Amen.

I'm all for "God given rights" my American brother. The right to defend one's self is a natural instinct. Procreation, Progress, and satisfied hunger are all man's struggle. Party lines and politics is just another way to beat the hell out of our "God given rights" when it gets in the way of their shared ambitions".

Exploited unity got us into this mess. It's going to take UNITY to get us out. Manufacturing the RESOLVE is easy. For them (Uncle Sam and his boys) it is mass panic or mass fear. Manufacture a shared fear (9-11 for example) and there is their support (UNITY) for furthering their agenda...

One catastrophe after another...bam bam bam.. like clockwork. And all the while, they are stealing more and more of our freedoms. Scare-force-one overflying ground zero unannounced was a "test" for what they knew was coming. They had to decide if the time to do this is right. Mass panic about the H1N1 pandemic could backfire if they dump it on a country that just went through 9/11, Katrina, Iraq, and upcoming adventures in IRAN. (Proof they knew it was going to be big) ...Manufactured to pump billions into the Big Pharma industry.. WHY? Because they already know Health care is going to be nationally marginalized as an uncontrollable expense.

What we are seeing with government is debatable by everyone with their own ideas about when, how, where, why, or to what level of extreme... but, the one thing we all seem to be united on is that this is NOT your daddy's Oldsmobile anymore...

Legally Rolling back government expansion to 1913, 1933, or even 1980 is going to be met with so much resistance that, short of a complete revolt on business as usual, we will never get it off. Article V Conference has been ignored by congress over 750 times. That's 750 reasons to consider this government "illegal", but, try convincing Granny that she needs to quit buying arthritis meds or getting her Insulin.... (aint gonna happen)

Any "THINK TANK" we get going here that actually does come up with a viable option is going to be met with blanket negative ridicule, or surgical nullification (if you catch my drift). Hadji aint the only eyes in the keyhole.

UNITY is the tool. Implementation is easier said than done. Media was our weapon. Now they have total control of that too. Free press is on its way out babe. Wise up. First amendment was the only thing we had left. 2nd amendment is on its way out. Your 5th amendment right is already an admission of guilt or complicity. and, one by one, that rag they wipe with is being degraded into a weapon of its own...

What makes America the greatest country on Earth is not our Constitution or our rights anymore. Its the power structure and control imposed by the money. If you want to know how it got this way, follow the money all the way back to "Who gets to say what it is worth".

Nixon got us out of Nam because he was able to make the money man back down. Change his business interests by regulating it's value. At some point, control of the regulatory monetary policy would eventually get into the hands of those who benefit most by its manipulation. (Where we are today.) Ultimately, they threw Nixon to the wolves for his insurrection. Bill Clinton messed with deregulation also and I now believe he was set up too. They impeached his butt. (I was a Republican for many years and I'm rethinking party line support each day I educate myself) Messing with the FED is political suicide for any sitting CEO. So, don't look for Obama to favor messing with the FED for more than advice. (You will also notice he didn't Fire Ben Bernanke, he reappointed him for a second term.) Rod Blagojevich anyone?

Key to the money market mess is the FED. That is the "Trigger" you are looking for. Key to limit corruption in "Congress" is Article V. Term Limits.
IGNORED.

Civil war? yep! ..Revolt? yep! ...count on it. People are "FED" up with it.
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Even if you did overthrow the government , you are still slaves to their overall agenda . Still indoctrinated. You'd go and vote in some other undesirable that would be even worse . What you'd need to do , is give interim powers to a foreign body , for say a 10 year tenure , who are not beholding to certain internal US interests . A separation from any of the lobby groups, industrialists , or religious denominations . Then they have to be kept that way , and also isolated from other such external similar bodies. This could be a committee of say 5 or 6 nations , like Sweden, Denmark, Netherlands , Norway and Switzerland .

This will give time for such nations to introduce a kind of detox program to wean you off your more radical ways brought about by lies and propaganda over the decades and make for a better educated , more mature , less warlike citizenry to bring in your own government after the 10 year period.

Also, as you are so divided , it will not be a case of one side getting power and the other not and continuing the current situation as it is . But an independent arbitrating kind of body.

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"If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for a reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed."

-Albert Einstein

The Declaration of Independence states that in any incident that a seemingly unconstitutional law is passed that does infringe our rights that in that incident we shall overthrow the government and reestablish a newer, more efficient one. Often we go about our lives suspecting that our constitutional rights are fair and just and have not infringed anything in our lives unfairly, however, this is incorrect. For although your life might not be affected by the certain unjust principle in our laws, it does not, however, mean that it isn’t infringing the natural rights of others.

In the bill of rights it states that: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

Many people have told me things along the line of, "Your going to get yourself into trouble, your going to get people killed." Well in that case, the exercise to freedom of speech, and the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances, would all be trampled upon.

Why do we not exercise our right to show the will and power of the people. The government has and will continue to over extend their boundaries. We have the ability to alter or abolish as we please.

Within the 14th amendment, it states the following: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”

Such infringements upon the 14th amendment are condoned in the Patriot Act which allows for the POSSIBILITY of torture, and the illegal wiretapping of American citizens.

