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Zeitgeist lies

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posted on Oct, 10 2008 @ 01:55 AM
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hey;

just stop and think ...

if the whole global NWO conpiracy was true = real

then ...

1/ why can you freely pick and chose your job/employer

2/ get in your 4/6/8/10/12 cyl car and just drive

3/ choose your partner male/female

4/ talk and post like I am without being stopped

5/ walk into any internet cafe and see / post / slander / approve whatever

6/ jump on a jet plane / or buy your own and fly away

etc etc etc pls add some more before you spam poisen this thread ...

freedom IS a state of mind set yourself FREE

well !!!

[edit on 10/10/08 by ROO-meh]




posted on Oct, 10 2008 @ 02:30 AM
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And does it really matter? That you can do it now, doesnt mean, that you will be abled to do it forever.. just look at the patriot act.. all the terrorism bull#, all those investigations, locking up of people for "endangering freedom", look at those LIES. LIES everywhere.. I dont want to scare you or anything.. but - WTC 7? WMC's?? Bin Laden? Why nobody talks about this in TV anymore? Its huge fraud.. they lied to as about everything

Does it really matter, if you choose Obama or McCain? If both of them are being sponsored by the SAME ORGANISATIONS? Is there difference between them, other than color of skin and some paper info?

You thing you have choice..

You dont.

Btw. do you honestly believe it (6)? Man, can buy a plane? Do you - as mere human, as mere worker - can afford something like this? My parents were working all life.. as normal labours - as majority of us - and still, we have just small flat and they live from bill to bill, just so-so, that they have money to make living.. afraid to get sick, because they wont have enough money for food.

Do you feel its ok? Do you feel its ok, that there is now 19% more people homeless? 40% more USA citizens need to skip one food daily, 'cos they cant afford it..



posted on Oct, 10 2008 @ 02:37 AM
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I like your intentions,

I don't see how this has ANYTHING to do with Zeitgeist, none of your statements have anything to do with it.

but I think you are distorting and deleting a lot of material that indicates there are major control mechanisms in place, .. you neglect the medical patent suppression and other technological suppression that could benefit EVERYONE.

Therefore I think you are trying to send out a good message, but using Zeitgeist as your "trojan horse" of sorts, is a poor choice, the OPs thread here is a good example of disinformation

[edit on 10/10/2008 by PuRe EnErGy]

[edit on 10/10/2008 by PuRe EnErGy]



posted on Oct, 10 2008 @ 02:43 AM
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What exactly did Zeitgeist say that you believe to be a lie. You have posted a rebuttal but you never made clear to as to what it was you are refuting.

Also many of your statements are debatable.



posted on Oct, 10 2008 @ 03:00 AM
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Yeah thats what the NWO/Incanabula want you to think is real freedom.
Real freedom is when you can say,
"STUFF" your systems of Insane Systems, whether it may be;
Capitalist, Socialist, Communist, Democratic, Fascist(Dictatorial or Autocratic), Marxist, Islamist Theocracy, Jewish Theocracy, Christian Theocracy and simply say I want to actually do things out of Love and not hate.
To want to actually learn about the spirituality of life and not the religiosity. To further understand that life is not about crunching numbers and quotients all the time. And to know of Life in simply actually thinking about, "WHY the # do we do what we do?" Instead of just conforming to the status quo out of blind faith.
To try to really "Think" about what people are trying to say to you and not just making up a retort answer to them all the time.
That is when those that stand above on the Pyramid capstone will feel the foundations actually shake.



posted on Oct, 10 2008 @ 03:02 AM
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I have to agree this really has nothing to do with Zeitgeist and the issues it raises. The OP should edit his post to reflect the title or edit the title to reflect his post.



posted on Oct, 10 2008 @ 03:03 AM
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What does this have to do with Zeitgeist?

And if freedom is a state mind of mind, can you not convince yourself that you're free yet not really be free?

Can not others, a society, a government convince you that you're free yet not really be free?

There's more to freedom than freedom of choice. Prisoners can sit wherever they want during lunch. Are they free?

Freedom may be a state of mind, but it is also relative. Just because you think you're free doesn't mean that you are.



posted on Oct, 10 2008 @ 03:23 AM
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Originally posted by ROO-meh
hey;

just stop and think ...

if the whole global NWO conpiracy was true = real

then ...

