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posted on Oct, 22 2008 @ 03:29 PM
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Originally posted by magicmushroom
Face the facts the ongoing situation in the US will see its removal from the superpower stage to one of a regional power especially when the NAU comes into being because as such the USA will cease to exist.


The fact is, nothing even comes close to us. Thats a fact, even when were in a period of flux. We spend half of what the world does every year on defense. The world spends 1.5 trillion and half of that is the United States.

As far as cheap food is concerned, America does a a great job feeding not only herself but other nations of the world.

America has cheap food because of the American farmer and we lead the world in producing food for other nations.


America's farmers are the world's most productive. Today, each U.S. farmer produces food and fiber for 144 people.


www.fb.org...

America has weathered many many recessions. More then one depression, and even during those years, we were a super power to be dealt with.

We are addressing the ills of history. This is how anything gets changed. You see a problem and address it. Americas press engines and opinions are so plentiful that any person reading our daily newspapers would think our nation is on the verge of collapse over the last 40 years.

We don't let it get us down. In the face of all disenchantment, America is still a bastion for freedom, a shining star for opportunity, a safe haven for freedom, and desirable place to live, regarded world wide.

Peace


[edit on 22-10-2008 by HIFIGUY]




posted on Oct, 23 2008 @ 02:34 AM
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Clearly you know nothing about technology, or how technology is developed. You should learn the story of how the first integrated circuit was first developed.


clearly you don't have a clue do you ??
read on how integrated circuit was made by degreed engineers

The integrated circuit was conceived by a radar scientist, Geoffrey W.A. Dummer (1909-2002), working for the Royal Radar Establishment of the British Ministry of Defence, and published at the Symposium on Progress in Quality Electronic Components in Washington, D.C. on May 7, 1952.[1] He gave many symposiums publicly to propagate his ideas. Dummer unsuccessfully attempted to build such a circuit in 1956. The integrated circuit was independently co-invented by Jack Kilby of Texas Instruments[2] and Robert Noyce of Fairchild Semiconductor [3] around the same time. Kilby recorded his initial ideas concerning the integrated circuit in July 1958 and successfully demonstrated the first working integrated circuit on September 12, 1958.
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read on the G.W.A dummer , a degreed scientist

G.W.A. Dummer was born in Hull. Yorkshire, England, 25 February 1909, and educated at Sale High School and Manchester College of Technology. His first job was with Mullard Radio Valve Company in 1931 examining defective valves returned by customers to establish the cause of failure, the company’s aim being to attribute the cause to rough handling to avoid having to supply free replacements. Technicians were expected to process up to 1000 valves per day.
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Jack Kilby , another degreed engineer :

Kilby received his bachelor of science degree from the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign where he is an honorary member of the Acacia fraternity. In 1947, he received a degree in Electrical Engineering. He obtained his master of science in Electrical Engineering from the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee in 1950, while simultaneously working at Centralab in Milwaukee.
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Robert Noyce was born in Burlington, Iowa to Ralf and Harriet Noyce. He graduated with a BA in physics from Grinnell College in 1949 and a Ph.D. in physics from Massachusetts Institute of Technology in 1953.
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all those who created the integrated circuit WERE DEGREED ENGINEERS ...




Opressive societies like China will never dominate technology, because innovation requires free thinking, and oppressive societies smoother free thinkers. Russia has gone from communism to extreme capitalism.


another crap arguement as dutring 19th century a lot of tech progress happened in oppressive socities like Britian,France and Germany which were monarchies then ..




You make this argument that if any nation on Earth has technology that competes with the U.S., then that is proof that the U.S. is falling apart, and that is a nonsense argument.


has tech to compete ???

did you read what Mr.David Walker ,comptroller general of USA said



Congrats to the Russians, they dominate Dakar, but that is a long ways from them being able to claim that they make the best trucks in the world, because they don't.


Dakar rally officials have given Kamaz that title , not Rusian govt




Your argument that because this country competes with the U.S. on this, and that country competes with the U.S. on that, is proof that the U.S. has lost it, is nonsense. The U.S. is only a small percentage of the worlds population. We can't be the best at everthing, and just because we are not the best at everything doesn't mean that we, as a nation, are dead.


go read what Mr.David Walker,comptroller general of USA said



posted on Oct, 26 2008 @ 10:56 AM
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What microprocessor is in your computer? What microprocessors are in most of the world's computers? Where did Noyce get his idea for how to solve the problem of developing an Effective integrated circuit that could be reproduced and mass produced?

