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Whats REALLY going on?

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posted on Oct, 9 2008 @ 10:35 PM
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As I'm somewhat new to this board I thought I'd ask a broad question, but ask for "short" answers.

Feel free to take you're thoughts "out" as far as you like but I'd like to see some interesting thoughts/theories from people who think outside the box.

As far as I go, aside from the obvious, i find these days somewhat confusing so I don't have that much to offer.



looking forward to some interesting posts.....




posted on Oct, 9 2008 @ 10:38 PM
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Life is going on. Billions of people are acting in different way for different reasons, and the results look to us like "trends" and "movements." Conspiracies exist, to be sure, but they are dwarfed by all those actors improvising their scenes here on Earth.

You may as well enjoy the ride.



posted on Oct, 9 2008 @ 10:40 PM
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whats really going on?...im really going to bed... so tired. welcome to ATS.. i am new too. but id like to think i am catching on pretty well... who knows.



posted on Oct, 9 2008 @ 10:41 PM
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Originally posted by Grumble
Life is going on. Billions of people are acting in different way for different reasons, and the results look to us like "trends" and "movements." Conspiracies exist, to be sure, but they are dwarfed by all those actors improvising their scenes here on Earth.

You may as well enjoy the ride.


thats kinda how I feel , but I often can't shake the feeling that something "bigger" is going on.......



posted on Oct, 9 2008 @ 10:51 PM
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Clearlight, while I do not claim to be an expert, I can tell you that what iscurrenly going on is anything but good. I never thought I'd ever see such a mess. Kind of funny in a way. My father, God bless him, used to try and tell me, "Boy, I feel sorry for your generation. I even feel sorrier for your children."

I used to wonder what he meant. Now it has become quite clear. It is amazing how much insight some people have.

When one looks at the present situation, one thing has become obvious. We ar living in a world that has become overly diversified. There are too many who think thy have all of the ansers; alas, only for it to be a fact that no one does.

I mean, we are fighting a war, which is really nothing but a religious one, that is aimed at convincing people that our way of life is correct. However, it's a two-sided coin. THEY, Muslims, are doing likewise. It's really a sad scenario with a bad ending in sight.

Then we have elitist politicians marching around under the banner of "goodness" saying some pretty despicable things. While these elitists are telling us what we want to hear, the observant person is left scratching his/her proverbial head.

We live in a world that has become over theorized and segregated. There are so many theories about so many things that people don't even know what to believe. You read or hear about a theory of something, only to read or hear another, albeit contradictory theory, about the same exact thing. What is a person to do?

Honestly,Clearlight, whatever is going on, it's going to lead to something which we will have to struggle against. There will be no other option.

[edit on 9-10-2008 by SpeakerofTruth]

[edit on 9-10-2008 by SpeakerofTruth]



posted on Oct, 9 2008 @ 10:55 PM
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You mean RIGHT now??? Well right now, Im taking about 5 minutes to step away from watching the Wolrd markets to go smoke, which will ensue precisely after having hit the post reply key.

Apart from that, I just don't know man...


AB1



posted on Oct, 9 2008 @ 11:02 PM
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Originally posted by alphabetaone
reply to post by clearlight808
 


You mean RIGHT now??? Well right now, Im taking about 5 minutes to step away from watching the Wolrd markets to go smoke, which will ensue precisely after having hit the post reply key.

Apart from that, I just don't know man...


AB1

wishful thinking?



posted on Oct, 9 2008 @ 11:02 PM
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Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
Clearlight, while I do not claim to be an expert, I can tell you that what iscurrenly going on is anything but good. I never thought I'd ever see such a mess. Kind of funny in a way. My father, God bless him, used to try and tell me, "Boy, I feel sorry for your generation. I even feel sorrier for your children."

I used to wonder what he meant. Now it has become quite clear. It is amazing how much insight some people have.

When one looks at the present situation, one thing has become obvious. We ar living in a world that has become overly diversified. There are too many who think thy have all of the ansers; alas, only for it to be a fact that no one does.

I mean, we are fighting a war, which is really nothing but a religious one, that is aimed at convincing people that our way of life is correct. However, it's a two-sided coin. THEY, Muslims, are doing likewise. It's really a sad scenario with a bad ending in sight.

