Originally posted by Rinorino2
reply to post by Merriman Weir
Good point-there is this discrepancy between the views of the middle-class and the upper-class, The middle-class tend to be anti-muslim, the upper
class tend to be either anti-muslim or more likely anti-semitic-in banking and insurance they tend to be anti-semitic. The UK is a complex place
generalisations are tricky-many people will be conceptually anti-muslims and theoretically have nothing against jews-but in practice dislike Jews.
Many PC types will actually dislike and exclude jews.
No, I'm not really that sure about this either. Firstly, whenever you hear about anti-Muslim &c hostility, it's not a "middle-class" issue at all.
I'm not sure whether you're using an American understanding of "middle-class" as opposed to a British one, but, as you're talking about issues
within Britain, I think you need to stick to a British understanding of class. The reality is that much of the explicit anti-whatever ill-feeling is
actually expressed by the working classes not the middle-classes or the upper-classes - and again, I'm using British readings of the terms here.
The working classes tend to actually feel more pressure when it comes to influxes of immigration. More often than not, ghettoisation of communities
happens in working-class areas. These tend to be the areas where resources are tightest - whether it's housing, jobs or money in general. Whether
it's true or not this competitive environment creates the belief that 'they come over here taking our houses, our jobs...' and so on. This is where
the hostility and ill-feeling comes in.
In social strata where money is less of an issue, where housing is less of an issue, where employment is less of an issue, people tend not to be as
threatened. Yes, there will undoubtedly be some hostility to Jews, Muslims or whoever as discrimination will be a feature of any demographic, but
generally, the actual mechanisms that create wide-spread hostility aren't there.
Whilst you might try and argue that competition amongst a specific area, such as the banking system is an equally competitive environment, this
particular demographic is far, far, far smaller than the working-class demographic that is potentially
affected by this.
Also, if the middle and upper-classes shunned the likes of Jews, how did the idea that Jews run business and media actually take hold. If they were
shunned and unable to get positions as you're suggesting, then how - according the conspiracy theories - are they controlling ostensibly middle-class
industries like business and media?
EDIT: Just in case it's not clear, I'm certainly not saying racism or religious hatred is a working-class issue and the working-classes are at fault
with this. Ultimately, I blame the government.
[edit on 11-10-2008 by Merriman Weir]