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reply posted on 10-10-2008 @ 11:54 AM by Tytanius
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reply to post by Power_Semi
I have to say, that is a very interesting post and something that I was certainly unaware of. Interesting the last note with regards to the value of
paper money and the hint of a reversion back to the "gold standard." i.e. invest in bullion.
Many Regards,
Tytanius.
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reply posted on 10-10-2008 @ 12:06 PM by earthman4
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This article shows us the immorality of making money from just moving money, then urges us to sell short. Maybe the millions of people who have made a
good living off of not producing any goods or services should be the ones to blame.
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reply posted on 10-10-2008 @ 12:29 PM by EvilAxis
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I would commend Chris Martenson's Crash Course to anyone trying to get
a handle on where we are at present and how we got there.
Today he brings this snippet of Bloomberg news:
Oct. 10 (Bloomberg) -- Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi said political leaders are discussing the idea of closing the world's financial
markets while they ``rewrite the rules of international finance.'' ``The idea of suspending the markets for the time it takes to rewrite the rules
is being discussed,'' Berlusconi said today after a Cabinet meeting in Naples, Italy. A solution to the financial crisis ``can't just be for one
country, or even just for Europe, but global.'
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reply posted on 10-10-2008 @ 02:11 PM by Stormdancer777
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ex Fannie Mae executives
FRANKLIN RAINES Obama Campaign Chief Economic Advisor
TIM HOWARD Economic Advisor to Obama
JIM JOHNSON Senior Obama Finance Advisor
coincidence?
or plot?
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reply posted on 10-10-2008 @ 03:26 PM by revibe
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Finally, Starred and Flagged!!
Being a former banker myself in canada I,ve been trying to get the media, CNN, lou dobbs etc. anyone to start looking and discussing the G7's Basel
Accord I & II seriously. These accords have been in the making and implementation stage for sometime now with no one outside of the affected
institutions and even those within being quite hush hush about these accords. I've always seen it as the next step in globalizing financial
institutions.
I left banking about a year ago, worked for National Bank in Canada and was noticing being in the mortgage market how backwards this banks lending
standards were when comparing them against say CIBC or RBC or BMO. My biggest question was always why are the senior excecs so quite about this major
change, what did they know that the average individual did,nt.
Phase II implementation was timely, the new year required all large cap banks to start implementing the new capital requirements. Have you noticed
that small cap banks are still lending and active? Smaller cap banks are not required to follow the accord at this point.
As far as I'm concerned this accord and it's 2 phases of implementation so far were worked out behind closed doors. Major media never took the
initiative to dig into it and inform the people who would ultimately be affected by back door decisions. Seems to support the division being seen and
felt in the world today.
Time for a BIG change to the status quo. This monetary form of life needs to end soon. Another discussion should be started at the grassroots level
with a common goal. Establish a new "World Vision" one that would unite all people with a common goal of freeing people from the captivity our
current monetary system perpetuates equating essentially to Economic Slavery.
Second goal, free everyone from the incentive based requirement to feed, cloth, shelter and provide healthcare. These in my opinion are basic human
rights and represent true needs, not wants, everything outside of these basics are simply "wants".
Every man, woman and child deserves these basics without condition and the technology, resources and ability already exist to ensure this is done.
Got a little off topic there but man, Although I have been watching and waiting for this to happen I was truly hoping this would be the catalyst to
get people thinking about the fact that it does not need to be like this at all anymore and start acting to demand change!! We simply need to unite
on the basics and go from there.
My small opinion, peace!
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reply posted on 10-10-2008 @ 04:22 PM by Skydancer
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Here's more ... by increasing the amount of insured by FDIC from 100K to 250K to stop the silent run on banks. It now requires those banks/members
to pay more to FDIC to insure its customers accounts, meaning they don't have the reserve for loans.
Talk about between a rock and hard spot!
Now the credit card companies are re-evaluating their customers debit to limit ratios ... and if they notice the customer is carrying a debit ratio to
their credit card limit greater than 33% they're going to decrease the limit without notification to card holder.
