reply to post by cetta
i disagree with some of your conclusions, but do agree the venus project may not be as good as it sounds.
a society of any type always needs workers, workers will always want more than others due to their labour and efforts and giving up free time, that is
very resonable to expect.
i don't think the bloke who was speaking on the venus project was talking about people not being able to teach their children values, morals etc, i
think he was simply explaining the way corruption works and the way it is today.
IMO the venus project is not all bad, there is a lot of things that could be applied to make the world a better place, and a much more stable
place.
less crime, less stress etc etc.
but i don't think you can escape the system of paid labour, and some sort of bank to store the fruits of your labour.
you could say crime would not be wiped out completely as a result, and things would not be totally free, they would need to cover costs of the labour.
would that mean production and distribution would not be entirely free?if things are not free, everbody else would then need work to buy things.
the only way the venus project could work is with slaves, or free labour, but that would not make it a place of freedom for ALL. and those who work
for free would soon complain.
you would still need scientists, designers just for starters, how else do these machines that do the work get built? you'd also always need
inspectors who inspect the machines for their state of repair.
we would simply move from a workforce supplying society with everyday things, to a society repairing/overseeing things that do it for us.
and if it were possible to get machines to do the whole thing, you'd still need management, to ensure everything is running smoothly and is as it
should be.
even in the most free society you could imagine, you'd always need workers. paid workers means those with more, thus there will always be people who
want to take of those who have more. GREED.
all you could do is build a society where you lessen the negatives, but it would be impossible to wipe out the negative bits completely.
would you still need leaders, training, education, health care, care homes?
or would robots do that to?
you would certainly need people willing to give more than others for free.
and thats the problem, people willing to give something more than others to make it work for free.
the whole reason we went from cultures of people living in primitive settlements, where no one was homeless and nobody went hungry to what we have
today IS because there are always people who don't want to give more than others for free.
the amount of people not willing to give more than others freely must outweigh the amount willing to give more than others freely, otherwise we
would'nt be in this situation now. the future would of been different.
the future would of been the venus project, but its not, its this.
i see the venus project as what it could of been like, a future we forked of from a very long time ago.
[edit on 9-10-2008 by lifeform]