This cannot be allowed to persist. I have started an initiative on this concept. You can search for the facebook group True Patriots of America. Together we can make a history and fundamentally change the world as we know it.

i would like to post this. i am a person with deep emotions on this topic. I am under 18 years old however i dont see that as the case. the problem is our country is no longer what it used to be. The scandals that have cost our nation so much pain and put us in so much debt must be stopped. Personally the only way i see this happening is a revolt. With all the corruption in the government nowdays its our only choice. Violence and revolution are our only choice. No longer should we be forced down no longer should our GOD given rights be taken away from us because of what we believe. We need to take up arms all of us as a country as a truly united people under god. We have these rights because they were given to US by GOD. He is what we need to save this country. We must unite as a country as one people. Violence and revolt is our only choice it has been for a very long time it's all we can do to save our nation and rebuild it we must start over. i dont mean just a new government. i mean we must scrap the constitution and the declaration all of it we must right our own new ones. We must form a new government that will not allow corruption to settle in. Now my question is this. Are you with me? im not afraid to say im the only person who feels this way i believe im standing for whats right in the only choice that is left our only road that leads to a new world and a time of greatness.

Why bother trying?

Obama's government is already doing a better job at wiping the USA off the face of the map than any of us could ever do.

Originally posted by Interestinggg

Originally posted by leomurray
I am afraid thats what they want us to do at least in an unorganized unarmed rabble, they've made preparations for such a case. And believe me it wouldn't be pretty especially with the things needed to accomplish the revolution or fight a guerrilla war. I mean im not prepared to cut kids arms off and S*&^ are you?

How many people is there?Compared to soldiers?
Can you imagine the thoughts of a soldier, when confronted with an army, of 40 million people?

The fact that you are considering the soldiers as your enemy speaks
to the fact that you are missing the real enemy.

The man behind the curtain pulling the strings.

You can fight his sock puppets til you die of old age.

You have to take this fight to the puppet masters.

Once the CFR, Trilateral Commission, and Bilderberg group are named
as terrorist organizations and locked up then we will start to see some
change we can believe in.

Monsanto and the other multi national monsters need to be disbanded
for crimes against humanity.

The GMO foods kill, its fact in mainstream news.

If you try to fight them with guns you will just be marginalized as
anti government nut jobs.

Ppl need to expose these pirates and parasites and find way to hack
their email accounts like they did the hadley climate unit turning
global warming into the most expensive hoax of all time.

Expose these pieces of dung as criminals and get them to turn on
each other and bring the whole house of crime down.

They are little more than a global mafia that just needs a few decades
behind bars or worse if the ppl sentence them to death.

I can almost hear them saying "Let them eat cake !".

Good Luck to you all !

ok heres my view on how everything is in the united states right now. We as a people and a nation are in huge debt. Not just to other countries but to each other! Millions are missing the big picture here our government doesnt want the best for the people but the best for themselves. They have become drunk and mad with power and control. What are they going to do with it? Well i'm not sure but i do know that it cant be good. I also know that if we had oh i dont know maybe 20-30 years we could peacefully revolt against the government and overthrow it that way. In that time period many more would come to believe the same as many of us on this THREAD do already. But the problem is we dont have that kind of time! This may have been possible 10 hell even 15 years ago but now no its not possible. What we need is a revolution and a violent one. I say from my heart the only way is to start off peacefully then when nobody expects it we attack. We start a guerrilla war we become one with the land and also wanted by the national government. Yes it sounds bad but think our numbers are growing every day! Our rights are slowly being taken away at the same time. Many will come to see this but not the time people think we have. We dont have much time left. I say that we as a people and a NATION should take a STAND AND FIGHT FOR WHAT IS RIGHT TO NOT LET ANYBODY BOSS US AROUND ANYMORE AND SHOW THE WORLD THAT THE COMMMON PERSON HAS WHAT IT TAKES TO LIVE LIKE A FREE MAN AND NOT TAKE ANYTHING FOR GRANTED LIKE WE DO NOW

Originally posted by LFCANFIELD
..... We as a people and a nation are in huge debt....

In light of your last post consider this.

We as a people are NOT in debt. Therein lies our most potent weapon.

The debt the governments of the world have created is as real as the wealth they've created.... in fact... they are one in the same.

If the nations of the world were to "unite" for a common purpose, they most certainly could completely eliminate ALL world debt by simply extending NO confidence to the monetary monopoly in place.

They could simply create an economic architecture that simply writes them out of the equation. With a pen-stroke.

With all debt gone, nations can embark on coexistence without artificial constraints. Sadly, this is NOT the globalist goal.

It's not that the solution to the problem is hard. It's that there is a class of mentality that simply INSISTS upon itself as the center of all things and thus of primary importance. They all want to be celebrity heroes to each other. To that end, they influence and engender conflict at the national level for profit - all based on imaginary concepts of ownership that simply defy reason.

It's all about THEM having what THEY want. They have wanted it for so long, and so much that they have convinced themselves it their RIGHT- their proper and unquestionable province - to control the affairs of the world.

The revolution we need is one of spirit, not blood.

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What, the american government must be overthrown? I't has already been overthrown, why do you think our problems only get worse. Who are you trying to kid.

The American people have turned into a bunch of whimps.I dont know if 9-11 hapened for some power trip fom the government or if what we saw really happened but, i do know that i lost a causin and a good friend while they where over there.I love my freedom and my family, your gonna have to fight hard to take them away from me.

I love America, but we got people taking over our country without asking us first.I know if sombody comes in to my house uninvited, thats the last time he/she came into my house. We let sombody that cant even salute our nations flag into our house. Im pretty sure that our fore fathers just wanted us to unite that ran , im pretty sure that George Washington or Abe Linoln didnt want the country taken away from the people. If you want to take it from us we will fight, and we will fight till we die, there are a few of us small town country boys around.

[We all have to stick together. We will win this fight if we all stick together, its not that we want to any more, its cause we have to. And who ever started this post, Why did you stop. There are a few of us out there that will fight untill they die.

I agree 100 percent. We will never now the freedom that our fathers or our grandfathers new unless we fight for it