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reply posted on 10-10-2008 @ 04:26 PM by spacebot
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Originally posted by Teeky
Okay besides the great info giving in this post. Does anyone else sense that the whole Financial Crisis is a complete fraud? And when I say fraud I
mean like totally made up like 911 so that the powers that be can excute some other huge plan? Something isn't right. It's like when we were forced
to watch Britney or Paris every night to distract us. But Maybe I'm leaning too much to the conspiracy side.
A complete fraud?
OF COURSE!
Here is what I understand really went on on some peoples minds, some influential minds.
*They offshore the *SNIP* out of a country to Asia.
*Creating unemployed people or simply people soon to be unemployed. (back then)
*They leave you down to almost collapsing, THEN they START offering you LOANS, without checking your financial credentials (if you were good for
paying it off)
NOW they have someone to blame for their scheme!
In the midst of everything they can add a bit more profit to their own pockets, why not upset the global status quo while they are almost in the
process of hijacking an entire global economy?
*THEY create 9/11, THEY know you will shut up, bow down and continue with your survival, you have loans to pay after all and you indeed have a BIG NEW
HOUSE, so everything is well, especially when you see THEY have created an easy way out for you just in case you screw up, you or your children can go
serve time on the war for the fatherland across the globe to pay out your mortgages.
*WHEN everything fails (as planned) THEN they bring out the plan for blaming YOU! YOU the irresponsible, YOU the lazy, YOU that cannot be trusted.
The plan might be to shift the public opinion to think that in order for the establishment to survive they have to handle YOU and your honest
demands, for food, education, and jobs with extreme prejudice.
Now after their efforts to label any number of the populace as potential terrorists, succeeded..
They have to label you untrustworthy and your honest demands a potential threat to global economy.
One more step towards a One World Government, one step at a time. A permanent boot stuck in the face of Mankind.
Demanding freedom, illegal. demanding food, illegal, demanding, education, illegal, demanding jobs, illegal. It can't get more simple than that
really.
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reply posted on 10-10-2008 @ 07:34 PM by star in a jar
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[ The ones that will not be affected by this are the one who have liquid money, not invested in land, shares and so on]
Curiouser and curiouser... Prior to the market crashes we're seeing lately, I saw mass scale advertisements about land for sales/ auctions, gold for
sale...etc, baiting people to estate sales and gold sales.
Seems like people were being led into a trap
I don't know about everyone, but I would rather have food/supplies than gold deep into the depression.
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reply posted on 11-10-2008 @ 12:31 AM by wutone
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Great post.
I didn't know the enormity of the fraud committed by AIG.
I wonder how much of the economy was built up because of this scheme but it is gonna get ugly when all of it blows up.
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reply posted on 11-10-2008 @ 05:00 AM by St Udio
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The reason Why the banks are dropping like flies is because
the present regulations were not strictly enforced.
the gov't took a Blind Eye approach to the whole banking industry...
for the love of the taxes the banking system could provide,
along with the contributions the bank industry & individuals sent to politicians.
a bunch of mutual back-scratching was going on for decades!
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now, it's a matter of where we go from here.
the weekend meetings of: the G-7, the World-Bank, and other 'rules makers' will surprise the world with a bunch of new rules on how banks will
operate...
independent banks, will be out of the Central Bankers loop
all USA member banks will be regulated by a Fed/Treasury, with a more powerful SEC as the enforcement agent.
Globally, all national Treasuries will back up their currency with 5%
in Gold/PM reserves. (Reserve currency is exempt from this rules, so it may be freely exchanged between nations for trade payment)
Beginning this weekend there will be initiated a new Order in Finance, whereby national treasuries & banks will generally operate closer to Islamic
law/Socialism than with the former freewheeling, free-market capitalism...
gold & tighter control & what may ammount to rationing...
that's what to expect after the Monday holidays in both the USA & Canada
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reply posted on 11-10-2008 @ 10:12 AM by sirbikesalot06
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There is a conspiracy but take it from the that real story is always hidden because people refuse to see the real story. Here's the link to "This
American Life" show about the economy. Here you will find the real reason behind it and know why things are srewed up.
www.thisamericanlife.org...
