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Topic started on 10-10-2008 @ 07:17 AM by mabus325
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Sources:
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Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan, another powerful Chicago-based political figure associated with the Rev. Jeremiah Wright and other long-time
associates of Democratic Party presidential candidate Barack Obama, is leaving no doubt about what he thinks of the leader in the campaign for the
White House.
He says when Obama talks "the Messiah is absolutely speaking."
You can watch it for yourself on a newly posted YouTube video.
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reply posted on 10-10-2008 @ 07:44 AM by Benevolent Heretic
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So... What conclusion are you drawing from this?
Do you think Farrakhan thinks that Obama is Jesus?
Or, do you think he may have meant "a professed or accepted leader of some hope or cause"
Merriam Webster
You say he leaves no doubt, and I agree that he's thinking of Obama as a professed or accepted leader of some hope or cause.
Now, my question is... What's the problem?
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reply posted on 10-10-2008 @ 07:53 AM by Clearskies
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reply to post by Benevolent Heretic
Farakhan said,
"You are the instruments that God is going to use to bring about universal change, and that is why Barack has captured the youth. And he has
involved young people in a political process that they didn't care anything about. That's a sign. When the Messiah speaks, the youth will hear, and
the Messiah is absolutely speaking."
I think it's pretty clear what he's saying. 
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reply posted on 10-10-2008 @ 07:56 AM by Merriman Weir
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Cue a series of tired Monty Python jokes.
It doesn't really matter if Farrakhan calls him the Messiah or not. It doesn't actually make him the Messiah. If I called Farrakhan a 23-year-old
white teen model from Nebraska, it wouldn't make him a 23-year-old white teen model from Nebraska.
Even if Farrakhan meant Obama was literally an instrument of the Christian God, is this any worse than Bush believing he's doing the same God's
bidding?
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reply posted on 10-10-2008 @ 08:09 AM by Benevolent Heretic
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Originally posted by Clearskies
I think it's pretty clear what he's saying.
Ok, YOU think it's clear. Would you mind sharing with us "what he's saying"? Or are you going to continue to be cryptic and suggestive and not
come out with it?
Because I read what he said and apparently I'm not getting the same hit you are. 
If you are so certain of his meaning, what is he saying?
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reply posted on 10-10-2008 @ 08:16 AM by Clearskies
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Originally posted by Merriman Weir
Even if Farrakhan meant Obama was literally an instrument of the Christian God......
What?
Farrakhan HATES the Christian God. As well as 'blue-eyed devils'!
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reply posted on 10-10-2008 @ 08:21 AM by Clearskies
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
If you are so certain of his meaning, what is he saying?
Well, it looks to me, with his usage of the phrases, 'God's instruments', and THE 'Messiah' (he didn't say A messiah) that he believes obama IS
THE Messiah.
Just like lots of other hackers and spray-painters. 
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reply posted on 10-10-2008 @ 08:22 AM by Merriman Weir
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Originally posted by Clearskies
Farakhan said,
"You are the instruments that God is going to use to bring about universal change, and that is why Barack has captured the youth. And he has
involved young people in a political process that they didn't care anything about. That's a sign. When the Messiah speaks, the youth will hear, and
the Messiah is absolutely speaking."
I think it's pretty clear what he's saying.
I'm not sure I'm following this. I think it's a fair assumption though that you're concerned about the Christian angle, rather than the general
'leadership' reading of Messiah.
If you're a non-Christian, then this is not an issue. It shouldn't even be on the radar as a problem.
However, if you are a Christian, I'm still confused as aren't we all meant to be instruments of God and all part of his Divine Plan?
Why couldn't Obama be the deliverer of the Jews?
Was you expecting someone who looked like Robert Powell or something?
[edit on 10-10-2008 by Merriman Weir]
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reply posted on 10-10-2008 @ 08:27 AM by grover
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Who gives a rats ass what farrakhan says? He and his group are marginal even in the black community.
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reply posted on 10-10-2008 @ 08:28 AM by Clearskies
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reply to post by Merriman Weir
Not funneh!
