"My Fellow Prisoners," McCain Calls Americans, page 4
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reply posted on 9-10-2008 @ 09:35 AM by jsobecky
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You know, from your Avatar I'm going to take a leap as assume you're a McCain supporter, I am most certainly not.


I'll probably vote for him, but I actually liked the avvie because those were my school colors. I do weird stuff like that.

Originally posted by stonespiral
But go you and your views 100%.



Thanks.

Originally posted by stonespiral

I've read this thread and it actually makes me happy that I have agreed with 3 out 4 of your responses. I'm a little iffy on supporting military troops no matter what, but that has nothing do with serving your country it has more to do with personal character outside of that. I tend to look person-to-person.


Likewise. I just made that reply because someone had ragged on the guy who said it. I've got this thing for protecting the underdog.

Originally posted by stonespiral
That being said! I definately think that his head was in the place of "Where might I be able to fit in a war-hero point? Is this the time for ad-libbing?(if it wasnt written in the speech) Is this the right crowd for that moment? Will it help me, hurt me, or not make a difference? With all those questions in mind I can see where making a verbal POW slip-up is likely. That's assuming those were in mind, and given his speech record I don't doubt that at least 1 of those were in mind.

I'm VERY much against McCain, but I can sympathize with what seems like a very human moment.





But I can also see where it can be a very frightening remark if I'm wrong...


You have a lot of insight and compassion for the human failings. Good for you.


reply posted on 9-10-2008 @ 10:14 AM by carewemust
reply to post by rcwj75



I have a couple of friends who packed up their families and moved to
other countries (Canada/Spain). They did this years ago and are
living happily with no desire to come back.

If we are prisoners, it's because we've chosen to be, because the doors
to the cell and the prison itself are wide open. You won't be shot in the
back when you try to leave either.



reply posted on 9-10-2008 @ 10:24 AM by Enigma Publius
okay okay i'm sorry. i WAS a little cranky last night and i suppose it shows in my posts. anyway, although the user never said "this is PTSD" they DID provide an answer that was nothing but a wiki link to a definition of PTSD, so although is isn't a good idea to assume, as i admitingly have, what other conclusion could one be expected to arrive at with a reply that is a link to said subject matter, and nothing else? i do apologize if this was wrong.
and as for me raging someone, it bothered me, it seemed an irresponsible thing to say "it's him accidentally making a connection to his POW days, i take my hat off to him" we should never "take our hats off" to someone making a critical error because of a past trauma when that person needs to be the sharpest man in america, i NEVER made a statement that need apply to all those who serve but very quickly i was being put in "patriotic time-out" by the big boys because if they support all those who serve, and i am on the other side of "them" (here's the rub) then i must not be "for" those who have served. that is a dangerous way to be thinking IMO, i could be wrong, i doubt it, but i could be.
also, this thread should basicly be done, after the reader posted about the fact that he referred to financial prisoners earlier in the speech, that is key evidence for this being a simple mistake, having neither to do with freudian slips or old age or hinting at the truth, it was just a mistake that anyone coulda made. even me

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reply posted on 9-10-2008 @ 10:27 AM by mystiq
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Yes, it seems to be a freudian slip. He made one earlier as well, on another thread, some video interview discussing the first time in the house of commons when the bail out was defeated. There he said something along the lines of, if he was dictator and he always wanted to be... Freudian slips just keep coming out of his big mouth, and the public seems oblivious.


reply posted on 9-10-2008 @ 10:37 AM by Enigma Publius
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oh me i never heard that one about dictator before! that IS good, i wonder if anyone has a link to that? i'd love to see that.
i think a freudian slip would be a reasonable way to see this also, i'm really not the type to believe in a freudian type slip, but it does make a certain amount of sense that the word prisoner could have been resonating in his mind when thinking of us, thus making that word come out instead of the intended one, but holy crow, if he is honestly thinking of us all as prisoners in his mind, then things are more hopeless than i ever considered. i think a lot of deception is going on, but it would make me feel a LITTLE bit better to think that most of them are deceiving because they honestly believe it's in our best interest, at least that is a fraction better than the thought that they just see us as prisoners. so maybe my reluctance to that theory is out of my own freudian type of thinking pattern. i am open minded, and this seems very possible. how much evidence have i been dismissing because it was just to shocking to believe the implications behind said evidence? hmmm, i have much to think about now, i just now, at this moment, considered this for the first time to myself. it IS possible that i have been doing this a lot, not seeing things as they are because of the scary thoughts that go along with it.


reply posted on 9-10-2008 @ 05:19 PM by arizonascott
Face it - John McCain is a senile old man. It is a fact that he wears depends and has accidents all the time. He was in a Vietnam prison hole for 5 years getting massive doses of mental and physical torture.

These things weigh hard on a man and I do not believe he has the mental sharpness and ability it takes to run our Nation for 4-8 years. We can't have another New World Order yes man in there willing to be just another puppet, and thats what he would be. We can't keep making the same mistakes and buying them more time to destroy us!

John McCain will never be able to lead and we need that leadership now more than ever.

And to make matters worse, he has selected a running mate that virtually no one knows anything about. He has picked a running mate that can't come up with a single article or court ruling except Rovie vs. Wade which anyone living under a rock would know. She got where she is through her Alaska network and because of her cute looks. She doesn't know jack squat about anything. She certainly doesn't know how to run our Nation, unless like Bush she just shows up at photo ops and lets the NWo run everything.

We don't need a madman and a know nothing woman running our Country in the middle of a war and a financial crisis - especially one of which (McCain) who was involved in the Keating 5 scam!

We (America) really do not need more of this. Not now and never again. How can people be so stupid. We run this country! We paid for the infrastructure! We pay them our taxes to work for us!

Wake up Fellow Prisoners - this is only going to get worse unless you wake up!

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