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posted on Oct, 10 2008 @ 02:22 PM
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im so sick of this william ayers thing..... mention it again, and its trolling.



Smear groups and now a desperate McCain campaign are trying to connect Barack to William Ayers using age-old guilt by association techniques. Here’s the truth: the smear associating Barack to Ayers is “phony,” “tenuous,” – even “exaggerated at best if not outright false.” William Ayers is a professor of education at the University of Illinois at Chicago, with whom Barack served on the board of an education-reform organization in the mid-1990’s. According to the Associated Press, they are not close: “No evidence shows they were “pals” or even close when they worked on community boards years ago …” Smear groups and the McCain campaign are trying to connect Obama to acts Ayers committed 40 years ago – when Barack was just eight years old. Here’s what the New York Times reported on the connection: But the two men do not appear to have been close. Nor has Mr. Obama ever expressed sympathy for the radical views and actions of Mr. Ayers, whom he has called “somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago, when I was 8.” Barack has publicly denounced Ayers’ radical actions from the 1960’s: Senator Obama strongly condemns the violent actions of the Weathermen group, as he does all acts of violence. But he was an eight-year-old child when Ayers and the Weathermen were active, and any attempt to connect Obama with events of almost forty years ago is ridiculous.


truth


A review of records of the schools project and interviews with a dozen people who know both men, suggest that Mr. Obama, 47, has played down his contacts with Mr. Ayers, 63. But the two men do not appear to have been close. Nor has Mr. Obama ever expressed sympathy for the radical views and actions of Mr. Ayers, whom he has called “somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago, when I was 8.”

www.nytimes.com... html?_r=2&hp&oref=slogin&oref=slogin


Obama has said he ‘‘deplored’’ what Ayers did in the 1960s and that ‘‘by the time I met him, he is a professor of education at the University of Illinois. We served on a board together that had Republicans, bankers, lawyers, focused on education.

more truth




posted on Oct, 10 2008 @ 02:35 PM
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Originally posted by sos37
Originally posted by bknapple32


* How can you deny that his tax plan won't cause more harm? Doesn't it make sense that when you tax the job creating class, the added burden gets passed down the line to the middle and blue collar classes?



????

WHAT on earth do you think the ROOT cause of this economic catastrophe is???

It is the fact that the majority of AMERICANS are unable to keep up with inflation.

Foreclosures and bankruptcies are a symptom of this REALITY.

The illness is clear as a bell...

YOU live in a nation where one man has $450,000,000,000.00 in the bank.

and where the average citizen is lucky to have $10,000 saved.

The free market has been the guiding principal in our economic policy.

Every year the disparity slowly gets worse and worse and worse.

WHAT DO YOU suggest sir???

If this is not working CLEARLY, how will the same approach work anew?

This is a simple question of logic - please enlighten us...

Why will trickle down work NOW when it has been the guiding principal for
a long while and failed MISERABLY?!

Mod Edit: Fixed quote format.

[edit on 10/11/2008 by maria_stardust]



posted on Oct, 10 2008 @ 02:49 PM
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Its is scag turd toss BK...

This is reactionary and desperate.

These folks genuinely believe that OBAMA is some sort of Manchurian candidate sent from SATAN to reclaim the EARTH for DICK CHENYS conscience.

NOW we have absentee ballots that read BARACK OSAMA...

HUGO CHAVEZ
WILLIAM AYERS
WRIGHT
REZCO
ISLAMO FASCISM
SOCIALISM
COMMUNISM
TERRORISM
NWO
RAILA ODINGO
HOMOSEXUAL
FOREIGN NATIONAL
BLACK NATIONALISM

CHRIST when does OBAMA have the time to MAINTAIN all of this???

And WHY is it that many of these things contradict other things in the same list?

ISLAMO FASCISM and COMMUNISM????

LEFTIST TIES and FASCISTS TIES?

This is fear is overtaking logic...
THERE IS NO LOGIC or OBJECTIVITY being applied by the other half.
It's kill at all costs... The GOP has learned a very bad habit from the BUSH era...
Victory trumps ALL.



posted on Oct, 10 2008 @ 02:51 PM
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Originally posted by sos37

* How can you deny that his tax plan won't cause more harm? Doesn't it make sense that when you tax the job creating class, the added burden gets passed down the line to the middle and blue collar classes?



The "job creating class"???? If there is such a class in American society then they've pretty much had free reign for the last 25 years - ever since Reagan came out with that ridiculous economic dogma known then as "trickle-down economics". Giving tax breaks to the rich may indeed have led to a little bit of job creation - and the workers in China, India, and Mexico are very grateful for that. Didn't do much for American workers though except to push us even further into the economic abyss known as a service economy.

