OK, originally said that civil unrest would of worked many years ago is because i was before all the Martial Law bull. Honestly, Yes i agree, boycotting is too slow, also, by not paying your tax's? What form of retaliation is that? Less than 1% of the population seizing tax pays, doubt it will make a dent.

Ok, I see two option that may perform minimal impact to most of the country. A massive civil unrest held within the streets of D.C., sure the military can fight and attempt to drive us off with non lethal weapons, but I doubt they will go as far as to promote blood shed on the very streets of D.C.

Think of both positive and neg possibilities to that?

Also Zeitgeist is opening the site on the 10th, it should be big, 1 thing doesnt seam right about it though. Are we sure we are on the right side? ARE we SURE we are doing the right thing? MAYBE what ever we conclude to do is in reality what the gov wants?, just think

We all have the freedom to die trying, that is the God given right.

No man can take that away, you must give it.

On the subject of overthrowing the government, the banks and corporations have beaten us to it.

There is nothing left of our government but institutions of the same name and location. Their function and intent bears no resemblance to any who know the original function and intent.

This is of little matter now anyway. This government is about to fall into a military dictatorship as the world economy collapses.

Would you trust a US institution when we reward criminal behavior by them?



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There will NEVER EVER be a revolution in modern america. The population is kept just comfortable enough to not want to revolt.

What would have to be done to achive this would throw this country into a third world state. As soon as that happened (even if it got that far) everything would collapse, and support for it would instantly dry up. Economically this country effects every other country. Look at whats going on now.

This country has lost its soul, the spirit which made it great has been bought and sold to the PTB so many times there is no going back.
The population will not ever choose to overthrow anything.

What would be the point? Would we be a democracy afterwards?

If so do you think the same think would not happen again?

The same people would vote for CHIP DOUGLAS (R).
Because he is a good christian, loves guns, wants a free market...

In reality CHIP likes little boys, doesn't read, could give a half a S#$% about
anybody...

For christ sake man I wish it would help us... The same people would drool at the sight of the new flag... ON and ON.

I think a better solution would be to split the country...

The conservative states of America - where everyone can pack heat, no minimum wage, national religion, creationism in school, WHATEVER they want...

I would not be living on that side- Because I already am -

Tell me otherwise and you folks can eat a raw one veins and all!

I once wrote a paper in college entitled "Smash the State". Since I can remember, I've always studied civilizations, rulers and nations of people. When not on this site toying with minds, I still play my old copy of Civilization III. I've learned many things.

In war, and yes talking about overthrowing a Government, whether violent or not, is war, ultimately the only thing that matters is the Truth. I hear many people throwing the word around, but I am not sure many know what it means, accepts its existence or realizes its implications. Everyone knows that the sun shines and that the rain falls and some birds fly south for the winter, but they don't accept the idea that men and their creations are also utterly subjected to the Truth. Sure there have been times when the Sun has risen in the West and the truth thrown down, but inevitably the truth returns to conquer.

Which brings me to the OPs post. Do you know why the American Government continues to stand? The answer can only be that it is because the American Government was and is founded upon the Truth; for if it were not, like all lies it would have perished long ago.

Do you know why Dick Cheney can respond openly to the allegation that 70% of Americans are opposed to the Iraq war with "So"? Because Dick Cheney knows the truth. Bush dances for the cameras at the White House because he knows the truth. It doesn't matter what anyone thinks or believes when you know the Truth because you also know that everyone who disagrees with you is either a fool or a liar.

Do you know why then it will be impossible for you to overthrow the American Government? The answer can only be because you can't accept the truth.

For example, If I told you, "to overthrow the American Government you have to overthrow God," an atheist will tell you, "I don't believe in God". An atheist will quickly realize that it doesn't matter what they believe in, but only what is true.

Some guy mentioned that time is running out. He is honest when he tells you this. When this 3 day weekend is complete, the world you will live in next Tuesday, will not be the same world you live in today. I saw this months ago and posted this in many places on this message board. Noone believed it 4 months ago. What do they have to say now!

Do you know what is the Rider on the White Horse? Some may say its a character in a Book that they don't believe in.

I'll tell you what it is. The Rider on the White Horse is a sub-atomic weapons system far more powerful than even the most powerful nuke; or all of them put together. No radiation, no physical damage.

