I have to live on WHAT?!, page 1
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Topic started on 10-10-2008 @ 06:47 PM by whatukno
$72.74 a week! Thats right, $72.74 a week that's what I get to try and eek by on every week after child support is taken out of my check. Isn't that just so nice of them?

I make currently $8.50 an hour at my lovely job in Detroit. I work a 40 hour week. Which comes to a gross taxable income of $340.00 per week. Then the government gets it's grubby hands on my paltry pay taking $25.90 for Federal, FICA for $21.08 & again for $4.93 (farg if I know why FICA is taken out twice) Michigan get's it's share of $11.86 and Detroit makes you pay a city tax of $4.93 (God knows why they make you pay an income tax in this hell hole)

So at the end of all the taxes and FICA and stuff I get left with a measly $271.30

Then Whoo hoo Child support starts in too. Now I agree I have to pay for supporting my son. (Even though I never get to see him or even talk to him on the phone) Now I had asked Florida to start taking it out of my checks here for the last two months. So they finally get up to Michigan and Michigan is going to take $198.56 out of each and every check, leaving me with $72.74 per week to live on.

And you girls on this board wonder why I'm so negative sometimes?

So I email the person in charge of this horror show and am awaiting to see if I get any glimmer of hope in trying to petition the court to try and reduce this fiasco so that I might have a chance at earning a living. Again, I agree, children should be supported by parents, I do owe child support for my son and should pay it. But at the same time do I not deserve to at least be able to keep enough to live on?

$72.74, man I would love to see the judge live off of $72.74 a week.


reply posted on 11-10-2008 @ 01:18 AM by Illusionsaregrander
I dont know for certain, but it seems as if in your post you were saying that part of the reason you are paying so much is that you got behind somehow. You said you had asked them to take it out of your check, but they didnt, and I am guessing you didnt just set the money you knew you owed aside for when they surely would come asking for it.

Will the amount adjust down again once you make up the back payments?

Can you take a second job in the meanwhile? I certainly would. Hard to live on that amount per month.

Or, since you cannot afford a lawyer, contact legal aid and have them help you take her to court to get visitation. You certainly seem like you would qualify by income.

I do not think the system is inherently unfair to men. I grew up surrounded by children and mothers who got NO child support. The courts had to step in and get aggressive because too many guys were skipping out and refusing to pay.

While there are times and situations where the law does come down hard on people, like you, and I do feel for you, if anyone has to suffer in this situation it should be the parents, not the child. And, since you are the non custodial parent, that means you. My sympathies lie with the children in the case of divorces, not either of the parents. No matter how much the parents suffer, the kid is the one who really pays.

www.fathers-rights.com...

Here is a website that may give you some idea how to go about getting a lawyer and perhaps getting your child support adjusted or enforcing visitation, although moving to another state will probably not reinforce the idea that you wanted more visitation.


Edit to add;

An even better site that may help you get lower support payments. I just noticed the other one charges for stuff. This one offers free help.

family-law.freeadvice.com...


[edit on 11-10-2008 by Illusionsaregrander]


reply posted on 11-10-2008 @ 02:42 AM by whatukno
reply to post by Illusionsaregrander



I did get behind, the reason was because I was homeless, jobless and pretty much destitute.

Once I do make up the back payments the amount as it stands now goes down to about $600.00 per month which still leaves me with trying to live off of $500.00 per month.

Yes I know living in another state does look bad, (I don't really know why it matters, when I lived in Florida she wouldn't let me see him for over a year anyway, but I moved so I could not have to live in a homeless shelter, and actually get a job. Once I had a job I started paying regularly, voluntaraly what I knew the amount was that I was supposed to be paying. I have been in contact with CSE in Florida to get the income deduction order enforced and gave them the information for my job.

I didn't just skip out on paying, that's not it, I have gotten majorly behind because of being homeless and jobless, and I have to pay for that time I guess.

As far as a second job goes, I am looking, times are pretty rough in Michigan, I was fortunate to get this job as it is.