When it comes down to it the rich don't stay rich by letting go of their money. If you give a rich person free money he'll happily keep it and that is what has happened for way too long now.



posted on Oct, 10 2008 @ 02:53 PM
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HUGO CHAVEZ
WILLIAM AYERS
WRIGHT
REZCO
ISLAMO FASCISM
SOCIALISM
COMMUNISM
TERRORISM
NWO
RAILA ODINGO
HOMOSEXUAL
FOREIGN NATIONAL
BLACK NATIONALISM

You forgot his name. It is quite different.....and close to Osama and Saddam!?!?!? I think we all should be (very) concerned!



posted on Oct, 10 2008 @ 02:59 PM
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Originally posted by Grafilthy
reply to post by mental modulator
 



HUGO CHAVEZ
WILLIAM AYERS
WRIGHT
REZCO
ISLAMO FASCISM
SOCIALISM
COMMUNISM
TERRORISM
NWO
RAILA ODINGO
HOMOSEXUAL
FOREIGN NATIONAL
BLACK NATIONALISM

You forgot his name. It is quite different.....and close to Osama and Saddam!?!?!? I think we all should be (very) concerned!


ME 2!!!

It's like rejecting an album of music based upon the UPC code on the back...

Frankly I think we should be concerned about the concern itself.



posted on Oct, 10 2008 @ 03:13 PM
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Frankly I think we should be concerned about the concern itself.

Very.



posted on Oct, 10 2008 @ 03:26 PM
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You must not really support McCain if you are so willing to give up.

We still have almost a month until the election (a lifetime in politics). McCain has been left for dead more than once in terms of politics.

Now I will admit things don't look good, but knowing how things work, I wouldn't say there's anything to worry about until the day is the day after tomorrow.

Statistically the type of people supporting Obama almost never turn up. We will see if anything changes, but history tends to repeat itself.

The thing is people already know McCain, all Obama has to do is make a MINOR slip up and its neck and neck again.

Id say the odds of McCain winning are probably less than 50/50 at the time being, but again.... so very much can happen in just a week and we still have 3-4 to go.

McCain will win Florida and Ohio. Its Virginia that im worried about.

[edit on 10/10/2008 by AndrewTB]



posted on Oct, 10 2008 @ 03:47 PM
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"Don't count your chickens before they hatch"

During the 1988 election, Michael Dukakis led George Bush, Sr. by 17 pts in the opinion polls, before he lost to Bush in a landslide.



posted on Oct, 10 2008 @ 03:53 PM
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yeah, i wouldn't write mccain off until after the swearing in ceremony, GWB lost the election, twice, but that never stopped him. its the republican can do attitude.



posted on Oct, 10 2008 @ 04:41 PM
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There will be no conceeding to anything. Remember the days before the 2000 elections, remember the silent race factor, remember the last minute change of minds.

This election is not over yet, and with just over 3 weeks to go and a history of October surprises, we're not done.... not by a longshot.

And let me just add, Obama never disenfranchised any voter nor will he in the time to come, just rightwinger smear tactics, again. After the LIES and CORRUPTION from the Republicans in the 2000 elections and over these last 8years, you should talk last.



[edit on 10-10-2008 by southern_Guardian]



posted on Oct, 10 2008 @ 05:03 PM
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Originally posted by total_slacker
The "job creating class"???? If there is such a class in American society then they've pretty much had free reign for the last 25 years - ever since Reagan came out with that ridiculous economic dogma known then as "trickle-down economics". Giving tax breaks to the rich may indeed have led to a little bit of job creation - and the workers in China, India, and Mexico are very grateful for that. Didn't do much for American workers though except to push us even further into the economic abyss known as a service economy.


I think you are seriously misinformed about the "job creating class". It is NOT large corporations, contrary to popular belief. It is small business.

They create the majority of jobs, pay the majority of taxes, and are the lifeblood of American enterprise.

Yet Obama wants to increase the tax rate on them to over 50%. That's more than 50 cents on every dollar they earn.

His policies will kill this nation.



posted on Oct, 10 2008 @ 05:07 PM
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If there was ever a thread to be flag it will be this one.

Just because you buy into Obama rhetoric and did your research and all his plans seem to be on the up and up, doesn't mean you know Obama. Many of you guys refuse to allow his judgment to be a part of the race. A judgment that would have sent many other presidential hopefuls straight to their political death.
and mentioning AYERS is not trolling. Troubling, not trolling. You may be tired of it but there is some history there. A history that Obama tries to hide.

Furthermore, what happened to Obama's ability to multitask. Can he not concentrate on the economy and Ayers at the same time? And on the economy, what more can he say about it? His words will not change the economy. For the most part he adds more fear to the problem as he continues to use gloomy words to describe the situation. How does that fix the economy? Funny, at the debate he was very willing to talk about a lot of issues beside the economy. This is a political run for the presidency and I for one expect both candidates to bring up a range of issues. 700 Billion plus was pumped into the economy and if that didn't help the economy I don't see how talking about it is going to fix it.

