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reply posted on 9-10-2008 @ 08:32 AM by Taledus

reply to post by Amaterasu

Resource-based society...I posted somewhere that it was a good idea, but lets think about it. No need for money since no one has to work since robots do everything for everybody...where will the robots come from? You can't just build 1 robot to oversee everything, you would need programmers to tell the robot what to make...if no need for programmers, then you no longer have robots but AI.

reply posted on 9-10-2008 @ 08:38 AM by andy1033

I would doubt that this is the worst that aig have done. I doubt there would be a hearing just for this, has anything else turned up?

reply posted on 9-10-2008 @ 08:49 AM by DancedWithWolves

Tailgating from this AIG thread

So since we are all paying for this party…let’s go see what we bought with our tax dollars. Who knows…maybe they have job openings with (gasp) health benefits for the growing lines of unemployed.

For Your Viewing Pleasure….

On Tour: AIG Headquarters July 11, 2003

Friday, July 11, 2003
High on New York

By design, I knew this week was going to be a storied conclusion to my successful consulting assignment at AIG Corporate eBusiness. I had planned a busy week of meetings for Victor and I to launch him into all the parallel tracks of information architecture activity I started. By the end of today, we had met with most of senior management in Corporate R&D (parent to eBusiness), touched all the functional groups across the web property operations, visited some of the business units with active eBusiness projects, and received status briefings on the RUP and CMM initiatives. Victor's notebook is already half full and I think I've set him up for some interesting nights of REM sleep.

Yesterday's schedule changed from purposeful to monumental when I got permission to visit the 66th floor observation gallery at the top of the AIG Headquarters building at 70 Pine. Post 9/11, the building became the highest vantage point in Lower Manhattan, but the gallery is only used by senior executives to entertain clients. My interest in 70 Pine was fueled by reading Skyscraper Rivals, a history of the pre-World War II buildings in the financial district with an emphasis on The AIG Building. This photo of the gothic peak of the tower framed by an American flag was made earlier this year while looking up from Chase Manhattan Plaza.

We cleared security checks in the lobby and were ready to meet "Vinnie" for an elevator ride up to the 60th floor executive dining room. From there we transferred to a small elevator that took us to 66th floor. The elevator car comes up out of a trap door in the floor (!!!), which you can see closed on the left side of the photo above. Before being electrified by the views of the skyline, we were captivated by the art deco interior of the deck. An ornate globe rests on the marble floor of the octagonal room and covers up the old Citgo logo. In the direction of each of the main compass points, there are one of eight balconies edged with ornate aluminum metalwork. Vinnie graciously opened up most of the balconies for us despite his concern about high winds. Much More…..

And if you love fun photo albums, here are fun, fun, fun photos from a great device you can rent for corporate gigs and share your party pics with your friends, co-workers and now the world…

Photos from an AIG party....

Peace

edit: had to go buy more upload space for photo from the store and fix link

[edit on 9-10-2008 by DancedWithWolves]

reply posted on 9-10-2008 @ 09:07 AM by eradown

reply posted on 9-10-2008 @ 09:39 AM by TheRedneck

reply to post by Amaterasu

We sit at a fork in the road. Which way will we choose?

'We' will choose the path of least resistance. 'We' always do.

'We' will sit and moan and cry about how AIG is wasting their resources, while 'we' are loosing everything 'we' held dear, including 'our' hopes and dreams. 'We' will look to the government for help, and demand that 'we' be bailed out as well. It will not matter that 'our' bailout is on the order of a few hundred dollars while companies like AIG are wasting more in one trip than I make in ten years average; 'we' are too lazy and have been brainwashed too much to do anything more than complain vocally.

A few may try to change things, but they will be silenced. 'We' will not even hear of their attempts. The news will drown out their cries, for fear that 'we' might awaken from our slumber and become too great a power to resist.

You overestimate technology in your dream of a robotic society. While great strides have been made in robotics, the technology is far from being capable to do what you imagine. There is no substitute for human labor as of yet, and that is the driving force behind this disaster. 'We' are needed, not for our worth, but for our ability to perform. 'We' are slaves, just as surely as if 'we' were sitting chained to a wall in a dirt-floor basement, suffering whip marks across 'our' backs, awaiting the next sunrise when the cotton fields will beckon again. 'We' just don't realize it.

This economy will collapse completely now. The greed and excesses of those who have been 'our' leaders and masters is coming to light. The result is that soon, 'our' lifestyles will be too expensive for our owners to finance, and 'we' will wake up to the awful truth. Nothing 'we' will do can stop this now.

According to the Bible, when God created man, He gave man dominion over the earth. He specified each and every thing man was to have dominion over. He did not simply say "the planet is yours", but gave a detailed list of what man had dominion over. Only one thing I can think of is missing from that list: each other. And that is the one thing mankind has searched unceasingly for dominion over since that day.

'We' are slaves. 'We' have no ability to choose our path anymore.

'I' have chosen mine already.

