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reply posted on 10-10-2008 @ 06:30 PM by sos37

Originally posted by southern_Guardian
And let me just add, Obama never disenfranchised ANY voters, there are no lies, there are no corruption from the Obama camp. Just rightwinger smear tactics, again. After the LIES and CORRUPTION from the Republicans in the 2000 elections and over these last 8years, you should talk last

That's patently untrue, as I've shown in the Stanley Kurtz example. The Obama camp called into the radio show and demanded to have Kurtz silenced. How is that a smear tactic when it is the truth? There are even MP3s of the broadcast on the links I posted! Go and listen to them yourself.

reply posted on 10-10-2008 @ 06:47 PM by jsobecky

reply to post by Grafilthy

Originally posted by Grafilthy

"Small" business is relative isn't it??? What would you consider a small business?

There are actual gov't standards:

The Small Business Act states that a small business concern is "one that is independently owned and operated and which is not dominant in its field of operation." The law also states that in determining what constitutes a small business, the definition will vary from industry to industry to reflect industry differences accurately. SBA's Small Business Size Regulations implement the Small Business Act's mandate to SBA. SBA has also established a table of size standards, matched to North American Industry Classification System (NAICS) industries.

When the U.S. Congress first established SBA, the fundamental question was just what numerical definition should SBA use to define small businesses, industry by industry, to determine what businesses were eligible for SBA's programs. Over the years SBA has established and revised numerical definitions for all for-profit industries, and this numerical definition is called a "size standard." It is almost always stated either as the number of employees or average annual receipts of a business concern.

www.sba.gov...

Would they still be in the top 1% of income earners?

Very, very doubtful. There may be an exception or two, but they would be rare.

Are there any LAWS pertaining to these businesses HAVING to create jobs once they receive their tax breaks? Or can they theoretically just KEEP the money they save?

The truth about small businesses is that they are in extreme competition. They have to constantly deliver a product better, faster, or cheaper in order to differentiate themselves and to attract customers.

Static businesses die out. They need to grow, and in order to grow, they need more, qualified employees.

reply posted on 10-10-2008 @ 06:48 PM by davion

Originally posted by sos37
That's patently untrue, as I've shown in the Stanley Kurtz example. The Obama camp called into the radio show and demanded to have Kurtz silenced. How is that a smear tactic when it is the truth? There are even MP3s of the broadcast on the links I posted! Go and listen to them yourself.

So a bunch of people that support Obama calling into a radio show to annoy people is disenfranchising voters?

reply posted on 10-10-2008 @ 06:55 PM by Jemison

reply to post by sos37

Time to concede defeat, is what I'm thinking.

The election is still 3 weeks away and you are talking about conceding? Do you always give up so easily?

Last summer McCain was written out off as even having a shot at the nomination and he came from behind and won the nomination.

It's not over and to be throwing in the towel makes no sense.

Jemison

reply posted on 10-10-2008 @ 06:58 PM by southern_Guardian

reply to post by davion

Thats the case Davion... its just beyond me how many of the righties think. All talk, no walk when it comes to these accusations.

reply posted on 10-10-2008 @ 07:08 PM by ofhumandescent

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reply posted on 10-10-2008 @ 07:53 PM by jam321

reply to post by ofhumandescent

Seems like what you said can be describe the last 30 or 40 years of our history.

How long have people been without healthcare?
How long have we had poverty?
How long have we had foreclosures?
How long have businesses gotten the best end of the deal?

How long have we been lied to an manipulated?
How long have our education system sucked?
How long have our freedoms been ripped away?
How long has social security been promised to be fixed?

to think Obama will fix this problem- wishful thinking
to think Congress will help Obama fix these problems- unbelievable

to blame the last 8 years for these problems- senseless

the ability to do research and recognize the truth- PRICELESS

reply posted on 10-10-2008 @ 08:46 PM by jsobecky

reply to post by davion

Tell me how that is any different than this:

New Hampshire Republicans Going To Jail

by Chris Bowers, Mon Apr 04, 2005 at 04:01:57 PM EST
In 2002, John Sununu narrowly defeated Jean Shaheen in the New Hampshire Senate contest by less than 20,000 votes. Far less discussed are the dirty tricks Republicans played in the campaign on Election Day to jam up Democratic GOTV efforts. Already, four Republican operatives have been indicted in a case brought by Federal Prosecutors on the subject. Here's the story:
CONCORD, N.H. -- A fourth man has been charged with taking part in a Republican scheme to jam Democrats' get-out-the-vote phone lines on Election Day 2002.

Shaun Hansen, of Spokane, Wash., headed a former telemarketing company that placed hundreds of hang-up calls to five phone lines run by Democrats and one run by the Manchester firefighters union.(...)

www.mydd.com...

reply posted on 10-10-2008 @ 09:25 PM by sos37

Well, there is some hope on the ACORN front:

The co-chairman of the McCain advisory team in charge of monitoring alleged voter fraud, former Missouri Sen. John Danforth, hinted this week at potential post-Nov. 4 litigation if Obama wins due to suspect voters who had been registered by ACORN. “The contest could go on for a very long time,” he told reporters.

and we know Obama is tied to them:

Obama has long had ties to ACORN. In 1995, he was one of the attorneys who represented the group in a suit against the state of Illinois for not implementing the federal "Motor Voter" law which makes it easier for people to register as voters. And the ACORN political action committee has endorsed Obama.

www.msnbc.msn.com...