SOS37 conceeded defeat and instead of making comment like Buddasystem, many of you guys go off on him because he doesn't view Obama as many of you do. I share sos37 view. Obama is going to try to take from the rich give to the poor and screw everybody in the middle with a smile. Obama will turn out to be opposite of what you guys are voting for.

This thread is starred and flagged for future I TOLD YOU SO.

And Bush might have taken away many of our rights blah blah blah....
you guys tend to forget that Congress was right there to support him. And even if most of the term was run by Congress there were many Democrats who shared Bush views and voted yes on the legislation. All Congress had to do was to say NO. Now I ask Who took your rights away?



posted on Oct, 10 2008 @ 05:12 PM
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I think you are seriously misinformed about the "job creating class". It is NOT large corporations, contrary to popular belief. It is small business

"Small" business is relative isn't it??? What would you consider a small business?

Would they still be in the top 1% of income earners?

Are there any LAWS pertaining to these businesses HAVING to create jobs once they receive their tax breaks? Or can they theoretically just KEEP the money they save?



posted on Oct, 10 2008 @ 05:16 PM
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Now I ask Who took your rights away?

Sorry Jam....I like the way you can post good points (although many we disagree on), but it was still Bush & Co.

Are you gonna go see W when it comes out next week? (I'm already camping outside the theater.)



posted on Oct, 10 2008 @ 05:21 PM
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Graf, I blame Bush for instigating but I have to blame Congress for following blindly. Yea I might see the movie. But based on JFK movie, I don't know how much credibility I will give to the movie. Should be interesting.



posted on Oct, 10 2008 @ 05:29 PM
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Back and to the left, back and to the left.......



posted on Oct, 10 2008 @ 05:34 PM
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Originally posted by jsobecky
reply to post by total_slacker
 



Originally posted by total_slacker
The "job creating class"???? If there is such a class in American society then they've pretty much had free reign for the last 25 years - ever since Reagan came out with that ridiculous economic dogma known then as "trickle-down economics". Giving tax breaks to the rich may indeed have led to a little bit of job creation - and the workers in China, India, and Mexico are very grateful for that. Didn't do much for American workers though except to push us even further into the economic abyss known as a service economy.


I think you are seriously misinformed about the "job creating class". It is NOT large corporations, contrary to popular belief. It is small business.

They create the majority of jobs, pay the majority of taxes, and are the lifeblood of American enterprise.

Yet Obama wants to increase the tax rate on them to over 50%. That's more than 50 cents on every dollar they earn.

His policies will kill this nation.


Jso, more right wing propoganda from you.. the facts....



McCain misstated his own health care plan, saying he’d give a $5,000 tax credit to “every American” His plan actually would provide only $2,500 per individual, or $5,000 for couples and families. He also misstated Obama’s health care plan, claiming it would levy fines on “small businesses” that fail to provide health insurance. Actually, Obama’s plan exempts “small businesses.

the facts



posted on Oct, 10 2008 @ 05:43 PM
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We're not talking about the same thing. You're talking tax on employees benefits, I'm talking income taxes.



Under Obama’s plan to let the scheduled 2011 tax rate hikes occur, and his plan to raise the self-employment tax on those making more than $250,000, the S corporation rate would rise from 35 percent to 39.6 percent. The sole proprietor and partner rate would rise from 37.9 percent all the way up to a staggering 50.3 percent. Many Democrats in Congress have proposed making all small businesses (including S corporations) pay this 50-plus percent rate. A small business tax rate that high would be the highest marginal rate faced by them in nearly a quarter-century.


www.politico.com...

With taxes like this, how can small employers afford to offer healthcare to their employees?



posted on Oct, 10 2008 @ 05:43 PM
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I am not making any predictions or getting my hopes up...

I am of the view that the race could shift on a fart.
However

ARG ( AMERICAN RESEARCH GROUP )

Released a poll of the Mountaineer state WV yesterday...

OBAMA - 50%

Mccain - 42%


CERTAINLY sounds ridiculous, however I have read in passing that the Mccain camp
announced today that they will be sending PALIN to the state . ( I may be wrong )

However if it is true that PALIN is being dispatched to WV for stumping, it might indicate
that the GOP internals are detecting the shift as well.

IF this is VALID and true it is not a good sign for MCCAIN/PALIN 08.

Most of WV makes Virginia look like LA Ca.

I think if Mccain does not get some traction with his LINE of attack soon he will be shut down. I OBJECTIVELY believe the AYERS route is going to turn off indies and middle of the roads like no other. These lines of attacks appeal to the base and the hard core.
However the voters who do not affiliate with party will view the energy these attacks generate as extreme. Issues voters are not as susceptible to visceral politicking
in my limited experience.

However what do I know?





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