1/ why can you freely pick and chose your job/employer


I'm sorry, but what kind of society do you live in? Surely the employer chooses you? In Britain, there hasn't been a job market like this for over 40 years. Many people in their 50s and upwards talk about the days when you could literally leave one job on a whim on a Monday, then on Tuesday walk into another one. Very, very few of us have that opportunity now. We don't "freely pick and chose your job/employer" as most of us have to jump through an increasingly drawn-out series of hoops to get a job these days.

Also, there are employment blacklists of various types now meaning that for various reasons people just won't get work in particular sectors. That's not including the 'closed shop' mentalities enforced by various kinds of cronyism and nepotism which do exist - there's truth in the adage "it's not what you know, its who you know".



2/ get in your 4/6/8/10/12 cyl car and just drive


Not in Britain you don't. We have massive amounts of cameras and congestion charges. The idea of the motorist having freedom in this country is a very spurious one.


4/ talk and post like I am without being stopped

5/ walk into any internet cafe and see / post / slander / approve whatever


That's a very strange thing to say the week that Britain announced an intelligence scheme to monitor every phone call, email, text message and various other communications that occur here.


6/ jump on a jet plane / or buy your own and fly away


I'm really beginning to think you are part of a society that I don't recognise at all. You might be able to jump on a jet plane, but it's actually becoming more difficult to actually go anywhere due to tightening of visas &c. Also, when you do get there, there's all kinds of identification schemes not to mention things like the new body scanners. Your definition of 'freedom' appears to be quite different than mine.

As for buying a plane? Yeah, that's right. We can all buy our own planes!



posted on Oct, 10 2008 @ 03:26 AM
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Agreed, freedom is not a state of mind but a state of being. If one person uses another as a resource, then it doesn`t matter that this person thinks he is free, he simply isn`t.



posted on Oct, 10 2008 @ 03:41 AM
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I would have to say that;
What you believe is what you will perceive and experience as a reality.
Hence the mind and the inherent learn't subconscious belief structures are always the central focus point as to what you will experience.
Thats why you get individuals who actually have phobias about different things such as fear of heights, confined spaces, crowds, spiders etc.
The fact is these people live their whole life experience geared towards the non-confrontation of these illusory perceived fears and there associated psychosomatic symptoms that these conditions entail.
But to you and I these perceived fears seem like insanity when we ourselves dont share their anxieties and have no qualms about going to a live rock concert or the local shopping Mall



posted on Oct, 10 2008 @ 03:43 AM
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liews lifes! lies! plucky agress! see, the thing is, goD, or whomeever you wish to identify...he /she/it decided oupn mulitple messages. messages that youtttor I woucld not even fathom. what I am saying is, the story repopeasts itself. multiple times. it is called synergy.



posted on Oct, 10 2008 @ 04:04 AM
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Whoops! my responses are prefixed with a *-
I'm also NOT bashing the poster. Let that be known. I'm redline angry about current events, though we all pretty much have seen it coming. If you havent watched Zeitgeist Addendum (the second movie) do so before the evidence disappears.


Originally posted by ROO-meh
hey;

just stop and think ...

if the whole global NWO conpiracy was true = real
*-IT IS. The bankers are nothing more than labor brokers for the NWO, keep that in mind. The NWO is comprised of lazy bastards with nearly no reproductive skills or normal moral desires. Long as you are spending and earning you can do as you like. Actually its kind of funny... All the more reason they are motivated to become part of it... Not the money, the IMMUNITY.

then ...

1/ why can you freely pick and chose your job/employer
*-Because the top level banks ARE your employer no matter hat company you work for. If you did watch Zeitgeist you would know what labor is exchanged for - a loaded currency created by the bank.

2/ get in your 4/6/8/10/12 cyl car and just drive
*-You burn gas which is paid for by money. The top level banks own everything. The only thing they really want is your constant labor.

3/ choose your partner male/female
*-It doesn't matter what you want and from who long as everyone is working and not able to pay off the debt you can screw who or what you like. Just don't hurt the children in the way the bankers like to on "fishing trips" in south america cause they need to be productive workers later down the road.