Then we have elitist politicians marching around under the banner of "goodness" saying some pretty despicable things. While these elitists are telling us what we want to hear, the observant person is left scratching his/her proverbial head.

We live in a world that has become over theorized and segregated. There are so many theories about so many things that people don't even know what to believe. You read or hear about a theory of something, only to read or hear another, albeit contradictory theory, about the same exact thing. What is a person to do?

Honestly,Clearlight, whatever is going on, it's going to lead to something which we will have to struggle against. There will be no other option.

[edit on 9-10-2008 by SpeakerofTruth]

[edit on 9-10-2008 by SpeakerofTruth]


Once again , I can agree with that, but is it just too many people in the world?? like you CANT make it work?



posted on Oct, 9 2008 @ 11:04 PM
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lol no, wishful thinking would mean that now, that I'm back, and after I finished that smoke, that I would have come back to find that the economic turmoil was only just the machinations of my over-active mind.

But, alas, they're not.


AB1



posted on Oct, 9 2008 @ 11:11 PM
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WORLD, i dont know whats going on,
but something definately IS!!!



posted on Oct, 9 2008 @ 11:13 PM
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Originally posted by clearlight808
[but is it just too many people in the world?? like you CANT make it work?


I hate to say it, but yeah, that's probably a part of it. However, one must keep in mind the technologically and scientifically, we have gained more knowledge in the last fifty years than we have in the entirety of human history. Honestly, I think we are learning too much way too fast.





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posted on Oct, 9 2008 @ 11:15 PM
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I don't necessarily believe that overpopulation itself is the issue. I think it's more of an issue of a mismanagement of technology and a mismanagement of resources. What proper "management" of such things is, I don't know, but I think it is imperative that we start deciding what that will look like. I'm considering going back to the university to begin studying some form of engineering so that I can begin researching some things to improve our world rather than simply living within it passively.

There's going to be a meeting this weekend of the G7, the World Bank, and basically every other financial institution around. We'll see just how inept this group really is. If they can unclog the credit market and get the LIBOR rate down, we might be able to salvage things before they tumble too far into an actual currency spiral. That is, of course, dependant on the idea that this hasn't been some sort of engineered disaster.

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posted on Oct, 9 2008 @ 11:20 PM
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A lot of questions, with no apparent answere. A better way to look at it (in my eyes) is "what's going on in my world?"



posted on Oct, 9 2008 @ 11:21 PM
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Originally posted by v4vendetta
WORLD, i dont know whats going on,
but something definately IS!!!


EXACTLY!



posted on Oct, 9 2008 @ 11:22 PM
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Originally posted by Nerds
A lot of questions, with no apparent answere. A better way to look at it (in my eyes) is "what's going on in my world?"


when unless i go solipsist on you, the IS other stuff outside myself....



posted on Oct, 9 2008 @ 11:24 PM
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Originally posted by SimpleAnswers
reply to post by clearlight808
 


I don't necessarily believe that overpopulation itself is the issue. I think it's more of an issue of a mismanagement of technology and a mismanagement of resources. What proper "management" of such things is, I don't know, but I think it is imperative that we start deciding what that will look like. I'm considering going back to the university to begin studying some form of engineering so that I can begin researching some things to improve our world rather than simply living within it passively.

There's going to be a meeting this weekend of the G7, the World Bank, and basically every other financial institution around. We'll see just how inept this group really is. If they can unclog the credit market and get the LIBOR rate down, we might be able to salvage things before they tumble too far into an actual currency spiral. That is, of course, dependant on the idea that this hasn't been some sort of engineered disaster.

[edit on 9-10-2008 by SimpleAnswers]


tonight i was watching a mining thing on some channel and couldnt help but feel like we were just hollowing out the resources of this lovely plante and how greedy it was to do so, beyond survival and all....



posted on Oct, 9 2008 @ 11:26 PM
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Clearlight, certainly. We take and take and take. Eventually, we are going to be lost because there will be nothing left to take.

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posted on Oct, 9 2008 @ 11:28 PM
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Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
Clearlight, certainly. We take and take and take. Eventually, we are going to be lost because there will be nothing left to take.

[edit on 9-10-2008 by SpeakerofTruth]


i was thinking while watching the lead mining special that a "cavein" in the figurative sense is inevitable when you keep "hollowing things out" once again in the figurative sense



posted on Oct, 9 2008 @ 11:47 PM
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Exactly right, a "cave in" is a good analogy, more or less what I see happening as well. And in our defense, there was a time period where our use of resources and various economic systems were quite necessary, even cutting edge and somewhat maverick for their time.

