Originally posted by Enigma Publius
First: why doesn't God perform the obvious miracles like he did in the bible? by obvious i mean the seas parting, a burning bush, a man arising from
if by miracle you mean divine intervention, then one must ask what the criteria is for god to intervene.
satan´s tests to jesus shed some light on this. in one of the tests, satan told jesus to throw himself off the wall of the temple because surely god
would send angels to rescue him. obviously with us, this doesnt happen. if i throw myself off a wall, i cannot expect saving.
the key difference between jesus and me is that im imperfect, jesus was perfect. perfection means to meet god´s standard. jesus didnt sin. the books
of romans points out that the penalty for sin is death. since jesus never sinned, he actually deserves to live.
if jesus actually deserves to live according to god´s justice, then god would protect him.
so then this raises the question. why did jesus die, and why do sometimes imperfect people get saved (like daniel with the lions)?
the answer is god´s will. jesus said that he was sent to do not his will but of the one that sent him (God). it was god´s will that jesus died which
had to do with the ransom and is a whole other discussion. the point is, that jesus died because god had to let him die, even though he deserved
(keyword: deserved) god´s intervention.
imperfect humans receive divine intervention when it furfills god´s will. jesus´ healing enable jesus to establish that he was in fact the messiah
and was sent from god. it would be hard if not impossible to do that without miraculous works. the apostles needed miracles to help establish the
congregation. again, it would have been hard if not impossible without.
even the parting of the red sea was in harmony with god´s purpose to save the isrealites and eventually get them to the promise land.
i know there are alot of stories about people being ¨saved¨ in one way or another. but one has to ask several questions, in what way is the person
being saved bringing glory to god? daniel being saved from the lions forced the king to acknowledge god. when paul was in prison, the earthquake that
freed him helped the jailman to find the truth. miracles specifically glorify god. if the situation doesnt bring glory to god, then why do some get
saved and some dont? is it not possible that its not a miracle but actually something we just simply dont understand? remember, apostles were killed
which brings us to the next part. why not today? this was touched upon in another thread.
today, we have the complete bible along with 6,000 years of the testimony of human rule. with this information, one does not need miracles to arrive
at the truth of matters. if one does not need miracles, then why would god provide miracles?
in this day and age, with science and what have you making it harder to have faith in a book that has some very fundamental flaws (i.e. the
earth being around 6,000 years old etc.)
this was gone over in depth in another thread, the days are not literal but rather denote a period of time.
the only ones that think the days a literal and christians who dont look deeper into their bible and atheists who like to use it to prove that the
bible is trash.
why, when we need it more than ever before, does God not perform these huge feats that could not be explained away? In this age of doubt, when
we need God to show himself more than ever, why does he stay silent?
2 reasons, one because its not needed. and second, because he said he would allow people to deceive themselves if they so chose to
2 thess 2:
 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his
 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation
through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
this is a commonly mistranslated scripture so i included the context. basically god permits the delusion. people fool themselves and others. satan
himself uses signs and lying wonders. god sits back and permits it. why? because ¨him, whose coming is after¨ or jesus will destroy the delusion
with his coming. so basically what you are asking for IS coming. and you can be prepared for it because of the ¨gospel¨ or accounts of jesus, the
whole bible even.
Or is he simply a God that does not intervine, only create and watch.
certainly not. god abhores injustice. his tolerance of it is only because it just for him to wait. remember, the preaching has to be finished before
the end of the world.
1 tim 2: 3 This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Also: the idea of coming to Christ being the ONLY way to get to Paradise, Heaven, is not reasonable at all.
i dont have the energy to go over this right at the moment but i will later, i promise