American Patriotism Terrifies me!!, page 10
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reply posted on 11-10-2008 @ 07:51 AM by MorningStar8741
reply to post by SnowCone



Well that is what I thought happend but I am not sure that is what the other person meant.



reply posted on 11-10-2008 @ 08:12 AM by noangels
reply to post by skeptic1





I'm glad guns are not freely available over here in England,as any pussy can pick up a gun and that gives them an advantage over any one else who hasnt got one and isnt within striking distance!

It works well over here,sure we have guns on the streets with the pond life Criminals in the inner cities but there small in numbers.We do have bad knife crime but it must be a lot easier to run away from a blade than try and out run a hail of bullets!

But,If I lived in America I would have to have a gun seeing as so many of you there have them.There needed to protect your family and there is a big chance that any intruder who breaks into your house may be armed too.I can understand many people owning guns there,I dont like that idea but I can see the logic in keeping them to protect yourself and family


reply posted on 11-10-2008 @ 08:18 AM by Blogstalker
reply to post by noangels



You would think bullets are flying around freely in the US, they arent.

I do find it interesting you would own one if you lived here. And just for your information not all Americans own guns or want too.


reply posted on 11-10-2008 @ 09:54 AM by Open_Minded Skeptic
reply to post by Thebudweiserstuntman



American (or any other country) patriotism is not a problem, I don't believe, and should be no cause for concern.

American (or any other country) jingoism is a big problem, and cause for concern.

Patriots do not tend to start wars, although it is not generally a good idea to start a war with a patriot...

Jingoists do tend to start wars, often with less than desirable results.

And as a life-long citizen of the US, I have seen a disconcerting rise in jingoism in the last 8 years.


reply posted on 11-10-2008 @ 09:58 AM by SideWynder
reply to post by fingapointa



To try to answer your question, I will try to explain my understanding of what "American Patriotism" means to me..

What I believe it means to be patriotic. Is to believe in the principles that this nation was originally founded on. and to do your best to uphold them, also to make use of all our rights provided to us under our constitution, and to protect those rights.

That may mean not always following or agreeing with the most current or most popular political or social trend.

This is somewhat difficult for me to actually put into words, as I am no scholar, and the nuances of "patriotism" are many, but in General to me patriotism is having a love for your country, not necissarily a blind "pride", But a true love and a willingness to do your best to help make your country a place where you can be proud of it, and a place that you and your children and many more generations can be proud of.

Now as far as American patriotism being more than the right to bear arms.. In my opinion they are not actually related. IE you can be just as patriotic weather you own a firearm or not..

What I would consider "unpatriotic" would be the stripping away of our rights to bear arms.. I equate that as equall to the stripping away of our right to free speech, or the right to vote, or any of our rights being removed.

Now I do not consider it "unpatriotic" to "argue" that you don't belive or think some of our rights afforded to us in our constitution are necissary. Nor do I believe that if you disagree with the government that you are "unpatriotic". Quite the contrary.

I do believe that true Patriotism does bring people together, I see it as a common bond for people that truly love thier country and want to make it a better place for all.

true patriotism, in my opinion, does not and can not be socialised by those in power. It comes from the individual and thus promulgates up.

I hope that I have been able to answer your question.


reply posted on 11-10-2008 @ 10:08 AM by Blogstalker
reply to post by Merriman Weir



Let's try this again, had a post written and the site went to maintaince.

Anyway, I didn't get the impression the poster particularly wanted to own a gun either and I don't know their basic feelings on owning one but I just found it interesting they would own one if they lived in the US.

I feel some people, and this isn't directed at anyone in particular, think that citizens of the US are carrying guns around in holsters and in their purses like wallets and lipstick. That just isn't true.



reply posted on 11-10-2008 @ 10:12 AM by MCoG1980
reply to post by RRconservative



America WILL be a great country if it learns to accept all as equal, and help those in the deprived areas rather than liining the pockets of the fatcats. Guns do need to be banned - the only reason to own one is to inflict harm - whether self defence or deliberate. Not acceptable eitherway. Britain as leasts realises this but unfortunately britain is turning into 'little america'.

[edit on 11-10-2008 by MCoG1980]


reply posted on 11-10-2008 @ 10:18 AM by Blogstalker
reply to post by SideWynder



Good question. And why does it seem to be only posed to Americans, and then presumed to be a bad thing.

As many have said, and I agree, I don't agree with every policy the US makes but I do think we have a great standard of life. Crime, ignorance and bigotry happen all over the world not just the US.

And why do so many people in and out of the US refer to the ultimate goal as the "American dream"


reply posted on 11-10-2008 @ 10:19 AM by Mintwithahole.
reply to post by SideWynder



Americans do seem to be easily manipulated. Thousands of them could storm the Whitehouse ready to hang Bush from the nearest lampost but as soon as Georgie started chanting, USA, USA, USA, they would all join in and forget why they were there in the first place.
In the UK there is a similar condition amongst some who support royalty. People who still stand up for the playing of the national anthem, etc, but it is not as rife as in America.


reply posted on 11-10-2008 @ 10:39 AM by MorningStar8741
reply to post by Mintwithahole.



Really, things like Fox news and talk radio have really created two distinct mindsets in America. One seems to be blindly loyal to the biggest enemy of their own self interests.
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