Obama has not declined their endorsement even though they've been caught red-handed with fraudulent voter registrations in Nevada.

reply posted on 10-10-2008 @ 09:26 PM by sos37

Originally posted by davion

Originally posted by sos37
That's patently untrue, as I've shown in the Stanley Kurtz example. The Obama camp called into the radio show and demanded to have Kurtz silenced. How is that a smear tactic when it is the truth? There are even MP3s of the broadcast on the links I posted! Go and listen to them yourself.

So a bunch of people that support Obama calling into a radio show to annoy people is disenfranchising voters?

Uh no - please go back and read what I've been saying.

A bunch of people calling into a radio show at the direction of the Obama campaign to suppress first amendment rights.

Big difference.

[edit on 10-10-2008 by sos37]

reply posted on 10-10-2008 @ 09:32 PM by sos37

Originally posted by southern_Guardian
reply to post by davion

Thats the case Davion... its just beyond me how many of the righties think. All talk, no walk when it comes to these accusations.

Quite the opposite. It shows you 'lefties' only know how to do two things - deny reality and blame others for your mistakes.

There's plenty stacked up against Obama that should have people not even giving this man the time of day as far as a candidate.

What drives you "lefties" is your extreme hatred for the current administration. Need we remind you that aside from the Iraq war, the country wasn't doing so badly until the Democrats took the majority in Congress two years ago. Then your party really screwed this nation all to hell and did a great job making it look like it was all Bush's fault.

reply posted on 10-10-2008 @ 11:02 PM by Grafilthy

reply to post by sos37

Quite the opposite. It shows you 'lefties' only know how to do two things - deny reality and blame others for your mistakes. There's plenty stacked up against Obama that should have people not even giving this man the time of day as far as a candidate. What drives you "lefties" is your extreme hatred for the current administration. Need we remind you that aside from the Iraq war, the country wasn't doing so badly until the Democrats took the majority in Congress two years ago. Then your party really screwed this nation all to hell and did a great job making it look like it was all Bush's fault.

The reason why we "lefties" (and by the way you are referring to a lot more than the hardcore left) are so mad.....has everything to do with the fact that I just lost 40% of my 401k......and all you guys want to talk about is Bill Ayres.

I do think this election would be a good time to concede the damage caused to our country as a whole at the hands of a neo-con agenda. Maybe by admitting the mistakes that have been made.....and trying to find a solution, we can become one country again. We are all Americans you know. We might think a little different......but we are in the same boat.
Grafilthy.

[edit on 10-10-2008 by Grafilthy]

reply posted on 11-10-2008 @ 12:16 AM by AndrewTB

Originally posted by Grafilthy
reply to post by sos37

Quite the opposite. It shows you 'lefties' only know how to do two things - deny reality and blame others for your mistakes. There's plenty stacked up against Obama that should have people not even giving this man the time of day as far as a candidate. What drives you "lefties" is your extreme hatred for the current administration. Need we remind you that aside from the Iraq war, the country wasn't doing so badly until the Democrats took the majority in Congress two years ago. Then your party really screwed this nation all to hell and did a great job making it look like it was all Bush's fault.

The reason why we "lefties" (and by the way you are referring to a lot more than the hardcore left) are so mad.....has everything to do with the fact that I just lost 40% of my 401k......and all you guys want to talk about is Bill Ayres.

I do think this election would be a good time to concede the damage caused to our country as a whole at the hands of a neo-con agenda. Maybe by admitting the mistakes that have been made.....and trying to find a solution, we can become one country again. We are all Americans you know. We might think a little different......but we are in the same boat.
Grafilthy.

[edit on 10-10-2008 by Grafilthy]

If you think Neo-cons are bad just wait until the lazy Neo-libs have controll of the entire political arena. If obama is elected and congress becomes veto proof we are doomed as americans. The framers worked long and hard to have a system that keeps itself in check.

How can we become country when the entire political system is close to becoming democratically (party) led? If anything its going to divide us. Im certain the democratically led congress approval rating of 13% will transfer over to the white house if Barry is elected. Only time will tell. We are close to flushing the toilet and america is sitting right in it on part of neo-libs.

One last thing.... Look at all the current big ticket issues and show me how they really got started. I hate Bush, but you will see he and his cabinet have very little to do with the current situations, despite all the libs wanting to put the blame there.

reply posted on 11-10-2008 @ 09:37 AM by thedman

Most of the polls showing OBAMA up by 10 or 15 are BOGUS! They are
resulting of manipulation - sampling democrats at 50% of electorate
Republicians at 27%. Years of results have shown the traditional spread
between two major parties is 3-4%. in 2004 it was 39-39 dem/rep

Most pollsters usually have mix of 37-39 dem, 32-34 rep, 27-30 indep

Also there is difference between REGISTERED voters vs LIKELY voters -
a good poll will go for Likely simply because they will get off their ass
and vote. Some include leaners in their totals - again if not sure
which way will vote not likely to vote.