Apparently YOU are much too young to remember Farrakhan's utter HATRED for JEWS and blue-eyed devil, Christians!!!
My, MY, yes,..... years ago, I got to hear the vociferous agony and vilifications of the blue-eyed debils.
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reply posted on 10-10-2008 @ 08:34 AM by Merriman Weir
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Originally posted by Clearskies
reply to post by Merriman Weir
Not funneh!
Apparently YOU are much too young to remember Farrakhan's utter HATRED for JEWS and blue-eyed devil, Christians!!!
I was 16 when the Hymietown and Black Hitler thing broke. Is this like a fairground ride where I have to be a certain height to get on the ride?
My, MY, yes,..... years ago, I got to hear the vociferous agony and vilifications of the blue-eyed debils.
"Vociferous agony and vilifications"? Am I talking to Don King? Or is that from the famous V for Vendetta monologue?
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reply posted on 10-10-2008 @ 08:36 AM by Dock6
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Thread title: ' Farrakhan calls Obama 'The Messiah' '
Then Farrakhan has just bestowed the Kiss of Death on Obama
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reply posted on 10-10-2008 @ 08:36 AM by Benevolent Heretic
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Originally posted by Clearskies
Farrakhan HATES the Christian God.
Oh, well, there's your problem. I didn't know there was more than one "God".
BTW, he said the audience were instruments of God, not Obama.
Originally posted by Clearskies
he believes obama IS THE Messiah.
So, Farrakhan believes that Obama is Jesus Christ? Why didn't he just say that? Why didn't he talk about how people should bow down and
worship him? Why didn't he preach about Christ's return?
Instead, he talked about politics...
I rather thought (since he talked about universal change and the political process) that F meant that Obama was the messiah (hopeful leader) of the
new political future...
I must be an idiot. 
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reply posted on 10-10-2008 @ 08:44 AM by Merriman Weir
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
I must be an idiot.
No, you appear to be a good-looking dog that's pretty much seeing this thread for what it is.
I find it strange how some politicians and leaders can use religious rhetoric and it's beautiful thing that shows the wholesome decency that
just oozes from their very pores.
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reply posted on 10-10-2008 @ 08:47 AM by Clearskies
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Originally posted by Merriman Weir
My, MY, yes,..... years ago, I got to hear the vociferous agony and vilifications of the blue-eyed debils.
"Vociferous agony and vilifications"? Am I talking to Don King? Or is that from the famous V for Vendetta monologue?
Have you never heard Farrakhan speak?
THAT'S what he sounds like! Crazy, but, with a smooth, Martin Luther King Jr. affect.
BH,
The man is a Islamic preacher. Do you REALLY believe that he has all-of-a-sudden become secular and everyone is supposed to 'get' that when he said
THE messiah, he meant great politician???
Why would he connect obama to Jesus? He's muslim?
I can't believe you have NO ISSUE with the blue-eyed devil and evil joos hatred by farrakhan.
Respectfully, are you a racist?
[edit on 10-10-2008 by Clearskies]
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reply posted on 10-10-2008 @ 08:54 AM by Fathom
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Originally posted by Merriman Weir
Cue a series of tired Monty Python jokes.
If I called Farrakhan a 23-year-old white teen model from Nebraska, it wouldn't make him a 23-year-old white teen model from Nebraska.
first of all 23 year olds are no longer "teen" models
second of all
Was you expecting someone who looked like Robert Powell or something?
why are you speaking eubonics?
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reply posted on 10-10-2008 @ 08:54 AM by SpeakerofTruth
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Honestly, this doesn't surprise me. Farrakhan has and does say some pretty outlandish things.
We are living in a system that seems to be trying to intermingle religion with politics. I think that is walking some pretty dangerous ground.
Religion has no place in politics, and vice versa.
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reply posted on 10-10-2008 @ 08:56 AM by grover
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reply to post by Clearskies
NO!!! Lets stop this right here and right now... Farrakhan is not... I repeat is not a Islamic preacher... the Nation of Islam has next to nothing
besides the word Islam to do with real Islam... indeed the vast majority of black Muslims have long since left it and become mainstream Muslims.
en.wikipedia.org...