As far as suffering goes, from what I understand my ex's, new husband, makes a good enough income to where she does not have to work and gets to be a stay at home mom. While we were married she was the primary bread earner of the family. I don't know if they would take into account that now she is a stay at home mother, and not earning a wage into consideration if they were to adjust my support order, most likely it would increase my support owed because she could claim to not make any income.

As far as legal aide, my experiences with them has been terrible, when this whole thing started, I had primary custody of my son, (while she was dating the new guy) but they did not take into account that I had any bills to pay, they refused me based on income. (At the time I made $12.00 per hour) I seriously doubt they would help me now, they would come up with another excuse why I do not qualify for their assistance.

Father's rights is the biggest joke to hit humanity ever. Father's in general without money have NO RIGHTS. Plain and simple, I have absolutely no legal recourse unless I pay an attorney, even then the only thing that would happen is the court would request (not enforce with any ramifications) that she allow me to see my son.

She of course would refuse, I would again have to sue, nothing would happen, again I would have to sue, again nothing would happen, father's rights indeed. That is just a waste of time I don't have, and money obviously I don't have.

My only real recourse is to hire a lawyer (that I don't have the money to do) and sue to reduce the amount of child support that I have to pay. I would still be obligated for the back support even though it could be proven I didn't earn enough of an income to pay it. (read: any)

Poor fathers have no rights. That's the plain and simple of the matter. We just don't have any. Groups like www.fathers-rights.com... are a waste to people that have no money to begin with.

Hell if the court wouldn't do anything about the 4 months I actually had full parental rights to my son where she (at the advice of her attorney) refused to let me see him (a felony). What makes the court care now that I only have visitation rights? Hell, they would just let her attorney create the amended stipulations, the judge would sign off on it, and I would be in the same exact boat I'm in now.

Father's rights I only have the right to pay, pay, pay. Thats the only right I have. Other than that, I have no rights. NONE, ZIP, ZILCH, NADA.



reply posted on 11-10-2008 @ 10:07 AM by hsur2112
Wuk, I'm really sorry that you are having such a hard time right now. And you have every right to rant. It is really, really unfair that you should have to pay that much support and not even get to see and talk to your son. I don't know what your visitation agreement is with the courts, but I can't beleive that she's getting away with not fulfilling her part of it. My experience has been that if one parent is ordered to drive halfway across the country to meet the other parent so many times a year to fulfill visitation (or whatever the situation) then they'd better do it, that's not taken lightly here. Same with phone calls, etc. They take visitation violations pretty serious in my area.

So in the meantime, my advice is that your second job right now needs to be either looking for a better paying job or a second job. I can tell that you are a hard worker, you have fantastic communication skills and you are very intelligent. Whether or not it's 'under the table' or whatever is certainly a factor to consider. My brother is going through the same sort of situation, although his kids are older and instead of child support, per say, he is paying for their college educaiton. He recently lost his job as an IT Specialist, but within two weeks of pounding the pavement he found a job out of town until something better comes along....as a brick-layer. It's a crappy job, hard work, but it's paying his bills and taking care of the kids.

Don't sell yourself short, wuk. I know that you will overcome this, but it may take a lot of really hard work. Even if you can just make enough at a second job to get the ball rolling on a lawyer I think that it would be worth it.

So don't give up, be diligent!

Rush


reply posted on 16-10-2008 @ 08:35 PM by Thurisaz
reply to post by whatukno




is it the same in USA as it is in AU, that if you get another job and earn extra $, you will be assessed on that also?

how are you going to manage on that amount of money?

At first I thought, get a second job but if that is means tested then I am not sure what to suggest...



reply posted on 20-10-2008 @ 02:53 PM by whatukno
reply to post by ReiSethimus



I work in a crappy hotel in downtown Detroit.

This part is no one's fault but mine, I have gone from hotel to hotel working the same dead end front desk jobs most of my life. So after the divorce I had to start over yet again.

So the deal is that I have to go to one building and pay money I don't have to get a hearing to beg to get my child support lowered. If they grant it great, but there is a chance that they won't and I will be stuck paying this.
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