Looks like it attempt by media to predetermine outcome and force
Obama down our throats

Again if dont know sampling technique then don t beleive the poll

reply posted on 11-10-2008 @ 10:21 AM by GamerGal

reply to post by AndrewTB

Checks and balances? You mean like when the GOP Controlled Everything and drove the country into the groud? Yeah, we need the GOP in control of everything again. Anyways, McCain will cut taxes on top 1%, raise them on anyone with healthcare, send you off to die in Iran and Iraq. Also, on his 5,000 dollar plan? Oops, you don't actually get it, it goes straight to the insurance company, leaving you to pay the taxes on 5,000 dollars that you never actually got to see or touch.

reply posted on 11-10-2008 @ 10:23 AM by Office 4256

Originally posted by Clearskies
Not saying it wouldn't happen with Mccain or his successors(eventually), but, is this what we're going to see?
Because I won't sing the praises with everyone else.

YouTube Link

Your post is sort of sad. It reminds me of my father, who died at age 81 in 2001. For him, America stopped about 1965 and after that, nothing really made sense to him anymore. In twenty years, America may look much more like a giant version of the Netherlands than the America of the 1950s, and that's fine with me. Demographics are changing, and we can't go back.

reply posted on 11-10-2008 @ 10:37 AM by jimmyx

look... mccain just has to generate more fear... he's been way behind on scaring the hell out of everybody. every good republican should go door to door and ratchet up all the fear they can muster. oh, and for all of you women republicans, make sure you wink alot when you talk.

reply posted on 11-10-2008 @ 11:02 AM by tracer

After what the last administration has done to our Constitutional Rights...how can you even begin to make a statement about what Obama may do in that regard...Im still shaking my head over that statement....

Originally posted by sos37
To the other McCain supporters - are we ready to concede yet? Gallup has Obama at 52% to McCain's 41% (www.gallup.com...) and they also projected him as the winner of the second debate.

As much as I distrust Obama and I KNOW he's defrauded the public with regard to his past and his questionable affiliations, the American public has spoken loud and clear that they don't care about those issues. They don't care that Obama stands for socialism and removal of Constitutional rights. Obama supporters are like these investors - they want instant gratification. I really believe Obama supporters believe that as soon as he takes office that things will just magically get better. We know better. We know they are in for a rude awakening.

Time to concede defeat, is what I'm thinking. Let's just admit that (unless there's a late breaking scandal) Obama has this race wrapped up, brace ourselves for four years of horrible times and pray to God that in 2012 the Republican people are smart enough to nominate someone that's actually interesting in change for the better.

reply posted on 11-10-2008 @ 12:12 PM by kettlebellysmith

reply to post by jam321

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Seems like what you said can be describe the last 30 or 40 years of our history.

How long have people been without healthcare?
How long have we had poverty?
How long have we had foreclosures?
How long have businesses gotten the best end of the deal?

How long have we been lied to an manipulated?
How long have our education system sucked?
How long have our freedoms been ripped away?
How long has social security been promised to be fixed?

to think Obama will fix this problem- wishful thinking
to think Congress will help Obama fix these problems- unbelievable

to blame the last 8 years for these problems- senseless

the ability to do research and recognize the truth- PRICELESS"

People have been "without healthcare" since the beginning of time. Medicar was started by Lyndon Johnson as a contiuation of FDR's new deal.Before that, health care was offered by some employers but not a lot.

Poverty: I quote the what many consider to be the the Son of God; "For you always have the poor with you" (Mark 14:7-Matthew 26:11)

Since there has been a banking system, long before the Great Depression. Foreclosure is a fact of life. Blame the bankers. And if you must blame a politcian, blame Clinton. He's the one who signed the repeal of Glass-Steagal.

Businesses don't pay taxes. You do. The taxes that businesses pay, even on their profits, get passes on to you, the consumer. It's just figured into the the final price.

You've been lied too and manipulated since there have been politicians. Especially since the New Deal Administration.

Our educational system has sucked since the Supreme Court decision that removed prayer from schools, effectively prohibiting the teaching of any moral standards in the schools. Now, schools teach relativism, which means that there is no right or wrong. As the old song says, "what is right for you, may not be right for me."

I haven't lost any rights, although I am fearful that I might. I worry about the freedom of speech and the right to bear arms.

I know that every President since Reagan has promised to fix it. But without the help of Congress, it can't be fixed. And even when Congress and the President have the Majority, they can't seem to reach a consensus.
(In truth, the system was broken from its inception. It was a gigantic Ponsi scheme, and FDR knew it.)

To the last four questions, no answer is required.

To those who doubt what I have commented on, then do your homework. We are looking at the third wave of socialism coming down on us like a tsunami.

reply posted on 11-10-2008 @ 12:20 PM by kettlebellysmith

To the OP!
I am not ready to concede. It ain't over till the fat lady sings, and she's just in the wings warming up!

The problem that McCain has is simply that he is an honorable man. It is difficult to be an honorable man and be in politics. I have faith that the American people will see through Obama's socialist schemes, and vote for the American Way!

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