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reply posted on 10-10-2008 @ 02:22 PM by bknapple32
im so sick of this william ayers thing..... mention it again, and its trolling.


Smear groups and now a desperate McCain campaign are trying to connect Barack to William Ayers using age-old guilt by association techniques. Here’s the truth: the smear associating Barack to Ayers is “phony,” “tenuous,” – even “exaggerated at best if not outright false.” William Ayers is a professor of education at the University of Illinois at Chicago, with whom Barack served on the board of an education-reform organization in the mid-1990’s. According to the Associated Press, they are not close: “No evidence shows they were “pals” or even close when they worked on community boards years ago …” Smear groups and the McCain campaign are trying to connect Obama to acts Ayers committed 40 years ago – when Barack was just eight years old. Here’s what the New York Times reported on the connection: But the two men do not appear to have been close. Nor has Mr. Obama ever expressed sympathy for the radical views and actions of Mr. Ayers, whom he has called “somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago, when I was 8.” Barack has publicly denounced Ayers’ radical actions from the 1960’s: Senator Obama strongly condemns the violent actions of the Weathermen group, as he does all acts of violence. But he was an eight-year-old child when Ayers and the Weathermen were active, and any attempt to connect Obama with events of almost forty years ago is ridiculous.


truth

A review of records of the schools project and interviews with a dozen people who know both men, suggest that Mr. Obama, 47, has played down his contacts with Mr. Ayers, 63. But the two men do not appear to have been close. Nor has Mr. Obama ever expressed sympathy for the radical views and actions of Mr. Ayers, whom he has called “somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago, when I was 8.”

www.nytimes.com... html?_r=2&hp&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

Obama has said he ‘‘deplored’’ what Ayers did in the 1960s and that ‘‘by the time I met him, he is a professor of education at the University of Illinois. We served on a board together that had Republicans, bankers, lawyers, focused on education.

more truth


reply posted on 10-10-2008 @ 02:49 PM by mental modulator
reply to post by bknapple32



Its is scag turd toss BK...

This is reactionary and desperate.

These folks genuinely believe that OBAMA is some sort of Manchurian candidate sent from SATAN to reclaim the EARTH for DICK CHENYS conscience.

NOW we have absentee ballots that read BARACK OSAMA...

HUGO CHAVEZ
WILLIAM AYERS
WRIGHT
REZCO
ISLAMO FASCISM
SOCIALISM
COMMUNISM
TERRORISM
NWO
RAILA ODINGO
HOMOSEXUAL
FOREIGN NATIONAL
BLACK NATIONALISM

CHRIST when does OBAMA have the time to MAINTAIN all of this???

And WHY is it that many of these things contradict other things in the same list?

ISLAMO FASCISM and COMMUNISM????

LEFTIST TIES and FASCISTS TIES?

This is fear is overtaking logic...
THERE IS NO LOGIC or OBJECTIVITY being applied by the other half.
It's kill at all costs... The GOP has learned a very bad habit from the BUSH era...
Victory trumps ALL.



reply posted on 10-10-2008 @ 02:53 PM by Grafilthy
reply to post by mental modulator



HUGO CHAVEZ
WILLIAM AYERS
WRIGHT
REZCO
ISLAMO FASCISM
SOCIALISM
COMMUNISM
TERRORISM
NWO
RAILA ODINGO
HOMOSEXUAL
FOREIGN NATIONAL
BLACK NATIONALISM

You forgot his name. It is quite different.....and close to Osama and Saddam!?!?!? I think we all should be (very) concerned!


reply posted on 10-10-2008 @ 02:59 PM by mental modulator
Originally posted by Grafilthy
reply to
post by mental modulator



HUGO CHAVEZ
WILLIAM AYERS
WRIGHT
REZCO
ISLAMO FASCISM
SOCIALISM
COMMUNISM
TERRORISM
NWO
RAILA ODINGO
HOMOSEXUAL
FOREIGN NATIONAL
BLACK NATIONALISM

You forgot his name. It is quite different.....and close to Osama and Saddam!?!?!? I think we all should be (very) concerned!


ME 2!!!

It's like rejecting an album of music based upon the UPC code on the back...

Frankly I think we should be concerned about the concern itself.


reply posted on 10-10-2008 @ 03:13 PM by Grafilthy
reply to post by mental modulator



Frankly I think we should be concerned about the concern itself.

Very.


reply posted on 10-10-2008 @ 05:03 PM by jsobecky
reply to post by total_slacker



Originally posted by total_slacker
The "job creating class"???? If there is such a class in American society then they've pretty much had free reign for the last 25 years - ever since Reagan came out with that ridiculous economic dogma known then as "trickle-down economics". Giving tax breaks to the rich may indeed have led to a little bit of job creation - and the workers in China, India, and Mexico are very grateful for that. Didn't do much for American workers though except to push us even further into the economic abyss known as a service economy.


I think you are seriously misinformed about the "job creating class". It is NOT large corporations, contrary to popular belief. It is small business.