He is the truth personified. He thunders across the Earth and removes falsehood and puts things where they belong. He can't be bribed and cannot be negotiated with. Like the truth, he is incorruptible. He is coming starting at midnight, October 13th 2008.

So, your plans will not work because everything you believe to be true about this country and the world is a lie; as per your posts. I am not saying you are the author of the lie, but its a lie nevertheless. I know its a lie because I know the truth.

Young men like yourself have gone on in life to become leaders within their communities in the past. Because they eventually came to terms with the truth.

So, before you commit suicide by throwing yourself upon the walls of the Kingdom of Heaven and run up on things which are greater than yourself and full of truth and innocence, ask yourself, "what do I really know about the structure of the thing I want to destroy and replace?"



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[edit on 9-10-2008 by bruxfain]

I truly admire your idealism, Suspense101. Nevertheless, allow me to share some painful personal experience, in my own country, about a decade or so ago...

When you try to get people to 'rise up' and be 'involved' in times of harsh crisis, it seemed to fall to into either
-an out of control, rowdy, violent mob filled with frustations and anger (can't imagine how it's going to be in the US, with so many people owning their own fire arms?)
OR
-a solid and radical group, that continue to diminish in both number and appeal. as 'internal radicalization' cuts them away from the general population need for stability and 'normalcy'...

It's just a personal experience of course.

[edit on 9-10-2008 by KembaraLangit]

The PWB have been planning for just such a situation for many years. Any 'unrest' or 'violent uprising' will play perfectly into their plans. There is little doubt that 'they' themselves will be inciting unrest in order to justify their planned draconian policies.

So what to do? First, screw-up their powerbase. We do that by everyone voting-out EVERY incumbent on the ballot from local to Washington this November. Every one. If we were able to do that it would send an absolutely unmistakeable message. Not even the MSM could spin that one.

Next, we ALL need to begin to get involved in our local (city/town) governments and force them to address larger issues rather then spending 100% of their time debating local budget issues. A good start is to INSIST that our local police departments understand that they take orders from our town governments. Not Washington. Not the State. If the Chief et al balks, replace him/her.

In order to turn the current tide we need to start from the ground up. Start locally. Demonstrations and anything that could remotely be called 'civil unrest' will bring the hammer down. And 'their' hammer is way bigger than ours (in its current form). We need to get our local governments thinking like us, with OUR interests first. Then get our local governments to pressure our state governments. Our state governments have the legal authority to investigate and prosecute Federal officials --- including the President.

The ONLY thing we have that can make one whit of difference is our unity --- which right now is being systematically eroded. We need to start there.

You realize you just made the list of 1,000,000+ "Domestic Threats" the Homeland Security Department has, right?

Having said that - and knowing that I've already hit that list via my ranting on ATS - I'm with you.

The "rulers" of this nation, namely career politicians, have become a separate class, differing even from those that are among the wealthy, in that they consider themselves more important than the average working class. They've lost touch with what America is and the people that make this nation the greatest in the world. They've been integrated into the Military/Industrial/Corporation/Bureaucratic Complex that has hijacked this country.

Off topic subject, but thought it was worth mentioning:
When asked in an interview the difference between Democrats and Republicans today, Ralph Nader replied something to the point of (paraphrasing), "the velocity at which their knees hit the floor when corporations walk through the door."

I disagree, america is a great place except for certain laws that attack the innocent and sick. (cough-drug war-cough). granted we have corruption, our system still retains enough liberty to at the least voice publicly a problem, hence ATS wouldnt exist in any other government. I argue we dont need to overthrow anything but the corrupt money manipulators and the useless laws formed out of deception. To overthrow the entire government would A: be impossible because so many people are afraid of getting a speeding ticket and B: the government is deceptive and would likely just win by default of its sheer size.

The only way to live then is to be opposed to the way they live and fight daily by opening minds to truth, not violence. Though im just as erked as many about the traitors in power who sell out there mothers, i disagree the whole thing needs repair, just the social aspects and military corruption loopholes.

Originally posted by Scarcer
A massive civil unrest held within the streets of D.C., sure the military can fight and attempt to drive us off with non lethal weapons, but I doubt they will go as far as to promote blood shed on the very streets of D.C.