4/ talk and post like I am without being stopped
*-You are paying money to be connected to the net, have a computer, and eat whatever that was you were just snacking on while perusing the forum, which you also paid for.

5/ walk into any internet cafe and see / post / slander / approve whatever
*-costs money to do so, which you either have or will labor to pay for.

6/ jump on a jet plane / or buy your own and fly away
*-All costs money. They create the money from NOTHING.

etc etc etc pls add some more before you spam poisen this thread ...

freedom IS a state of mind set yourself FREE
*-Live homeless and without anything at all.


well !!!

[edit on 10-10-2008 by Atlantican]

[edit on 10-10-2008 by Atlantican]



posted on Oct, 10 2008 @ 06:08 AM
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I stopped watchin' the Big Z when half way through the bald dude said "technology" was the answer to all our problems. WRONG! More tech provides the NWO with the tools that they need to suppress the slaves. Hi Tech truly is "trickle down" in that the thugs at the top have available to them what we can't even imagine. What trickles down to the slaves is just more crap to sell and indenture us to the system. Z = BS



posted on Oct, 10 2008 @ 06:43 AM
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Originally posted by KOGDOG
I stopped watchin' the Big Z when half way through the bald dude said "technology" was the answer to all our problems. WRONG! More tech provides the NWO with the tools that they need to suppress the slaves. Hi Tech truly is "trickle down" in that the thugs at the top have available to them what we can't even imagine. What trickles down to the slaves is just more crap to sell and indenture us to the system. Z = BS


He also said something to the effect of; politicians don't solve problems engineers do. There is a difference between XBOX 360 and geothermal technology.



posted on Oct, 10 2008 @ 11:37 AM
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Wow

I love the passion that the ATS people have.

Several questions were pointed at me here, so I will try to answer a few.

1/ what has this got to do with Zeitgeist ?
(a) Zeitgeist is a shock horror pseudo document that a LOT of people take as 100% fact
(b) Zeitgeist isn't questioned enough so the point of my post was just to get people to THINK is this real / true
(c) a really good ATS blogger's signature says "Just because you don't think like I think,DON'T STOP THINKING"
2/ Merriman Weir I live in Australia and I am free to do all I posted and see everyone else around me including many brits doing the same ... talk to any member of YOUR balmy army ask them what it's like .
Unemployement is 4% which our government says is in effect 100% employement considering the disabled,sick,dissasociated and gypsy types.

Yes I can buy ,borrow rent or hire any size car/motorcycle I like from a 50cc scooter to a 12 cylinder Ferrari and drive through the centre of the city or plough through the outback desert .

You brits are getting a bit paranoid about being watched and listened to,why don't you just stand up to whoever is taking away your freedoms and maybe just say NO I won't take this bs.

3/ INTERNET cafe's
(a) some here will remember a recent ATS hoaxer [not very believable]
who claimed to have come from 2040 travelling in a lego mindstorm vehicle.
All his posts came from an Internet cafe 12 minutes from my property ,many ATS'ers questioned how he could walk down the streets,log onto the internet without ID or carrying a passport.
I just for the sake of it spend a whole day walking around the city of Adelaide went into internet cafe's and not once was I asked anything NO ID required just pay $2 and you can spread goodwill or bs to your hearts content,infact I only saw one policeman and he was having a buzz on his 1100cc BMW .

Jump on a plane I recently did $9.99 to sit on a Airbus 320 tiger airways Adelaide to Melbourne.

The WHOLE point of my post and the link to Zeitgeist is simply this ... STOP and THINK you are free and if your freedoms are being stolen stand up to the bs.

I wish you all the very best and no personal attacks were intentioned or received.





posted on Oct, 10 2008 @ 12:04 PM
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Originally posted by ROO-meh

2/ Merriman Weir I live in Australia and I am free to do all I posted and see everyone else around me including many brits doing the same ... talk to any member of YOUR balmy army ask them what it's like .
Unemployement is 4% which our government says is in effect 100% employement considering the disabled,sick,dissasociated and gypsy types.

Yes I can buy ,borrow rent or hire any size car/motorcycle I like from a 50cc scooter to a 12 cylinder Ferrari and drive through the centre of the city or plough through the outback desert .