When you find out the the answer to this question, you will be on your way grasshopper.

The people who develop the ideas and come up with the insights, and the people who get the credit are often not always the same people.

Brittain was a constitutional monarchy, with a PM who held the real reigns of power. People of the Western Euripean nations had more freedoms in the nineteenth century than people in China have today in the 21st century. In the nineteenth century the U.S., the worlds most democratic nation, lead the way in the development of technology. The Western Europeans were a close second, but always just behind.

The U.S. remains the worlds technology leader. While other nations compete, the U.S. still remains in the lead. All the evidence provided shows this to still be true.



posted on Oct, 26 2008 @ 11:03 AM
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posted on Oct, 26 2008 @ 11:31 AM
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The sky as falling the sky is falling!
*runs around frantically*

Enough with the drama.

Let us look at the big picture here.

We had a major depression. Then we had a whole heck of a lot of innovation, we came out on top.

We are having a major recession. We are going to have a whole heck of a lot of innovation, and we are going to come out on top.

As for getting rid of big homes, and SUV and cheap goods?

about damn time i say. Go back to quality over quantity.Start getting more out of life. People will stop having their souls, minds, and bodies ruled by garbage and material things.

Smaller homes and condensed neighborhoods will mean we will know our neighbors again.

Getting rid of material positions means we will stop working for junk and find ourselves, pick up some new hobbies. Stop being sick with worry.
People are gonna learn that having less is actually freeing.Instead of keeping up with the joneses it is going to see who is more wise?I already see people competein on who can save more gas and energy.

Finding alternatives to oil is inspiriing creativity, inspiration , and competition to see who comes up with the best alternative first.

This isn't the end, just the beginning. Yes, the growing pains hurt. But like before, there is good reason.

The idea that a country is going to crash and burn just because of a recession is just infantile. And everyone is just propagating their own feeding frenzy.

And it shows we need to spend more time on economics in school.



posted on Oct, 26 2008 @ 12:56 PM
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Poet you said "Most people in the U.S. would rather see a large decline in world trade, not a large increase"

So I asked you do you speak for the American people and no you do not. The first people to really suffer in the current circumsatnces are those who have been suffering for generations e.g. the people of the third World, those very people who live on handouts whilst the perps rob them blind.


Material things do matter, it is those basic items of life that we all need to survive to state otherwise is just stupid. America and its people will not disapear but the current way of life and the corruption endemic in your society will change hopefully for the better.

And I have a good grip on reality, far more than Americans who claim to be living in a bubble and living a dream. Well the bubble has burst and its time to stop dreaming and wake up to reality. Americans on the whole are uneducated to the real World and thats the difference for those who live outside of the bubble, we know what reality is, the average American dose not but he is starting to see the picture.



posted on Oct, 26 2008 @ 02:47 PM
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World trade works against U.S. workers, and not for them, and that is why most Americans in the U.S. are not for the current world trade situation. This is a public opinion that can be looked up.

As far as corruption in the U.S.. Corruption in third world countries is far worse. That is why most of the people in third world nations are so poor, and the IC's like international trade because it allows them to take advantage of the oppressive governments of the third world to get slave wage labor rates.

Your dislike of the people of the U.S. is very badly misplaced. Most U.S. people realize that world trade works against them, and have only reluctantly supported it in the hope that wages would rise in the third world, and the people there would live better lives. We are constantly bomdarded with pictures of poor starving kids in third world nations, asking for charity. Unfortunately, too much of the charity winds up enriching the oppressive governments, and increasing their ability to oppress the people and keep them poor.

Sorry, but you don't have a realistic picture of the root of the problems we are going through. The whole blame the U.S. effort is ridiculous.



posted on Oct, 26 2008 @ 03:58 PM
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Poet, I have not blammed the US for anything, and who said I dislike the American people. I have family and friends in American, just because I state truths about the US and its citizens dose not equate to I hate America and Americans. Try to see that what is happening to American and its people is more important than your pride or patriotism.



posted on Nov, 4 2008 @ 05:22 AM
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When you find out the the answer to this question, you will be on your way grasshopper. The people who develop the ideas and come up with the insights, and the people who get the credit are often not always the same people.


proof ??



rittain was a constitutional monarchy, with a PM who held the real reigns of power. People of the Western Euripean nations had more freedoms in the nineteenth century


wrong, women did not have right to vote till 1920 in UK ans as for freedoms , nah UK was a raciist and imperialist nation , and yes , voting rights were only available to rich and land holders in 1880 and , so technically UK was a plutocracy and china , though dictatorship is better as it has lifted hundreds of millions out of poverty ,unlike UK which enriched itself on the basis of murders of millions of asians and africans ......


