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American Patriotism Terrifies me!!

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posted on Oct, 11 2008 @ 12:42 PM
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reply to post by Merriman Weir
 


Ok, maybe some people do not understand, in America we have the right to gun ownership, I plan to work towards keeping it that way, like it or not, that is the way it is.

Guns can be used for things other than just for protecting oneself from other humans. They can be used to hunt for food, they can be used to protect oneself from "wild creatures" depending upon where you live. They can be used for target practice.

Another point, in America in some places you can get a permit call "concealed carry", that means that yes, some Americans have guns in their purses or in hidden holsters on their body.

As I have stated earlier, BLIND PATRIOTISM is not true patriotism, if you truly love your country then you ask questions constantly in regards to what the government is doing, I don't care where you come from. If you blindly follow your leaders, that is not showing true patriotism IMO. To me patriotism is wanting to see your country doing and becoming the best that is possible, and blindly supporting your leaders (no matter where you are from) will not get us their.

Don't like that fact that in America we as citizens are allowed to own guns? Don't move here.




posted on Oct, 11 2008 @ 12:48 PM
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Guns serve the purpose of protecting America's citizens from tyrannical take overs from outside foreign ingluence through political and lobbyist connections. That is what is going on now and that is the reason we all have our guns.

These same mindless morons that support the criminal and treasonous administration are the same ones who want to keep their guns but have ours taken away. If it comes down to an illegal martial law and a round up by foreign troops in America's streets, I want to be secure in knowing that every single one of my neighbors and myself are still protected and can fight back.

That's the jist of it all.



posted on Oct, 11 2008 @ 12:52 PM
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You know i always wanted to visit America, but i wont, simply beause i am too scared too. Same with the UK. Once When our pareents were little they could go out and leave there houses unlocked - now they lock them whilst their in! That is just in one generation.



posted on Oct, 11 2008 @ 01:00 PM
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Originally posted by MCoG1980
reply to post by eradown
 


You know i always wanted to visit America, but i wont, simply beause i am too scared too. Same with the UK. Once When our pareents were little they could go out and leave there houses unlocked - now they lock them whilst their in! That is just in one generation.


At this moment, in America we have people who are above the law and have a licsence to steal. You do not want to bump into them at a resort. They are the sort of people who if you look at them the wrong way they will they hate you forever and they will make sure you suffer. You non Americans fear the wrong Americans for the wrong reasons.

[edit on 11-10-2008 by eradown]



posted on Oct, 11 2008 @ 01:08 PM
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LOL everyone on the planet knows that america isnt full of gun nuts,we also know that a majority of you dont carry fire arms with you all the time!

Its just the fact there are a LOT of guns out there!I would expect a fair few gun owners have more than one gun?

I am just so relieved that guns are not available here for everyone,so some little pussy getting a hard time at work or school cant go back home and get the weapon that makes him a man



posted on Oct, 11 2008 @ 01:10 PM
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Originally posted by skeptic1
reply to post by MorningStar8741
 


So, in other words, Republicans/conservatives are the ones that follow blindly and the Democrats/liberals are.....what exactly? I infer your meaning from reading your points about Fox News and talk radio. If I am wrong, please correct me.

Patriotism is not nationalism, and I think that is where the confusion lies. I don't blindly support my country and government just due to the fact that I live within the borders of the US (which in my mind is nationalism). I love my country and its founding principles enough to question my government (which in my mind is patriotism).


So... in other words I cannot really speak to the Dem/Lib thing. The corporate Media are all in the same boat. Talk radio is nothing but on conservative channel after another. Sorry but there just really is no competition in that arena so infer whatever you like. I am speaking about what is there.

As for Nationalism, I did not say that. You reply is completely out of place. If nothing I say applies to you, then you have no response. If you are going to respond about Nationalism and go on a rant, I suggest you address it to the people talking about Nationalism. (hint-I never mentioned it)



posted on Oct, 11 2008 @ 01:12 PM
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Originally posted by Contagion2012
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Do you not see a correlation with Obama and Hitler??? IE the Obama youth? Liberals are the only patriots? I would consider myself a Independent, that leans both ways depending on the situation. I consider myself a patriot because I dont blindly follow ANY leader. Bush, McCant or NObama. All of our politicians are corrupt as hell, and if you believe that Obama, 'the messiah', will solve any problems, you have got to be an idiot. A TRUE patriot would take this country back and make a new small government that is actually for the people, by the people.

This goes the same for those 'across the pond.' Politicians are in the corporations' pockets.

[edit on 11-10-2008 by Contagion2012]

Awww dude, ya called me an idot and put words in my mouth. Obama is an idiot too. I only side with him because he is the lesser of the evils. If you won't choose sides you will get caught in the crossfire. Your minority of vigilantes will never stand a chance. I am now singing God Bless America as I fight with my words on this screen. Join the ones who are voting for the future or wallow in your small pool of hate. Join the flag waivers at least. Show some commitment to make the world better.



posted on Oct, 11 2008 @ 01:13 PM
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I think the fact that some people have added me as a 'foe' without engaging in debate illustrates my point perfectly!
Just to clarify AGAIN;

I actually like America. AND Americans!