Comparison with traditional Islam
The Nation of Islam preaches adherence to the Five Pillars of the Islamic Faith: shahadah, or profession of faith; salat, or prayer, five times daily
facing toward Mecca; zakat, charity to the poor; sawm, fasting during the holy month of Ramadan; and hajj, a pilgrimage to Mecca required of every
Muslim financially and physically able to go, at least once in his or her lifetime. The NOI also teaches morality and personal decorum, emphasizing
modesty, mutual respect, and discipline in dress and comportment. NOI adherents do not consume pork, stress a healthy diet and physical fitness, and
the consumption of alcohol, drugs, and tobacco is frowned upon. However, the Nation of Islam argues that because of the unique experience of the
oppression and degradation of slavery, Elijah Muhammad used unique methods for introducing Islam to his people. Traditional Islamic beliefs however,
stand in stark opposition to the entire theological and creedal foundation of the Nation of Islam.
Other doctrines of the Nation of Islam are disputed, specifically:
* God's incarnation
o NOI teaches that "Allah (God) appeared in the Person of Master W. Fard Muhammad, July 1930; the long-awaited Messiah of the Christians
and the Mahdi of the Muslims.
o Traditional Sunni and Shi'a Muslim doctrine is that it is heretical and blasphemous to believe that God would manifest Himself in human
form (or any material form). Likening any individual(s) to God is a form of shirk—a major sin in Islam.[23]
* Relations with whites
o NOI teaches that the Black man is the original man, and from him came all brown, yellow, red, and white people. By using a special method
of birth control law, the Blackman was able to produce the white race.[10] Islam recognizes the Biblical and Qur’anic figure, the patriarch Jacob,
but this Jacob is viewed by Muslims as a prophet, and is not connected to the Yakub of the NOI. Traditional Islam does not teach of the Yakub featured
in Nation of Islam theology.
* Perspectives on the Quran.
o The vast majority of Muslims, worldwide, believe that it was Allah's final revelation to mankind and that it was given to the Islamic
prophet Muhammad between the years of 610 and 632. The NOI states that they believe in the Qur'an and the writings of all the prophets of God.[24]
* Status of the Islamic prophet Muhammad vs. other prophets.
o Mainstream Islam teaches that Muhammad was the last of the messengers that Allah has sent to mankind--there would be no more, and the one
for all to follow. The Nation of Islam believes that Elijah Muhammad was also a messenger and was taught by God Himself (W. D. Fard).[25]
The Nation of Islam is about as far out in left field as scientology in regards to crack pot theology... they have nothing at all in common with true
Islam except superficials.
[edit on 10-10-2008 by grover]
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reply posted on 10-10-2008 @ 08:59 AM by Merriman Weir
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Originally posted by Clearskies
BH,
The man is a Islamic preacher. Do you REALLY believe that he has all-of-a-sudden become secular and everyone is supposed to 'get' that when he said
THE messiah, he meant great politician???
Whether or not he suddenly becomes "secular" or not, one thing he's not going to change is the colour of his skin. Perhaps, just maybe, that
Farrakhan - a man known for his views on race - actually wants to push the idea of a black great leader, whatever religion?
Why would he connect obama to Jesus? He's muslim?
Surely you're aware that Muslims see Jesus as a prophet?
I can't believe you have NO ISSUE with the blue-eyed devil and evil joos hatred by farrakhan.
Respectfully, are you a racist?
I think my posts on one of the larger "it was the Jews that done it!" threads answers any accusation thrown my way. Can I ask you, respectfully, are
you racist towards blacks?
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reply posted on 10-10-2008 @ 09:02 AM by marg6043
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This OP is so laughable that I can not stop laughing right now.
Remember when Moron Bush was called the by the gullible evangelicans the chosen one?
Bush end up spitting on the faces of all of them.
Now Obama is they new "Messiah" well we all know what they do once they are in the white house, is always higher powers of money behind the office
of the president that answer to not almighty.  
[edit on 10-10-2008 by marg6043]
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