You brits are getting a bit paranoid about being watched and listened to,why don't you just stand up to whoever is taking away your freedoms and maybe just say NO I won't take this bs.


I think you're only in the position to say this because you're an Australian in the first place. Do you not think that some of us are saying "no"?

Now, your initial post, asked, in question form, it's possible to do a series of things. However, I pointed out that examples of how it's not always possible to do the things you describe. Whether or not you personally can, I still disproved several of your point. To turn this into a very localised argument, specific to what you can do and try to make that the basis of your argument is very poor. It's like a bank CEO claiming there's no recession or poverty because he personally has $10,000,000 in the bank.


The WHOLE point of my post and the link to Zeitgeist is simply this ... STOP and THINK you are free and if your freedoms are being stolen stand up to the bs


You say this, but that's not how your post actually reads. You start a thread with the title "Zeitgeist lies" and then make a list of freedoms you personally have, freedoms that are not necessarily shared amongst even the developed 1st world, as if this is evidence that there's no NWO or Big Brother and so on.

Again, a spurious argument. I could say that there's no desert or drought in Australia because when I look out of my window in Manchester, it's pissing down with rain.

I appreciate the idea that 'freedom is a state of mind' and all that, but my thinking clear blue thoughts and chilling out isn't going to change anything other than actually disconnect from what's actually happening, because the things I listed are real, not paranoid speculation or a doomsday scenario. It's real, in Britain, now.



posted on Oct, 10 2008 @ 12:18 PM
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Originally posted by ROO-meh
You brits are getting a bit paranoid about being watched and listened to,why don't you just stand up to whoever is taking away your freedoms and maybe just say NO I won't take this bs.


I'm pretty sure that public outcry or complaints are not the solution. Try telling a police officer "no" when they come to arrest you. See how that works out for you.



posted on Oct, 10 2008 @ 12:24 PM
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hey mate lets not turn this into any personal attack ,I just was trying to help/assist/try get people frozen by fear into THINKING

because money talks and bs walks I will again offer any person on any continent this : come to Australia you will get free airfare a job, house and food and a bus ticket [trams are more fun] to whatever mosque,church synagouge u like hey we even got a local scientology fun parlour on Currie street Adelaide.

If you feel threatened do some thing or don't perpetuate the fear game... maybe that was my real point.

best wishes and yes I still kneel beside my bed and praise God for us.



posted on Oct, 10 2008 @ 12:39 PM
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Originally posted by scientist

Originally posted by ROO-meh
You brits are getting a bit paranoid about being watched and listened to,why don't you just stand up to whoever is taking away your freedoms and maybe just say NO I won't take this bs.


I'm pretty sure that public outcry or complaints are not the solution. Try telling a police officer "no" when they come to arrest you. See how that works out for you.


love your work scientist ,one of the most wise ATS posters

may I respectably ask you , why are the police arresting people ? Isn't it only the criminals that I can see get incarcerated [few exceptions I know ]

If I read you right you disagree with people power HUH ! If my paper trail publicly elected representative does or says some crazy bs then I can walk into his/her office demand an answer or kick his butt outta office and in the mean time between elections make them irrelavent.

peace dude

NO is an answer some just don't being questioned

I wish you no harm and have more food than I can eat SHARING now.



posted on Oct, 10 2008 @ 02:38 PM
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Originally posted by ROO-meh
reply to post by Merriman Weir
 


hey mate lets not turn this into any personal attack ,I just was trying to help/assist/try get people frozen by fear into THINKING



It wasn't a personal attack! I was just trying to clarify what was actually being said.

However, I'll say this part again: whilst the sentiment behind "thinking" is a good one, simply thinking or relaxing &c isn't going to change reality.

It's OK to say 'stand up to the BS' but we don't actually get the opportunity to. The last change of Prime Minister, we didn't even get a vote. Blair stepped down and Brown took over; we have a Prime Minister that we didn't even vote for. We're promised referendum's then the subject of the referendum is very slightly changed and then we're told we can't have a referendum as promised because this it's no longer the object we were initially concerned about. We have marches (although our rights to demonstrate are being dismantled) and we have petitions but government no longer listens.



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