Let's not mistake patriotism for gun ownership - like so many of you are.

My main worry is all the flag waving and blind patriotism - that is all, I was looking for a discussion but some people are too 'American'm they can't step outside the box for one minute!!

My main concern is a country that would vote for a 'War President' and a candidate that would run for president based on a 'bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran' mentality.

[edit on 11-10-2008 by Thebudweiserstuntman]



posted on Oct, 11 2008 @ 01:20 PM
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Originally posted by arizonascott
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Guns serve the purpose of protecting America's citizens from tyrannical take overs from outside foreign ingluence through political and lobbyist connections. That is what is going on now and that is the reason we all have our guns.

These same mindless morons that support the criminal and treasonous administration are the same ones who want to keep their guns but have ours taken away. If it comes down to an illegal martial law and a round up by foreign troops in America's streets, I want to be secure in knowing that every single one of my neighbors and myself are still protected and can fight back.

That's the jist of it all.


So to sum up your worst case scenario, if i may, American citizens would essentially be fighting an urban guerrilla war on U.S soil, fighting street to street, against a force comprising of fellow citizens(Army etc) facilitating a " tyrannical take overs from outside foreign influence "

Replace the word American/ with Iraqi.
Sounds like a fear your average patriotic Iraqi might share with you.


Any "resistance" from Northern Ireland to Northern Baghdad survives or fails on the strength of support from the community.

So the question is, would this "U.S resistance" , be the freedom fighters or terrorists ?

Did you ever think you would ever(potentially) have something in common with the Mahdi Army ?


[edit on 11-10-2008 by UmbraSumus]



posted on Oct, 11 2008 @ 01:22 PM
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Originally posted by Thebudweiserstuntman
I think the fact that some people have added me as a 'foe' without engaging in debate illustrates my point perfectly!
Just to clarify AGAIN;

I actually like America. AND Americans!

Let's not mistake patriotism for gun ownership - like so many of you are.

My main worry is all the flag waving and blind patriotism - that is all, I was looking for a discussion but some people are too 'American'm they can't step outside the box for one minute!!

My main concern is a country that would vote for a 'War President' and a candidate that would run for president based on a 'bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran' mentality.

[edit on 11-10-2008 by Thebudweiserstuntman]



posted on Oct, 11 2008 @ 01:23 PM
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I am in no way anti US, but I believe that if you are to be truely patriotic, you need to be aware of all the things your country has done in your name.
When you talk of blind patriotism, this is not just following what one party believes, it is indoctrinated into the very education system of a country. Thebudweiserstuntman encapsulates this point by stating:

"And you refer to America like the Nazi's, Who's land have we taken. We gave France, Germany, Spain, Italy, soon Iraq..............on so on there land back. So what is your basis for the comparison? "

A quick recap for all those who think that WWII started after Pearl Harbour was bombed:
1. Spain was actually in the throws of a civil war while the rest of Europe was at war and thus not liberated by anyone.
2. The US joined the allies based in the UK who consisted of Polish, French, Dutch, Belgian and other remants of countries who had been occupied by German forces as well as Commonwealth countries.
3. Italy and Germany were not liberated, they were defeated as were Austria, Japan and all other countries signed up to the Nazi cause.

Although there was tacit support for the allies from the US during the first three years, the US did not win the war single handed when joining the war effort proper. It is an insult to all other countries whose soldiers died to liberate Europe from Nazi Germany especially when these countries did not conscript men into their armed forces, they volunteered. The US however had to do this.

Thebudweiserstuntman also mentioned "Whose land have we taken?", well over the years the US has invaded or supported armies that have placed pro US heads of state(Puppets) in, Iran (the Shah), Iraq (Hussien), Saudi Arabia (Ruling Royal Family) to name a few I don't think I have to elaborate on the US interferance in central and south America. Upon doing this, US companies come in and rape these lands of their natural resources for profit. This is a modern version of what European countries did without ever actually having to rule the local masses like England did in the Indian sub-continent of French in Africa. They might not have "taken" any land, but took everything form the land instead.

