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Serial pedophile charged in abduction of Edmonton girl

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posted on Oct, 8 2008 @ 06:28 PM

Originally posted by drwizardphdDeath is certainly not a valid punishment. A nice long sentence in a low-security prison would be fine, as long as the guy can't get to children. 50 years or so would suffice.

mmmm so because he let his victims survive and be traumatized for the rest of their live and possibly become even new abusers you could forgive him?

give him 50 years jails (where I have to pay taxes for too that I don't want to pay) and there will still be viagra when he comes out.

and anyone ever thought about what happens to our society and prisons in general if our Capilystem would collapse under the weight of it's own lies?

sorry I seem to be on fire

posted on Oct, 8 2008 @ 07:17 PM

Originally posted by Grey Magic
monsters that some warped minds can still accept as humans

mmm first time I quote myself here but I really feel it is necessarily.

I think we humans are able to endure and forgive a lot, that is our human spirit, and that is what makes us better than those without a choice, but we can also forgive too much.

The forgiving in any way of this everlasting threat to society is a serious human flaw in my opinion.

And I think after a few centuries of real justice we could see the improvement.

posted on Oct, 8 2008 @ 11:53 PM
Just wanted to say that making someone wear something to indicate what they are is a dangerous path to take. As much as I hate to invoke Godwin's law (though I'm not arguing, so I don't think it counts) this is exactly what the Nazis did with Jews, homosexuals etc... Not to mention it's a lynching in the making. (Which half of you seem to be supporting.)

I agree with sequestering them, and making them wear a bracelet or whatever. Calling them monsters is an over simplification IMO. Far more useful to put them to work as test subjects to try and gain an understanding as to WHY they do this, in the hopes of, down the line, somehow preventing stuff like this from happening. But then that would require rational thinking, instead of baying for blood.

And for the record, I have kids myself, and I live in Edmonton.

posted on Oct, 8 2008 @ 11:58 PM
I have only two things to say about sick SOB's like this:

Red is positive.

Black is negative.

(preferably hooked to his nads and plugged into 220 outlet, not 110!)

posted on Oct, 9 2008 @ 12:15 AM
There is no suitable punishment for these animals short of death.

They cannot be rehabed, they cannot be cured, they cannot be trusted period.

posted on Oct, 9 2008 @ 12:44 AM
reply to post by GAOTU789

Recently, just west of Edmonton, there have been a few abductions, AND one murder of a 14 year old girl... My parents live close to Edmonton and were telling me about it..

It really makes me sick to my stomache.. this stuff should NOT be tolerated, and these kinds of people, are either a.) Doing it or b.) Thinking about doing it.

Off the streets, and in the ground is where they should be...

- Carrot

[edit on 10/9/2008 by CA_Orot]

posted on Oct, 9 2008 @ 01:56 PM

Originally posted by Elemensa
Anyone who keeps shouting death is no better than a barbarian in my opinion. I'm all for making these monster's life a misery but killing them is not an option, it lowers you down to there level. It saddens me to see people hoping for some new age and moaning about conspiricies and yet they still want capital punishment, no wonder aliens dont talk to us.

It's NOT about punishment, it's about removing their ability to do this over and over again, without a huge cost to taxpayers who don't deserve to have to house/feed these creatures. You make zero sense. That is like saying if there was a large barrel of poison in a city park that kept spilling and making kids sick, it would be wrong to get rid of it.

posted on Oct, 9 2008 @ 02:09 PM
While I can see the anti-capital punishment point, there are some crimes so heinous, so vile, that they warrent such a punishment. This is such a crime. There is no cure, no treatment, no punishment that will turn such individuals into productive members of society. Then there are the statistics that show that the victims of such crimes turn into pedephiles themselves, creating an endless cycle. Locking them up for the rest of their lives is a heavy burden financially to society, thus the only real solution to serial pedophilia is capital punishment. I am reminded of the old Vulcan proverb: The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one.

posted on Oct, 9 2008 @ 02:20 PM

Originally posted by Elemensa
I'm all for making these monster's life a misery but killing them is not an option, it lowers you down to there level. It saddens me to see people hoping for some new age and moaning about conspiricies and yet they still want capital punishment, no wonder aliens dont talk to us.

Nah. It doesnt put us on the evil being's level. For we would NEVER harm a child like these disgusting creatures do. The only way I could ever be on their level is if I engaged in harming innocent people.