If there are any doubts to this, I offer up one word: Ohio.

"the world government must be overthrown"...

not with THAT avatar! dude, put a shirt on. worst av' ever.

i think the people will rally in huge numbers when it reaches that tipping point.
who knows how long it will be before we reach that point. but when it tips, all normalcy will come to a halt.

hope the crowds are bigger than the riot force, and armed with gas masks, shields and rubber bullets too.

Originally posted by bruxfain
I once wrote a paper in college entitled "Smash the State". Since I can remember, I've always studied civilizations, rulers and nations of people. When not on this site toying with minds, I still play my old copy of Civilization III. I've learned many things.

In war, and yes talking about overthrowing a Government, whether violent or not, is war, ultimately the only thing that matters is the Truth. I hear many people throwing the word around, but I am not sure many know what it means, accepts its existence or realizes its implications. Everyone knows that the sun shines and that the rain falls and some birds fly south for the winter, but they don't accept the idea that men and their creations are also utterly subjected to the Truth. Sure there have been times when the Sun has risen in the West and the truth thrown down, but inevitably the truth returns to conquer.

Which brings me to the OPs post. Do you know why the American Government continues to stand? The answer can only be that it is because the American Government was and is founded upon the Truth; for if it were not, like all lies it would have perished long ago.

Do you know why Dick Cheney can respond openly to the allegation that 70% of Americans are opposed to the Iraq war with "So"? Because Dick Cheney knows the truth. Bush dances for the cameras at the White House because he knows the truth. It doesn't matter what anyone thinks or believes when you know the Truth because you also know that everyone who disagrees with you is either a fool or a liar.

Do you know why then it will be impossible for you to overthrow the American Government? The answer can only be because you can't accept the truth.

For example, If I told you, "to overthrow the American Government you have to overthrow God," an atheist will tell you, "I don't believe in God". An atheist will quickly realize that it doesn't matter what they believe in, but only what is true.

Some guy mentioned that time is running out. He is honest when he tells you this. When this 3 day weekend is complete, the world you will live in next Tuesday, will not be the same world you live in today. I saw this months ago and posted this in many places on this message board. Noone believed it 4 months ago. What do they have to say now!

Do you know what is the Rider on the White Horse? Some may say its a character in a Book that they don't believe in.

I'll tell you what it is. The Rider on the White Horse is a sub-atomic weapons system far more powerful than even the most powerful nuke; or all of them put together. No radiation, no physical damage.

He is the truth personified. He thunders across the Earth and removes falsehood and puts things where they belong. He can't be bribed and cannot be negotiated with. Like the truth, he is incorruptible. He is coming starting at midnight, October 13th 2008.

So, your plans will not work because everything you believe to be true about this country and the world is a lie; as per your posts. I am not saying you are the author of the lie, but its a lie nevertheless. I know its a lie because I know the truth.

Young men like yourself have gone on in life to become leaders within their communities in the past. Because they eventually came to terms with the truth.

So, before you commit suicide by throwing yourself upon the walls of the Kingdom of Heaven and run up on things which are greater than yourself and full of truth and innocence, ask yourself, "what do I really know about the structure of the thing I want to destroy and replace?"



[edit on 9-10-2008 by bruxfain]

[edit on 9-10-2008 by bruxfain]

This is why people hate religion.
Anybody who can equate the U.S. with God, and believe
a Nation built on the blood, suffering, sweat and bones of literally billions
is "God's Country" is insane...unless by "God" they mean Satan.
In that case...sho you rite

Everyone is always so anxious to overthrow... But have we thought about the channels that are open to allow for change without rioting in the streets and geting mowed down like grass by fully trained personel? I can see that things are bad. I know that being in the united states gives ou rights and I know ALL TOO well that most people who complain about their Rights forget about the RESPONSIBILITIES that those rights come with. I have fought for the stars and stripes, have seen my friends die and be imeasurably wounded for them. But the channels that exsist STILL exsist. Overthrowing the government sounds like a great idea... But WHATt aspect of the governement? Or what one to start with? The government is too broad to just start attacking and for good reason.... It is DESIGNED to operate if partially attacked.