Unfortuantly, as most people in the US will never leave it's borders they will never get to see what their blind patriotism has caused for the average person in countries where US interferance at the blessing of the US patriotic masses has caused.



posted on Oct, 11 2008 @ 01:23 PM
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This person has the right idea. The Patriotism spoken of in the first post is not patriotism, its blind submission to status quo. Real patriots, like those spoken of in the quote above, are the only one's trying to save this country from the patriots spoken of in the first post. I am from Texas (lived here for 16 years), and I do everything I can do to save our country from the big wigs who want to sell out our country to line their own pockets. It's not nice to over generalize
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However, to validate the original point (in way), I did see 2 cars in my apartment complex with Bush/Cheney '08 bumper stickers. haha



posted on Oct, 11 2008 @ 01:27 PM
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Just curious, and I hope the OP finds this relevant but. How do you 'patriotic americans' feel about laws against flag burning?



posted on Oct, 11 2008 @ 01:30 PM
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Originally posted by simon75
I am in no way anti US, but I believe that if you are to be truely patriotic, you need to be aware of all the things your country has done in your name.
When you talk of blind patriotism, this is not just following what one party believes, it is indoctrinated into the very education system of a country. Thebudweiserstuntman encapsulates this point by stating:

"And you refer to America like the Nazi's, Who's land have we taken. We gave France, Germany, Spain, Italy, soon Iraq..............on so on there land back. So what is your basis for the comparison? "


Thebudweiserstuntman also mentioned "Whose land have we taken?", well over the years the US has invaded or supported armies that have placed pro US heads of state(Puppets) in, Iran (the Shah), Iraq (Hussien), Saudi Arabia (Ruling Royal Family) to name a few I don't think I have to elaborate on the US interferance in central and south America. Upon doing this, US companies come in and rape these lands of their natural resources for profit. This is a modern version of what European countries did without ever actually having to rule the local masses like England did in the Indian sub-continent of French in Africa. They might not have "taken" any land, but took everything form the land instead.

Unfortuantly, as most people in the US will never leave it's borders they will never get to see what their blind patriotism has caused for the average person in countries where US interferance at the blessing of the US patriotic masses has caused.


Please check your source - i never stated any of this! If so please use the quote function!!



posted on Oct, 11 2008 @ 01:35 PM
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My apoligies it was a quote from "anotherdad".
Will remember to use Quote function in future, sorry for the confusion.



posted on Oct, 11 2008 @ 01:36 PM
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American Guns are the only thing right now that stands between you, and total totalitarian lock down.

Do me a favor, put a sign on yourself or your front door advertising that you don't carry or own any guns... we'll see just how long you last.

I'm not a republican or a democrat... I don't vote, I am however an Iraq/Afghanistan Veteran, I served as an Infantrymen... I've earned the right to carry a gun, to not vote, and nobody's going to take that away from me... period.



posted on Oct, 11 2008 @ 01:41 PM
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Ok, you've earned the right to carry a gun by serving in the military. Good. Has everyone in the US served in the militrary and therefore earned that right?

Why don't you vote? Just out of interest?
You say that your gun saves you from totalitarian lockdown but you don't vote!!!??

Think you may have to sort out your priorities, voting is your first line of defence, not a gun!

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[edit on 11-10-2008 by Thebudweiserstuntman]

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[edit on 12-10-2008 by GAOTU789]



posted on Oct, 11 2008 @ 01:43 PM
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Originally posted by MorningStar8741
Just curious, and I hope the OP finds this relevant but. How do you 'patriotic americans' feel about laws against flag burning?


Start another flag burning thread. The mods are making an effort to keep the debates on topic. Good idea I think. Sorry to spank you.
Guns, we got more guns than pets now. We can even shoot nails with nailguns now. We have tools for everything and the guns have nothing to do with my patritotism. They don't frighten me like they do the rest of the world as I grew up with them.



posted on Oct, 11 2008 @ 01:44 PM
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Originally posted by amazed
Ok, maybe some people do not understand, in America we have the right to gun ownership, I plan to work towards keeping it that way, like it or not, that is the way it is.


Thanks for pointing that out actually
All this time I was under the impression that change can be a good thing. It's refreshing to see that some people still understand the fundamental principle that the way things are is the way they actually should be.


Guns can be used for things other than just for protecting oneself from other humans. They can be used to hunt for food, they can be used to protect oneself from "wild creatures" depending upon where you live. They can be used for target practice.


I cant believe how ignorant I've been on these issues. All these years I had thought that Americans bought their food from grocery stores
silly me. Never mind all those wild creatures that would devastate US cities if people weren't allowed to constantly defend themselves.

You know, you learn something new everyday. I had never considered the value of target practice in a modern society. I had just attended a rally calling for universal housing here the other day, I hadn't even considered the benefits of universal access to target practice. I'm going to form a facebook lobby group right now!

Oh, and protecting yourself from other humans? How many times have you used a gun to protect yourself? The statistics can answer that for you with a positive NEVER.


Originally posted by arizonascott
Guns serve the purpose of protecting America's citizens from tyrannical take overs from outside foreign ingluence through political and lobbyist connections. That is what is going on now and that is the reason we all have our guns.


Well it's a good thing you guys are doing such a fantastic job
Because it's not as though education could ever achieve this.



posted on Oct, 11 2008 @ 01:50 PM
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Your living in dream world if you think the politicians are your first line of defense...

My Guns are my vote... because when gun sales go up... that's the message.


So, what say you... about walking down the street at 3:00 in the morning with a sign advertising that your unarmed?



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