Originally posted by JennaAnd when your choice is between two potential deaths how is that a choice?that is the first really properly stupid question i have heard!!! seriously,ci'm nt going to dignify that with an answer, it degrades both of us.
The military doesn't say "hey, you can join, get paid, and decide if and when you go to war!"no it doesn't, again, what is your point? as i said, the troops joined the military knowing they were getting themselves into.
They were both approved by Congress and signed into law by Bush.domestic law doesn't apply to international conflict, congressional approval does not make a war legal. seriously, i told you this already.the UN charter
As shown above, it is not unlawful either here or through international law or the UN would have pitched a fit. As it stands they didn't. We were attacked, we fought back. That is not preemptive.oh yeah, explain to me how exactly the state of afghanistan or the state of iraq attacked america. and none of your links work, but it doesn't matter, i know for a fact that the war wasn't authorised by the UN. it doesn't matter how you or anybody else tries to twist the wording of various resolutions, america failed to get a final resolution authorising an attack on iraq and it went in anyway. lets not attempt to re-write history on a site that attempts to deny ignorance.
They are fair comparisons as long as you ignore the fact that they had literally been brainwashed by a psychopathpeh, utter rubbish. if you knew anything about history you'ld know that eugenics was popular in much of the western world throughout the 30's and 40's, hitlers final solution was just the culmination of widespread beliefs. hitler didn't come up with the idea, he just took it to it's natural conclusion.
They are different entities. Not one and the same. If they were the military would be telling the government what to do but they don't because they can't. Once again, they had no choice and no one said a word until they decided that the definition had been broadened too much.do you think that if you spout the same crap over and over again i'll just concede. i have answered this point in detail. while the government can issue orders to the military, and they can then filter down to the troops, the troops may choose to disobey those orders.
It may not be in their job description, but I would be surprised if they stood there and watched a civilian get shot and not do anything.so they are not in iraq protecting the innocent, you agree?
I didn't say they control the country, police the country, stop training/recruitment of insurgents, etc.what you said was "But we are and there is no honor in leaving innocent people in the hands of insurgents and crazies who will kill them for the slightest perceived wrong." if they don't control or police the country, and they allow insurgents to continue recruitment and training, they are being left in the hands of insurgents regardless of weather the US is in iraq or not.
I know many people who were not willing to go to war. They didn't want to leave their families and friends to go get shot at and shoot back. They didn't want to go and risk their lives. They did. Because if they didn't go, someone would get sent in their place and they didn't want to be responsible for someone else dieing in their place.oh my word, thats the lamest excuse i've ever heard, i'm going to an illegal war so someone else doesn't have to. yeah right. do you buy that? do you realise they are killing at a far higher rate than they are being killed? do you have any idea how many people each of those troops have killed in iraq. they have gone to iraq and shot someone because they wanted to save somebody else from that experience, even though they knew it was wrong. do you buy that? do you support that.
Go ahead and say I live in a dream world. Doesn't bother me a bit. Much better than living in a cynical nightmare of my own construction where I blame people who didn't make these decisions while letting the ones who did run free to make morei didn't say the government was right, i said the troops were as culpable for their crimes as the government is. yeah, you go ahead and bury your head in your dream world, ignorance is bliss and all that. why bother with cold hard reality. why bother to critise the crimes being committed in iraq by americans. support the troops, allow them to believe that the american people support this war.
i hope the bush admin do get charged with war crimes, i really hope they do, i hope all those soldiers realise they have been committing war crimes, i hope the american people realise they have elected and reelected a war criminal, i hope all that happens. america and the other willing cronies will live with the guilt of this war for a long time to come in the exact same way as germany has lived with ww2.
