Originally posted by rcwj75
Maybe when scumbags/animals stop acting like such during a disaster we wouldn't need to ask for soldiers help. But when you have people stealing, shooting, murdering, raping, ALL while the streets are flooded...you clean up the crap the best way possible.

You were in the military, and still have friends in it...I pray to god they don't think that what you just said is true.

You know, being as almost all those stories have been debunked and proven to be blatant lies in most cases. The raping and shooting at heli's was a bunch of crap that shamefully circulated for awhile.

While I may not believe as the OP believes in regards to these troops being home...I am frightened by the mindset you have shown.

If you can believe that crap (about hurricane Katrina; calling them animals and scumbags), then if the military was ever to be used against the public, they would have at least one soldier to blindly follow orders.

Originally posted by spines
You were in the military, and still have friends in it...I pray to god they don't think that what you just said is true.

You know, being as almost all those stories have been debunked and proven to be blatant lies in most cases. The raping and shooting at heli's was a bunch of crap that shamefully circulated for awhile.

While I may not believe as the OP believes in regards to these troops being home...I am frightened by the mindset you have shown.

If you can believe that crap (about hurricane Katrina; calling them animals and scumbags), then if the military was ever to be used against the public, they would have at least one soldier to blindly follow orders.

Spines I got news for you...I was at Katrina, I spent 7 weeks there. So bluntly put, your wrong, and I'm guessing were nowhere near the decay in N.O. during the days prior to the National Guard coming in to take over relief efforts. So YOU my friend are the one full of crap...and debunked by who? I promise you, those who say it DIDN'T happen are the ones who were NOT there before the NG showed up.

And frightened by my minset...what my common sense to know this is all BS. My FIRST HAND knowledge of what happens if/when troops are asked to work CONUS assignments outside of Posse Comitatus. Not to mention I am a law enforcement officer near a city with over 6 million people in it...which means IF this ever comes to be truth, I think I would know..considering it would take ABOUT 8-10 MILLION soldiers just to seize Atlanta alone...if you want total control of the AO. Of course if you wanted to just shoot and kill every person you see and NOT capture any of them, then you could get away with 4 million troops for Atlanta. But currently the US has how many serving in uniform? Do the math, and you'll see how far fetched this is...

And assuming I would blindly follow orders...why because I know more then you about this subject? Because I WAS there at Katrina and saw the SCUM take advantage of each other...because being civil isn't an option to them? Because you read some articles or watched a news broadcast and THINK you know more then those of us who were there, or lived the life?

This isn't about katrina, its about a ploy to make people fear something thats NOT happening. But, if you want to get to the root of it all, look at katrina...and how people DID act during that time, and you can see why the soldiers may have to help out.



[edit on 10/9/2008 by rcwj75]

My son just got done going through the devastation in Houston ,when it was at it worst he said that FEMA was completely missing where he was at there was no Red Cross anywhere not one bit of food aid or anything like that ,but he said the garbage trucks were coming by on the hour and that the Police were doing a spectacular job of keeping order, he told me about some guys that were price gouging water and pop and he said the cops shut those guys down as well they should ,he also said the cops were real heroes and peace keepers in that time and he had nothing but good things to say about what they were doing. H e didn't see any Troops or any abuses of power

Just drove by an old army barracks that has been abandoned for 10 years in Natick, MA and it is now filled with cammo'ed transport trucks and humvees! I almost drove off the road upon seeing this! They are getting ready for something and now its hitting way too close to home.

A quick question, just to clear things up for all these deluded people who for some reason have unconditional confidence in the military.

Ever been on a protest march ?

Ever got shot at with rubber bullets, or tear gassed by your sons and daughters and fathers and such ? By your "fellow americans" ?
By people who follow orders and who don't CARE who the F*** they are shooting, kicking, gassing, bludgeoning ? Because that's their job ? Because they got orders ? Maybe it might have knocked some sense into you.

Never trust a man who's job is to shoot people. Never trust a man who is the system's gun arm. Full stop.

Originally posted by Ismail

Ever got shot at with rubber bullets.....

Nah, just with real ones.

And you know that Cops are the ones working protest marches, not the US military.

Originally posted by Ismail

Ever been on a protest march ?

Ever got shot at with rubber bullets, or tear gassed by your sons and daughters and fathers and such ? By your "fellow americans" ?
By people who follow orders and who don't CARE who the F*** they are shooting, kicking, gassing, bludgeoning ?

historically your ok if you are peaceful.

poke a bear with a stick and no tree can save you.

remember the million man march? i wasnt there, i wasnt even born, but the media was. multiple media outlets usually provide citizens security of justice through film.

Originally posted by ConMi27

Background: the First Brigade of the Third Infantry Division, three to four thousand soldiers, has been deployed in the United States as of October 1. Their stated mission is the form of crowd control they practiced in Iraq, subduing "unruly individuals," and the management of a national emergency. I am in Seattle and heard from the brother of one of the soldiers that they are engaged in exercises now. Amy Goodman reported that an Army spokesperson confirmed that they will have access to lethal and non lethal crowd control technologies and tanks.

George Bush struck down Posse Comitatus, thus making it legal for military to patrol the U.S. He has also legally established that in the "War on Terror," the U.S. is at war around the globe and thus the whole world is a battlefield. Thus the U.S. is also a battlefield.

What do you guys think?

"Could face martial law..." - to some degree aren't we already facing it? and with the U.S Army given persmission to control our streets ... thats more control than should be given up to any one group of men to decide. This is a republic is it not? WE DO make decisions don't we? Then somebody explain to me why I woke up to this...



[edit on 9-10-2008 by ConMi27]

Note the quoted words in your insert..."unruly individuals".

Now does it take a slide rule to figure this out or what?

If you have mass public chaos, YES they will enact marital law. OK?

If you have calm, decent normal daily activity of the populace, they WONT enact martial law. OK?

Even a pre schooler can figure that one out.


Cheers!!!!

a group of individuals is hard to control. look at the verbal venom we spit here at ATS, now multiply that by thousands, and add close contact and Body Odor, and yes, you have a cocktail of self destruction.

if your cause means so much to you, why not move to the park and continue your chanting?

if in fact everyone follows proper procedures for said events, and it still gets wild, then whip out your trusty camcorder and watch civil rights in the making.

[edit on 9-10-2008 by drsmooth23]