Listen to it and then you'll understand that a conspiracy needs a real world explanation to bring down the whole.
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reply posted on 12-10-2008 @ 03:00 PM by Gregarious
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Originally posted by Tytanius
reply to post by Power_Semi
I have to say, that is a very interesting post and something that I was certainly unaware of. Interesting the last note with regards to the value of
paper money and the hint of a reversion back to the "gold standard." i.e. invest in bullion.
The 'gold standard' is not merely investing in gold. It refers to our money being 'receipts' for actual gold held in Ft Knox. It used to say on
the bills that we could take the paper to a Fed office, and redeem it for actual gold. No more. Now it IS supposedly money. And Ft Knox is full of
paper saying they loaned out the gold for a price, payable in paper. IE receipts for that gold. Most of it is supposedly gone. JFK was supposedly
murdered because he was set to take us back to that gold backing, and abolish the British owned Federal Reserve.
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reply posted on 12-10-2008 @ 03:13 PM by michael144
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A revealing story that at the end tells you to buy gold and it just so happens to be posted on a site that ......SELLS GOLD?
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reply posted on 12-10-2008 @ 07:54 PM by cpdaman
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Originally posted by St Udio
The reason Why the banks are dropping like flies is because
the present regulations were not strictly enforced.
present regulation being enforced does not seem to be enough
allowing banking instituion's to be leveraged 30-50 X 1 is the main culprit!
when they have 50X debt then capital, what happens when the outstanding value of the debt falls 10%? = there wiped out.
This was the last gasp of the free market capitalistic model in the finanical system. They deregulated because it would add a few years to the GAME!
and on top of that they already knew they had gained more and more leverage over Washington and the economy that by extending the party in such a
Careless greedy way (which they knew would end in a crash) from falling house values (DUH!) that they were too important and the gov't would bail
them (the big boys) out and they would consolidate the power further. From a business standpoint it was a NO-Brainer.
Read that again peeps
The dwindling minority in honorable gov't is being strangled by the tentacles of this "establishment financial power/party and there MSM
cheerleaders who will try to parrot any number of reason but THE TRUTH for why we are where we are. All they have to do is convince a bunch of
people who do not know much about financial markets that this was an "accident" or blame it on "short sellers" or Basel II regulation, they don't
care which of those you believe, so long as you don't understand what i posted above, because when you see them as the culprit and the premeditated
culprit, you would never allow them to institute the "solution" w/o raising HE%^. The solution will be laying down the infrastructure even further
for a FASCIST Authorotarian ONE world Gov't in my current opinion.
People have been conditioned to stop there critical thinking about subjects like this , especially when certain "slide" words are mentioned like
"conspiracy". The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist, and yes i'm using this as a Metaphor, because
regardless what you think of organized religon's short comings, those at the "top" work tirelessly to keep us in the dark, they have there think
tanks and MSM cheerleaders who pull the wool over most people's eyes, they have developed such a large encompassing manipulative system that most
people toe the "establishment party line" so they can feed there family, meet there debt obligations and on top of that the morals of society today,
leave people caring more about getting drunk or making the most $ that they are apathetic until the amount of economic pain they face is too large
(and then there anger is usually diverted away from the real culprits or marginalized thru food shortages .....and the most frustrating and insulting
thing among those that get it is... that even the most astute intelligent among us have difficulty wrapping there head around it and most people
insult those who put in the time and do this out of an intention of caring!
P.S the next 3 letter abbreviation we should watch is the LOC market
Letters of Credit, John Mauldin in his latest writings, talks about that market showing "signs" of freezing up, and this would lead to big problems
getting food shipped and food on the shelves, this would be (obviously) very bad. it would be ironic there could be a food shortage, neither from
supply or demand , but lack of available credit. could this be used as leverage to get angry people to accept "wall street-downing street's"
solution.
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