TheRedneck

reply posted on 9-10-2008 @ 10:42 AM by eradown

" And he shall rule them with a rod of Iron ; as the vessels of a potter shall shall they be broken to shivers: even as I recieved of my Father.
And I will give him the morning star.

He that hath an ear let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches."

Revelation 2:27-2:29

Revolt would be stupid, but exercising every right we have in this country might send the elitist theiving scum bags packing.

reply posted on 9-10-2008 @ 04:48 PM by Amaterasu

Originally posted by Taledus
reply to post by Amaterasu

Resource-based society...I posted somewhere that it was a good idea, but lets think about it. No need for money since no one has to work since robots do everything for everybody...where will the robots come from? You can't just build 1 robot to oversee everything, you would need programmers to tell the robot what to make...if no need for programmers, then you no longer have robots but AI.

Do you know anyone who just LOVES to program computers? I know a number (my father was one, too). There are people whose bliss is programming. There are people whose bliss is building gadgets. There are people whose bliss is solving problems. There are people whose bliss is making things run smoothly. So I think we could make it happen.

But once you have self-replicating machines, repair machines, and that sort of thing, people don't HAVE to do the work (though those whose bliss it is are welcome to do things along side the robots).

Point is, I would rather have people who LOVE to make something/make something happen doing the work than people who HATE it. Or are even indifferent to it.

Mediocrity would fall by the wayside.

[edit on 10/9/2008 by Amaterasu]

reply posted on 9-10-2008 @ 05:20 PM by Amaterasu

Originally posted by TheRedneck
You overestimate technology in your dream of a robotic society.

Do I, then? Consider:

In Black Ops and the hands of the Elite sits free energy, a number of Tesla's things (which have likely developed far beyond where they were 100 years ago), and much much more.

The tech curve - the plotting of technological advances through history - is rising exponentially, and in late 2012 goes effectively infinite. What would infinite tech look like?

I can assure you that though the plebeian-land tech is controlled, suppressed, such that the tech curve is nigh impossible to discern, there IS a place where tech is following that curve.

The question becomes one of whether we can access it or follow it ourselves in enough numbers such that it cannot be quashed (and usurped).

So given this, I feel confident in saying that somewhere within humanity there are robots the likes of which you and I have not seen. They are not given to us by the Elite because...well, heh. They will lose control of us.

They won't lose their standard of living, but all of us will gain theirs. And I must guess that they are really wretched souls to believe that is their tech and not ours, that they "deserve" it and we don't, that they are "better" than us, and so on. (Rather pathetic, really, if they are so weak that they need us to feel superior, n'est pas?)

There is no substitute for human labor as of yet, and that is the driving force behind this disaster.

I agree that we are not allowed to make full substitute, and that that is the driving force behind this disaster.

'We' are needed, not for our worth, but for our ability to perform. 'We' are slaves, just as surely as if 'we' were sitting chained to a wall in a dirt-floor basement, suffering whip marks across 'our' backs, awaiting the next sunrise when the cotton fields will beckon again. 'We' just don't realize it.

Oh, no argument there! But I think we are also play toys. It's so much fun to set fire to the ants, pull the wings off bees, etc. So thrilling to see if we can be robbed completely. Such exhilaration to see how openly the operations can be and still have the sheep believe otherwise.

This economy will collapse completely now. The greed and excesses of those who have been 'our' leaders and masters is coming to light. The result is that soon, 'our' lifestyles will be too expensive for our owners to finance, and 'we' will wake up to the awful truth. Nothing 'we' will do can stop this now.

Again, I agree.

According to the Bible, when God created man, He gave man dominion over the earth. He specified each and every thing man was to have dominion over. He did not simply say "the planet is yours", but gave a detailed list of what man had dominion over. Only one thing I can think of is missing from that list: each other. And that is the one thing mankind has searched unceasingly for dominion over since that day.

And I contend that it is a monetary system that gives rise to that behavior. I do not believe it would be seen in a paradigm of abundance, resource-driven, with no money.

'We' are slaves. 'We' have no ability to choose our path anymore.

I will never believe that. I cannot. For if I believe I cannot do anything, if I believe I have no choice, if I believe my words here and elsewhere are but drizzle-drops on a gloomy day... I cannot live. Ergo, I will never believe that.

'I' have chosen mine already.

Ahhhh. Well, you see, the reason I will never believe "WE" have no ability to choose our path is because I count myself as WE, and my path is to give people the chance to build with me. WE can do it if we choose.

Idealist, I am, I know. But I wouldn't be ME if I wasn't.

reply posted on 23-10-2008 @ 08:00 PM by anachryon

Well, gosh, I'm shocked at the news out of AIG today!

Bloomberg

American International Group Inc. has used $90.3 billion of a U.S. government credit line since it was bailed out last month, an amount that exceeds the size of the original loan meant to save the insurer.

AIG may need more than the $122.8 billion now available to the New York-based insurer, Chief Executive Officer Edward Liddy said yesterday.

Seriously?

Seriously???

They want more money now?

LET THEM BANKRUPT! How long can this keep going on? How long will the American taxpayer continue to be forced to prop up a company that is obviously bankrupt??

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