Originally posted by dr_strangecraft
First, I need a gun to hunt, which feeds my growing family with meat that would otherwise cost an additional $750 a year in grocery bills. I am compensating for something alright; for not owning my own herd of cattle!

deer. over abundant and quite tasty to boot.
I like to think that every time a deer hears a gunshot its like, 'man, i need to bang a buck.' but they are usually too busy multiplying to think, like some of the unrational ATS users.

thank you for being a good patriot.

My .02

Just as soon as all the governments and criminal elements on this planet completely disarm, I will most joyfully join them.

Until then, The firearms that a Citizen (of any Nation) owns are, imo, needed insurance against those who would seek to deny one's Creator bestowed right to life and liberty.

I would love to trust my government, But I do not.

I've had my insurance for over 25 years and never have my firearms threatened or intimidated anyone, not once were they brandished, let alone fired in the presence of anyone, outside of a designated shooting range, or area.

Imo, It simply comes down to this, one can trust others to guarantee one's right to act freely (without infringement on others, of course), or one can keep an Ace (even Straight Aces) in the hole just in case the Government abuses its power (never done that, have they?)

Love, Freedom, Peace.

Originally posted by dr_strangecraft

Originally posted by Simplynoone

I also believe someone else made an excellent point ..What happened to all the gun toteing Americans during the LA RIOTS ? I would like to hear that answer myself ..

Actually, the LA RIOTS didn't spread because of local gun owners, who helped their neighbors use their vehicles to barricade streets. I remember seeing footage of pickups full of would-be rioters pulling up to a cul-de-sac, at which point the inhabitants held up deer rifles. The pickup quickly drove off.

I think some of the gun owners were even charged with deadly conduct, for recklessly displaying their shootin' irons.

There was also a Korean store owner, who kept rioters from stealing his stuff by climbing up on his roof and offering to pick off anyone who entered his store.


The sad fact is, criminals have no respect for any threat that doesn't involve grave bodily injury. Having worked in law enforcement, I can assure you that real criminals have absolutely no fear of prison. And in most venues, breaking and entering is not even a felony---meaning they won't even lose their right to own a gun !!!!!.

Nobody said that they spread because of gun owners. Are you people so dead set on defending a point that you must do it even when it is not what is being argued?

PAY ATTENTION THIS TIME

It was stated that the muslim riots in France only happend because those people had no guns.

GOT THAT PART SO FAR?

I was countering that the L.A. riots were even worse and we have guns here

FOLLOWING?

So there is no relationship between being an armed country and an unarmed country and it's ability to prevent riots.

THAT IS THE ONLY POINT I WAS MAKING.

They had riots, we had riots. Guns had nothing to do with. Patriotism should not be so hung up on guns. People who are too myopic to transcend that argument need to learn to read or keep quiet.

Originally posted by MorningStar8741
PAY ATTENTION THIS TIME

It was stated that the muslim riots in France only happend because those people had no guns.

GOT THAT PART SO FAR?

I was countering that the L.A. riots were even worse and we have guns here

FOLLOWING?

So there is no relationship between being an armed country and an unarmed country and it's ability to prevent riots.

do you not see the correlation provided by your own comment?

"LA was WORSE because they had guns."

I know nothing about the french "riots" but i know a thing or two about LA, and it was a class/race issue that never leaked to the mid/upper class, who probably would have created a larger outlash had it reached their doorsteps.

Why didnt anyone come out shooting in New Orleans when they came for their guns ?
Everyone keeps saying if they come to take your guns you will shoot ..they didnt did they ?

I asked a dear friend of mine once ..will you really shoot the very men you claim are fighting for our country ..the ones you say have every right to kill the enemy ..and then turn and shoot them when they come for your guns ?And dont yall know that you will be OUTNUMBERED and will then be shot on the spot (Your family will be too) ...just so you can keep your gun ..how is that going to make you feel then >? Because you wanted to hold onto that posession you lost your whole family and your own life maybe or you may live and just go directly to jail) .And then have to live with the fact that your family was killed just so you could keep your gun ..



About hunting ...I have nothing against hunting and killing for food ...We had no choice but to do that in Alaska when we lived off the land completely in my childhood .....(I do have a problem though if your just doing it for the antlers )

[edit on 11-10-2008 by Simplynoone]

I see a thread about American patriotism has about 7 pages of debating the validity of guns.

But I guess there's already too many guns to outlaw them - therefore, I can see the need to have one if every other Tom, Dick and Harry has one as well.

I still think the US constitution didn't mean to have such an emphasis on gun ownership, but it's been taken in such a way that it has gained that 'God given' status.

It's seriously an enigma to me, so I'm not going to question it

"I need this thing because of the danger that my fellow man is going to kill me, or my government is going to kill me."

That wouldn't inspire a lot of confidence for me, but I suppose a gun fills that void of confidence.

Originally posted by drsmooth23

do you not see the correlation provided by your own comment?

"LA was WORSE because they had guns."

I know nothing about the french "riots" but i know a thing or two about LA, and it was a class/race issue that never leaked to the mid/upper class, who probably would have created a larger outlash had it reached their doorsteps.

I am honestly not even sure what point you are trying to make now but it is in no way related to the point I was making. If you are just looking to argue, argue elsewhere.

I am in 100% agreement with the original poster. Most Americans from what I have seen, have allowed our government to walk all over them. Things like the Freedom Act would have never passed without a fight from the public many years ago. What has happened to our country? Our nation has become a bunch of ignorant followers, and they don't even question what our government does. That's what really worries me. I mean they have slowly been widdling away our freedoms, and most of America has thier head in the sand, and no one stands up for our rights anymore. Iraq was an unjust war. Many of our soldiers have lost thier lives over this war. Where are the protesters at? Why is no one doing anything to try and stop this? Look at all of the protesters we had during the Vietnam war, you would think it would be the same for the Iraq war. All I have to say is that our founding fathers would be sick at what our country has become. This is not what they had envisioned at all when this country was formed. This is blasphemy to our founding fathers, and to all of our soldiers from many years past who fought for our freedoms.

I do not however agree with the original poster on his views of guns. It is our American right.

First this:

Originally posted by statickitt3n
Our nation has become a bunch of ignorant followers

Then this:

Many of our soldiers have lost thier lives over this war. Where are the protesters at? Why is no one doing anything to try and stop this? Look at all of the protesters we had during the Vietnam war, you would think it would be the same for the Iraq war.

Seriously. Do you have any idea what you're bloviating about, or are you just an ignorant (liberal) follower?

1. The modern army is a VOLUNTEER army. The kids all signed a contract promising them money for college if they would serve in the military. And 90% of the soldiers today signed up AFTER the war started. . . .

2. We haven't lost many soldiers. Less than about 5000. we lost more than that in one day, at pearl harbor.

3. Is this an unjust war? why? Because Saddam renegged on the surrender terms he agreed to? You know what happens when you un-surrender? The people you surrender to get really pissed.

3(a) Or maybe it's unjust because we attacked another country that hadn't attacked us? But that is merely following the Clinton Doctrine---that it's OK to bomb Serbia back to the stone age, even if they didn't attack us, if they seriously suck.

3(b). Or it's ok to shoot US missles into downtown baghdad, full of civilians, like clinton did in 1998. So what's the difference with Bush's action, other than the fact that he was successful, where Clinton failed.

3(c). Maybe it was because Bush isn't a Democrat, and his party doesn't own your TV. Yes that's probably it.

end of thread. this guy wins the topic

Patriotism? What the hell is that?

Did you mean Nationalism? Now that I can relate to. I see that all the time in the States.