Suffrage in the United Kingdom was slowly changed over the course of the 19th and 20th centuries to allow universal suffrage through the use of the Reform Acts and the Representation of the People Acts.

* Reform Act 1832 - extended voting rights to adult males who rented propertied land of a certain value, so allowing 1 in 7 males in the UK voting rights
* Reform Act 1867 - enfranchised all male householders, so increasing male suffrage to the United Kingdom
* Representation of the People Act 1884 - amended the Reform Act of 1867 so that it would apply equally to the countryside; this brought the voting population to 5,500,000, although 40% of males were still disenfranchised, whilst women could not vote
* Between 1885-1918 moves were made by the suffragette movement to ensure votes for women. However, the duration of the First World War stopped this reform movement. See also The Parliamentary Franchise in the United Kingdom 1885-1918.
* Representation of the People Act 1918 - the consequences of World War I convinced the government to expand the right to vote, not only for the many men who fought in the war who were disenfranchised, but also for the women who helped in the factories and elsewhere as part of the war effort. Property restrictions for voting were lifted for men, who could vote at 21; however women's votes were given with these property restrictions, and were limited to those over 30 years old. This raised the electorate from 7.7 million to 21.4 million with women making up 40% of the electorate. Seven percent of the electorate had more than one vote. The first election with this system was the United Kingdom general election, 1918
* Representation of the People Act 1928 - this made women's voting rights equal with men, with voting possible at 21 with no property restrictions
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The U.S. remains the worlds technology leader. While other nations compete, the U.S. still remains in the lead. All the evidence provided shows this to still be true


on the contrary , evidence differs from what you say, the tech advantage of USA is diminshed and being eroded ,



posted on Nov, 4 2008 @ 05:35 AM
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I have already provided a list of some of the greatest inventors of all time who did not graduate from college, how much more proof do you need?

Tell, when did people in China, male or female, first get their right to vote? Do they even have a right to vote for a representative of their choice to this very day?

While our tech advantage may be eroding, even by your own admission, we are still on top. The reality is that the tech race has always been very close. Now the competition is getting even stiffer, with all the billions from China and India catching up, and Europe coming together. If the U.S. can maintain a technological lead against such odds, it will be a tremendous feat.



posted on Nov, 4 2008 @ 05:36 AM
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Hey, I have often admitted that the U.S. has numerous problems. I certainly didn't vote for GW, or support the Iraqi invasion, but I will not stand by while my country is unfairly bashed.



posted on Nov, 4 2008 @ 06:05 AM
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I have already provided a list of some of the greatest inventors of all time who did not graduate from college, how much more proof do you need?


some of the , and one of your initial claims was that most of high tech inventions of 20 th century were not degreed engineers , which of course you have no proof and disproved, as many of inventions were by degreed engineers
like the microprocessor example


While our tech advantage may be eroding, even by your own admission, we are still on top. The reality is that the tech race has always been very close. Now the competition is getting even stiffer, with all the billions from China and India catching up, and Europe coming together. If the U.S. can maintain a technological lead against such odds, it will be a tremendous feat.


don'tworry , US education system is failing miserably and needs immigrants , sooner or later , USA will no longer be a technologically advanced nation and its no big deal , after you reap what you sow , your Tv preaches promiscusity, decadence etc . instead of virtues of hard work ,resilience, preservance ,education etc. the population is dumbed down and the nation is bound to fail .
read Vico's theory of nations



posted on Nov, 4 2008 @ 06:48 AM
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to me it seems like it went something like this:

1. we had a cold war with the soviets and the soviets won.

2. as part and parcel of the war, our universities were infiltrated by socialists and communists who sought to influence our political arena at the grass roots, during the education process. from here they built their power base, and only supported those who agreed with their ideals. this base included lawyers, doctors, judges, film stars, music stars, reporters, media students, movie makers, and authors of various caliber.

3. they fostered the riots and various protests during the 60's, the sexual revolution and encouraged the introduction of every type of religion, except abrahamic faiths, into the mainstream, via any outlet at their disposal.

