obama buys 30 minute timeslot on network tv

reply to post by Mercenary2007



is that all people can say.. socialist??? sheesh. you had your mind made up before the special, so why even watch???

reply to post by Mercenary2007


Actually, I have a feeling the whole thing was exactly targeted to the people who may swing either way. You and I may have made up our minds, but I'm sure there are some in other states/places that need a push one way or the other to decide.

He claimed he was going to save the medical care system in the US by computerizing medical records.

The surprising thing is that the largest health care system in the US already does this and it was a program started 20 years ago by a republican Bush sr

The government under Bush jr has offered this system to any US hospital for free. many of the big university hospitals like UCLA already use it. because they supply doctors to staff the VA hospital system

Its the computerized system the VA uses for the veterans health care system.

I can walk into any VA medical unit in the US and swipe my VA card and they can pull up my complete medical records right there.

Now here is Obama trying to make us believe he is going to start a system that already exists.

its just like Gore inventing the internet.

This is truley an act of dessperation.

Nothing more to see.

reply to post by bknapple32


Back to the topic, Obama spent the money he raised the best way he saw fit and there's nothing wrong with that. I'm pretty sure there was a thread on this site last month, something about winning the hearts and minds of the moronic masses on election day. Next week will be interesting to say the least.

Did anyone else notice the multiple Wal-Mart and Ford product placements in the infomerical? It was sickening. I wonder why them......

AP FACT CHECK

A fact check on that infomercial of Obama's - on all the claims that 'The One' said he can do. For those who haven't drank the kool-aid ...

As Rachel Maddow said, "He had me at the waving wheat."

Originally posted by scotty18
It's too bad that a guy who is claiming he will financially help the middle class (by taking money from the rich...before he taxes the middle class, which is based on liberal precedents) yet takes hundreds of millions of dollars from them to make big, fancy infomercials.

THE PEOPLE GAVE him that money. I GAVE him money freely to do with as he saw fit. No one taxed me or forced me to give. I am completely satisfied with how he spent it.

In my opinion, unless you personally gave him money and are dissatisfied with the campaign he ran, you have no room to whine and complain about how much he got or how he spent it.

People who are supporting McCain's tax cuts for the wealthy obviously want them to be able to keep their money and spend it however they like. Well, that goes both ways. It's hypocritical to say that Obama shouldn't spend so much money on his campaign, especially when WE, the PEOPLE, GAVE it to him to SPEND to get elected...

That money could be spent on much better things and nobody can deny that.

I DENY THAT. There is NO better way that I want MY money spent than to elect a person who can pull this country out of its current mess. If you think Obama is lying and fear-mongering, that's fine. That's your opinion. Don't vote for him. But many people have a different opinion. And since we're giving our money, it's not for you to say how it's spent. It's really nobody else's business.

As newguyhere2 said, Obama ran a virtually flawless campaign and his presidency (should he win) will be just as spectacular.

Money helps a campaign, but without a message that resonates with the people it's nothing. Ross Perot, anyone? If Obama wins this, it will be because he deserves it. You cannot buy an election.

Originally posted by TheAgentNineteen
They should by law require all candidates to go through the Finance System, and allocate each of them the same amount of Money.

I find it hilarious that when the Obama disparagers think he's winning, they want everything to be government-controlled and capped and regulated. They're all for "big government" to control how the people spend their money!!! Sorry. I'll spend my money the way I want, thank you. And if it's to help elect the person I want in office, I'll thank you to keep your caps and restrictions and regulations out of it.

I'm just saying.

A few comments:

1) Apparently Obama supporters who participate in this thread have a difficult time reading what is written in whole and instead focus on trying to turn my comments into some anti-Obama rhetoric.

2) It's funny how those that avoided making an attempt at intelligent response to my posts are the ones flinging insults and crying to mods.

Anything negative these days against Obama is censored.

Anti-McCain comments are in BOLD

reply to post by ANNED


Actually I work for a Medicare, CVA, and Tricare processor and let me tell you there is still a ton of paper moving in the system. We have a warehouse under my feet right now that is lined to the cieling with boxes of paper. I bet your social security number and medical history are somewhere in there if you're a Vet that's used his medical care in the past twenty years

Something you guys, all of you, really need to keep in mind here -

Obama wouldn't have had the money to do this 30 minute ad if he hadn't broken one of his very first committments to using only public funds for his campaign.

So yes, kudos to your candidate for getting what he wanted by breaking campaign pledges and promises. If this is an indication of how he intends to run his presidency, then we're all in deep trouble. The difference is you Obama supporters just don't know it yet. But you will figure it out as one by one, Obama goes back on his word, on things he promised during the campaign.

reply to post by FlyersFan


Although I see where some of this guys information is correct, Obama is saying what every other politician RUNNING for this office has claimed before. They would give hard figures because that is what they are told by the people they hire to run them. Do they ever pan out? Nope. Why? Not because the president doesn't want to but because the people supporting him don't want him to (too many negatives there, sorry.)

I'll be honest with you right now. This infomercial most likely sealed McCain's fate. Anyone who was on the fence that took the time to watch this video is most likley fallen off onto the Obama side. He is a good speaker (and he is a good speaker WITHOUT a prompter too unlike many desparate conservatives have tried to claim otherwise). He seems to be able to relate well with the average American and that may be enough to win them over.

Sorry, but that is what I saw. I still stand by the fact that I will not vote for him or McCain but I see him winning this thing in a landslide. I said he would win 337 of the electoral college. I believe it may be a bit larger now. Closer to 358 because Florida may swing his way now.

Now, in regards to your 'the one' comment. That is another pathetic ploy put out there by the likes of Rush and O'Reilly. By calling him 'the Messiah' or 'the Chosen One' is a childish mind game being played. It is done by those that are afraid of their oponent and I can clearly see why now.