The problem is, our financial and government systems were regarded with reverence rather than reason and took on religious-like fervor. I don't mean that in a slight to religion, just that people took ideas like "capitalism", "communism" and the like and became zealots, without keeping in mind that as technology and time progresses, new models may actually become available that are improvements over the current systems.

There are few certainties in this world, but one of them is that complete disregard for the proper use of our world's resources will ensure we don't reach another world to do the same. In my opinion, another is that the monetary system we live in today using fractional reserve banking is entirely too easy to manipulate and too open to corruption.

Do not get bogged down by hopelessness, however, if you can avoid it. It certainly feels very difficult right now, and it very well might get worse. Simply act and live in a way that you feel promotes the world you would wish to live in. There is a reason that media is often used as a weapon, because the state of mind of the individual is one of the most powerful machines of change. So guard your mind from others' ideas and manipulations you don't wish to be infected with and practice critical thinking and self examination. There are many teachers to be found as well. Personally, I'm a big fan of Carl Sagan and I've begun to study some of the ideas of Jiddu Krishnamurti.

They work for me. I'm sure you have your own teachers and philosophies.





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posted on Oct, 9 2008 @ 11:52 PM
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Originally posted by SimpleAnswers
........ engineered disaster.

[edit on 9-10-2008 by SimpleAnswers]


This is exactly it, in the grand scheme of events, the current global economic meltdown was engineered according to a roadmap by the super elite.

The run up in oil was engineered to wipe out billions of dollars in mutal funds as the sheeple fund managers moved assets around chasing the "dollar" in the name of greed.

They ran up oil and created a panic regarding Demand demand demand not enough supply and the price kept going up as more and more money was dumped into buying oil contracts.

On the street the gas prices affected transportation which in turn cut profits and increased material costs to market raising food prices and for a time causing a shift in pricing at the wholesale level. Which cut the sales volumes of many many companies.

This caused layoffs and less income to business, which started to default on credit lines and in turn employees defaulting on car loans and home loans.

"banks" played the sad card claiming "losses" and contributed to the panic by choking off lending and access to cash.

Money shifted from oil to stocks and back and forth each time under cost selling wiped out huge amounts of "cash". Only to have the prices rally back up a few days later creating the cycle over and over again.

Predatory "bankers" with the aid of the FED STOLE BILLIONS when they took WAMU, stealing BILLIONS OF STOCKHOLDER money. Money already paid to WAMU and used to "assets" more then 300 Billion in assets for $1.2 Billion ?????

Yes there are some elite power hungry money greedy people that over the last 6 months have made BILLIONS of dollars, at the expense of retires and stockholders. Mutal funds have seen large amounts of "cash" vanish in the bank failures.

Imagine if you were Company X and part of your portfolio for your Company pensions were invested in Wamu lets say $80 Million in share value and then in one day its all gone, worthless. How many retired people and close to retired people did just your Company alone effect ?

Imagine if you were worth $100 million and $95 million was in failing stocks, now worthless ?

Imagine if you were 65 years old with $500k in your pension fund only to find out the fund manager was in high risk markets holding WAMU or AIG or bought into high priced oil commodities only to lose 45% of its value... Your retirement looks a little bleak now.

Stocks always seemed to me a wonderful illusion designed to steal peoples money, akin to snake oil and con men. The magician's creating "value" where there is none.

Why does a company like Google have so much in stock value? Compared to a Company that may have $400 million or more in hard assets, owning factories and machinery, land etc that creates products that everyday consumers buy sell and consume ???

The bleeding will not stop until they have stolen the last dollar and squeezed the last penny possible and then they will allow the one world currency to happen and they will happily exchange their "dollars" back into the system and they will have purchased everything tangible there is to own, every house, every business every "asset" and they will join together, not as a functioning Company with A product but as a massive wealth holding entity with the ability and funds to purchase anything at will and everything of any kind of value. They will hold for example 500 Billion in "credits" while an average working may earn 500 "credits" a month and own no rights to anything that could appreciate in value.. Almost impossible then to unseat those holding all the wealth.

This is our fate.




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