4. they played on the idealism, impatience, hormones and naivete of the young people, to generate a whole counter culture, opposite to the one established for the nation since the nation was founded.

5. they began to institute socialistic programs, which required the raising of taxes. the taxes eventually became so burdensome that business owners and corporations were no longer willing to support candidates pledges. to counter act this, republicans started offering them incentives. one such incentive, agreed upon by both parties was NAFTA which provided the corporations a way to continue making large sums of money at the cost of higher taxes and fewer jobs.

6. our industrial base was dismantled and sent overseas and over our borders, because the federal government had eaten up the profit margins with taxes and various permits penalities and so on, so the monies could be redistributed to the poor, which if you've ever applied for government assistance, you know is nearly impossible to get.

7. so is born the service economy which is quickly being shipped over seas as well. the gas company has people in india answer their phone calls. those jobs were taken away from americans, so the gas company could save money and not pass the additional expense on to the consumer, from all the taxes the gas company has to pay the federal government.


now, obama wants us all to ride the bus or already be making alot of money and pay alot of money, whichever happens to be our lot in life now because it isn't likely to improve in a system where small business or any business for that matter, is somewhere other than here.
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posted on Nov, 4 2008 @ 07:54 AM
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Actually I provided considerable proof that most of the worlds greatest inventors were not college eductated, but ignoring the evidence seems to be your main technique.

The U.S. education system has always been failing miserably. See my point above, and yet we always manage to stay on top.

Mod Edit: No need for the personal attacks, have editted them out - Cheers

[edit on 9-11-2008 by alien]



posted on Nov, 4 2008 @ 07:56 AM
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Sure, the Soviets won the cold war, and that is why they abandoned communism, and huge portions of territory. That is what winners do, give up massive amounts of real estate.

Sure.



posted on Nov, 4 2008 @ 11:11 AM
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the 'American Way Of Life' has to include the automobile...


the former way of 'muscle cars' 'SUVs" and rapid style obsolesence
needs to be put into the Museum of history...


we Americans need to take a page from India, especially Tata Motors,
who developed the 2 cylinder, 4 wheel auto for the 'people'..
its called 'Nano'...appox 3 m long 1.5 m high 1.5 m wide, seats four adults
and provides economical movement of workers & shoppers.


google up: Tata Motors, 'Nano' vehicle

[edit on 4-11-2008 by St Udio]



posted on Nov, 4 2008 @ 12:54 PM
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Actually I provided considerable proof that most of the worlds greatest inventors were not college eductated, but ignoring the evidence seems to be your main technique.


only some , not most , most are college educated and degreed and evidence says so .



The U.S. education system has always been failing miserably. See my point above, and yet we always manage to stay on top. You seem to suffer from the delusion of believing theory and ignoring reality. Lots of people suffer from the same affliction.


thats due to wealth of USA, that bright talented immigrants would come , well , anyways that will stop happening in the near future , anyways your education system has failed you , and will be responsible for the fall of USA
reality shows that USA is heading to be a third world nation , while China is rising to become a second world nation

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posted on Nov, 4 2008 @ 01:00 PM
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Originally posted by St Udio
the 'American Way Of Life' has to include the automobile...


the former way of 'muscle cars' 'SUVs" and rapid style obsolesence
needs to be put into the Museum of history...



Never, the only way to take my GTO away is to pry it from my cold, dead
hands.



posted on Nov, 4 2008 @ 02:34 PM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on Nov, 4 2008 @ 02:55 PM
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Seems to me that since the U.S. has been overflooded with overly educated immigrants over the last twenty years has been the period in which our technology has faltered. Isn't that your whole argument, that the U.S. is currently losing it. You might want to consider that the huge flood of immigrants over the last twenty years is the problem. Immigration has greatly aided the drunken power mad, overly educated fools who have managed to claw their way to the top, in repressing the people and the spirit of the U.S..

Sure, the U.S. attracts the best and the brightest from around the world, this has been the case since the U.S. developed as the worlds first representative government, and carved the greatest nation out of the wilderness. The fertilizer of our freedom grew our culture into one admired around the globe, and our technological development took over world leadership, before we became the dream of people around the globe. This is why our culture is immitated around the world. In the U.S. you can be an individual, not some pressed and stamped product of some university system with barely an original thought in your head.

The freedoms and the individualism of the U.S. is what made us the shining beacon of hope for the planet, what made the U.S. rise so far above all the other nations that developed in the Americas, and made us rise above all other nations on Earth. It is the culture.



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