as a public trust, and any effort to benefit a personal or financial interest through official action is a violation of that trust. In addition, the legislature finds that, so long as it does not interfere with the full and faithful discharge of an officer's public duties and responsibilities, this chapter does not prevent an officer from following other independent pursuits.

That's the law on Alaska's books, and that's what the report indicates Gov. Palin is in violation of.

Deny Ignorance, folks.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Sometimes ATS is a reliable source of information!

reply to post by Marcus Calpurnius

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But did you read what I quoted?

reply to post by Areal51

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The fact the probe chief is:

-An Obama supporter
-Has donated money tot he campaign.
-Bragged about an "October surprise"

Doesn't bother you at all? I find the ethics charge a bit ironic.

The legislature reaffirms that each public officer holds office as a public trust, and any effort to benefit a personal or financial interest through official action is a violation of that trust.

The commissioner of this whole investigation has personal interest in the outcome of this report!

reply to post by Marcus Calpurnius

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So -- we're back to guilty by association tactics again?

Sorry, but you missed the party.

The "Obama the Terrorist Communist Muslim Handsome Man" party that was held by the Guilty By Association Association was in full swing a few days ago. It's over now.





[edit on 12-10-2008 by Areal51]

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic

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Why are you all suddenly angry about a corrupt cop losing his job?

You are purposely ignoring where I corrected myself.

Alaska Statute 39.52.110(a) of the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act. Explanation on page 5 of this thread.

Not a law, no charges filed, no trial, no penalty for anything. This is PURELY political, which is why you ignored all the information I posted about the commissioner.

Do you fault the teacher who gives the kid an F because she doesn't like his mom?
Do you fault the cop who hassles the law-abiding teen because of what his dad once did?
Do you fault the Attorney General who has lawyers fired because of their political party?

All of those are baseless reasons for punishment. The cop in this case was a bad cop. Because of his past and the threats against her family, she believed he should be fired. If this were any other case involving any other governor, you guys would be applauding them.

Look at the Wooten Report:

The record clearly indicates a serious and concentrated pattern of unacceptable, and at times, illegal activity occurring over a lengthy period, which establishes a course of conduct totally at odds with the ethics of our profession

He was told that messing up again would be his job. The threats were the final straw!

I don't know if they are now. But they weren't when this all started. He wasn't even running then.

The investigation started when this man and 2 others initiated it, which was after Obama was nominated. I'm still looking for the detailed information on the other two, but I beleive one is also an Obama supporter and the other a Republican opponent of Palin.




[edit on 12-10-2008 by Marcus Calpurnius]

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