They create the majority of jobs, pay the majority of taxes, and are the lifeblood of American enterprise.

Yet Obama wants to increase the tax rate on them to over 50%. That's more than 50 cents on every dollar they earn.

His policies will kill this nation.


reply posted on 10-10-2008 @ 05:07 PM by jam321
If there was ever a thread to be flag it will be this one.

Just because you buy into Obama rhetoric and did your research and all his plans seem to be on the up and up, doesn't mean you know Obama. Many of you guys refuse to allow his judgment to be a part of the race. A judgment that would have sent many other presidential hopefuls straight to their political death.
and mentioning AYERS is not trolling. Troubling, not trolling. You may be tired of it but there is some history there. A history that Obama tries to hide.

Furthermore, what happened to Obama's ability to multitask. Can he not concentrate on the economy and Ayers at the same time? And on the economy, what more can he say about it? His words will not change the economy. For the most part he adds more fear to the problem as he continues to use gloomy words to describe the situation. How does that fix the economy? Funny, at the debate he was very willing to talk about a lot of issues beside the economy. This is a political run for the presidency and I for one expect both candidates to bring up a range of issues. 700 Billion plus was pumped into the economy and if that didn't help the economy I don't see how talking about it is going to fix it.

SOS37 conceeded defeat and instead of making comment like Buddasystem, many of you guys go off on him because he doesn't view Obama as many of you do. I share sos37 view. Obama is going to try to take from the rich give to the poor and screw everybody in the middle with a smile. Obama will turn out to be opposite of what you guys are voting for.

This thread is starred and flagged for future I TOLD YOU SO.

And Bush might have taken away many of our rights blah blah blah....
you guys tend to forget that Congress was right there to support him. And even if most of the term was run by Congress there were many Democrats who shared Bush views and voted yes on the legislation. All Congress had to do was to say NO. Now I ask Who took your rights away?


reply posted on 10-10-2008 @ 05:12 PM by Grafilthy
reply to post by jsobecky



I think you are seriously misinformed about the "job creating class". It is NOT large corporations, contrary to popular belief. It is small business

"Small" business is relative isn't it??? What would you consider a small business?

Would they still be in the top 1% of income earners?

Are there any LAWS pertaining to these businesses HAVING to create jobs once they receive their tax breaks? Or can they theoretically just KEEP the money they save?


reply posted on 10-10-2008 @ 05:16 PM by Grafilthy
reply to post by jam321




Now I ask Who took your rights away?

Sorry Jam....I like the way you can post good points (although many we disagree on), but it was still Bush & Co.

Are you gonna go see W when it comes out next week? (I'm already camping outside the theater.)



reply posted on 10-10-2008 @ 05:21 PM by jam321
reply to post by Grafilthy



Graf, I blame Bush for instigating but I have to blame Congress for following blindly. Yea I might see the movie. But based on JFK movie, I don't know how much credibility I will give to the movie. Should be interesting.


reply posted on 10-10-2008 @ 05:34 PM by bknapple32
Originally posted by jsobecky
reply to
post by total_slacker



Originally posted by total_slacker
The "job creating class"???? If there is such a class in American society then they've pretty much had free reign for the last 25 years - ever since Reagan came out with that ridiculous economic dogma known then as "trickle-down economics". Giving tax breaks to the rich may indeed have led to a little bit of job creation - and the workers in China, India, and Mexico are very grateful for that. Didn't do much for American workers though except to push us even further into the economic abyss known as a service economy.


I think you are seriously misinformed about the "job creating class". It is NOT large corporations, contrary to popular belief. It is small business.

They create the majority of jobs, pay the majority of taxes, and are the lifeblood of American enterprise.

Yet Obama wants to increase the tax rate on them to over 50%. That's more than 50 cents on every dollar they earn.

His policies will kill this nation.


Jso, more right wing propoganda from you.. the facts....


McCain misstated his own health care plan, saying he’d give a $5,000 tax credit to “every American” His plan actually would provide only $2,500 per individual, or $5,000 for couples and families. He also misstated Obama’s health care plan, claiming it would levy fines on “small businesses” that fail to provide health insurance. Actually, Obama’s plan exempts “small businesses.

the facts


reply posted on 10-10-2008 @ 05:43 PM by jsobecky
reply to post by bknapple32



We're not talking about the same thing. You're talking tax on employees benefits, I'm talking income taxes.


Under Obama’s plan to let the scheduled 2011 tax rate hikes occur, and his plan to raise the self-employment tax on those making more than $250,000, the S corporation rate would rise from 35 percent to 39.6 percent. The sole proprietor and partner rate would rise from 37.9 percent all the way up to a staggering 50.3 percent. Many Democrats in Congress have proposed making all small businesses (including S corporations) pay this 50-plus percent rate. A small business tax rate that high would be the highest marginal rate faced by them in nearly a quarter-century.


www.politico.com...

With taxes like this, how can small employers afford to offer healthcare to their employees?
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