Obama will win on Tuesday in a landslide.

reply to post by SGSPatriot


You are sadly mistaken. You are one of the many that look at things from the one-sided view that is so common nowadays. The right says that the media is liberal and slams McCain. Yet the left say that the media is conservative and slams Obama. You see, it's what THEY want you to see. And you have sadly fallen for it all hook line and sinker. And you probably think you are being patriotic by blindly supporting your party (I should say our party but right now I no longer believe the republican party is what it was when I first voted).

You listen to Rush and Bill too much obviously. I listen to Rush (can't stomach O'Reilly at all anymore) and can hear his desparation. He plays it off like he is confident but you can see it. He starts the name calling and 'the Messiah' BS to try and degrade Obama further. I can see people cheering his tirades and laughing at what he says about Obama but that's just brainwashing.

Think for yourself. Really look at what is going on and you may come to see that both sides are indeed getting slammed and promoted virtually equally.

If it does tend to go lopsided it is most likely because the McCain team has decided to go VERY negative on their attacks (which much have been shot down easily). That's another reason I have distanced myself further from the republican party.

Originally posted by sos37
Obama wouldn't have had the money to do this 30 minute ad if he hadn't broken one of his very first committments to using only public funds for his campaign.

You sound as "sour" as McCain does about this.

Obama promised to meet with McCain and discuss it. Their lawyers met and determined an agreement could not be reached. He never promised to use only public funds.

Source

In fact, Mr. Obama stopped short of making a flat promise to participate in the public financing system. Asked in a questionnaire whether he would take part if his opponents did the same, Mr. Obama wrote yes. But he added, “If I am the Democratic nominee, I will aggressively pursue an agreement with the Republican nominee to preserve a publicly financed general election.”

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Ouch ,there goes another argument down the tank for the right... LOL. Love it. Good stuff BH


Naturally we wont hear a retort...

reply to post by bknapple32


oh i'm sorry i didn't know just because i decided not to vote for Osama i mean Obama or Bush SR i mean McCain i wasn't allowed to watch my Television to See and hear the absolute BULLCRAP Obama Spewed last night to try and understand why people like yourself have bought into turning the U.S. into a socialist country.

heres some facts about the lies Obama told you last night.

healthcare:

A sampling of what voters heard in the ad, and what he didn't tell them:

THE SPIN: "That's why my health care plan includes improving information technology, requires coverage for preventive care and pre-existing conditions and lowers health care costs for the typical family by $2,500 a year."

THE FACTS: His plan does not lower premiums by $2,500, or any set amount. Obama hopes that by spending $50 billion over five years on electronic medical records and by improving access to proven disease management programs, among other steps, consumers will end up saving money. He uses an optimistic analysis to suggest cost reductions in national health care spending could amount to the equivalent of $2,500 for a family of four. Many economists are skeptical those savings can be achieved, but even if they are, it's not a certainty that every dollar would be passed on to consumers in the form of lower premiums.

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THE SPIN: "I also believe every American has a right to affordable health care."

THE FACTS: That belief should not be confused with a guarantee of health coverage for all. He makes no such promise. Obama hinted as much in the ad when he said about the problem of the uninsured: "I want to start doing something about it." He would mandate coverage for children but not adults. His program is aimed at making insurance more affordable by offering the choice of government-subsidized coverage similar to that in a plan for federal employees and other steps, including requiring larger employers to share costs of insuring workers.

Spending and tax cuts:

THE SPIN: "I've offered spending cuts above and beyond their cost."

THE FACTS: Independent analysts say both Obama and Republican John McCain would deepen the deficit. The nonpartisan Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget estimates Obama's policy proposals would add a net $428 billion to the deficit over four years — and that analysis accepts the savings he claims from spending cuts. The nonpartisan Tax Policy Center, whose other findings have been quoted approvingly by the Obama campaign, says: "Both John McCain and Barack Obama have proposed tax plans that would substantially increase the national debt over the next 10 years." The analysis goes on to say: "Neither candidate's plan would significantly increase economic growth unless offset by spending cuts or tax increases that the campaigns have not specified."

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THE SPIN: "Here's what I'll do. Cut taxes for every working family making less than $200,000 a year. Give businesses a tax credit for every new employee that they hire right here in the U.S. over the next two years and eliminate tax breaks for companies that ship jobs overseas. Help homeowners who are making a good faith effort to pay their mortgages, by freezing foreclosures for 90 days. And just like after 9-11, we'll provide low-cost loans to help small businesses pay their workers and keep their doors open. "

THE FACTS: His proposals — the tax cuts, the low-cost loans, the $15 billion a year he promises for alternative energy, and more — cost money, and the country could be facing a record $1 trillion deficit next year. Indeed, Obama recently acknowledged — although not in his commercial — that: "The next president will have to scale back his agenda and some of his proposals."

SOURCE

redistribution of wealth? that is what socialist and communist countries do, not what capitalist nations do. Obama strikes me as a cult leader praying on the weak minded people of the country. Obama wants to follow in the steps that FDR took through the great depression. he wants to freeze the economy where its at so it won't fall any farther. yeah that worked real well back then. The next election after he passed the new deal the repubs got control of congress and started repealing parts of the new deal that weren't helping and stimulated the economy.

Obama's policies are the new deal 2, and they will not work!

reply to post by Mercenary2007


Where or where in that fact check, do you see a socialist movement? Its absurd. Even in one of your own fact checks it says mccains economic plan wont be any better. HA

reply to post by scotty18


Lol, now you have just drifted into the realm of not making sense. Perhaps no one answers your points because..

a. they dont make coherent sense

b. no one cares what you have to say

c. they have been answered long before you were here.

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