It saddens me that anyone feels these disgusting creatures deserve to live....and have more apathy for them then they do the victims.

In fact, it more then saddens me. It angers much so, I tried so hard to avoid this thread and stupid me opened it up and read anyways.

The poor victims of this horrible beast, have to live the remainder of their lives remembering what he did to them.

If anyone thinks that I want my money to go to keep these creaps alive.....then you are sadly mistaken. How about all the anti-death penalty people chip in the money and yall can pay to keep these pervers alive.

[edit on 10/9/2008 by greeneyedleo]

posted on Oct, 9 2008 @ 02:38 PM
A radio talk show in my area dealt with this topic this afternoon. Before the host started taking calls, he read an email that a listener had sent him about the subject. The emailer was a victim of child sexual abuse and he offered a remark in the lengthy email that brought tears to my eyes.

He said although these people get prison time, they are usually let out early because they display all the right behaviours to the parole boards and corrections officials. The child on the other hand, is rarely ever released from the prison that these monsters create for them.

Now for the ones saying that to those of us calling for death for this individual and others of his ilk, I want to make sure you saw this part of one of the articles I linked to in the OP.

He was sent to prison after being sentenced to six-year sentence for molesting six children. Court documents reveal one of his victims was sexually assaulted 70 times in a six-month period.

Gratton was later released early in 2005 after being granted full parole to a secure custody treatment facility where he received help for his sexual tendencies.

From a different article linked.

In 2002, he was convicted of sexually assaulting six different children ranging in age between 3 to 7 years old, between 1996 and 2000, including 70 times on one young girl.

I just want you to understand the person you are defending. He has a long history of this behaviour. You all have a right to your compassion but I think, no I know, it is very misplaced in this case.

This monster had no compassion for the children who's lives he has destroyed.

[edit on 9-10-2008 by GAOTU789]

posted on Oct, 9 2008 @ 05:18 PM
Society should recoup some economic gain. Forced labor with all wages going to the victims. If the prisoner wants to eat, also, he will work overtime. With sleep and meals, he should easily be able to work 16 hours/day, seven days a week.
In lieu of lifetime inprisonment, extermination and reduction to dogfood will suffice.

posted on Oct, 9 2008 @ 05:18 PM
double post hiccup

[edit on 10/9/2008 by pteridine]

posted on Oct, 9 2008 @ 05:41 PM
Very very sad.
Poor little child.

The prison never notified the cops that he was being released. That was the error that allowed this to happen.

But he should have never been released in the first place, imo.

Pedophilia is a unique disease? malfunction? that has a very high rate of recidivism. It should be "treated" accordingly.

There is a push in the US to pass a law to make first offense punishable by 25 to life (Sarah's Law?). Some states resist it, Vermont for one. Look what happened there this past summer.

Second offense, death.

posted on Oct, 9 2008 @ 05:50 PM
They should put him in with general population with all the other inmates, I would give him about 3 days, let prison justice deal with him.

posted on Oct, 9 2008 @ 05:55 PM

Originally posted by GAOTU789
reply to post by Grafilthy

Although it could be a possible solution to this kind of animal, I am not in favour of castration. Their impulses may turn more violent if there ability to act out their fantasies is taken away.

Death saves us taxpayers alot of money. We don't have to house them in their own private part of the prisons and feed them and clothe them, etc... One bullet is much cheaper than the money we spend on keeping these predators alive.

Hmm yes maybe, but isn't a big part of their urges coming from being horny? (lol only word I can think of)

Can castration make them not feel like acting out their urges??

You know the same way a male cat calms down after castration?

[edit on 9-10-2008 by _Phoenix_]

posted on Oct, 9 2008 @ 06:14 PM
Some have mentioned that these offenders were victims themselves.

Very true, and it may be part of the reason for their dysfunction.

But you must consider, are they creating a whole new generation of offenders from their victims?

The problem needs to be nipped in the bud.

posted on Oct, 9 2008 @ 06:17 PM
This happened about twelve houses down from my place. If you see the CTV video, you can see my silver Focus as they pan down the street

Anyways, the police came by and asked questions of my grandparents, and left us alone. The whole area was blocked off for most of the day until they had announced they found the girl in a town 100km away. Apparently this guy lived in the same condo block as me, scary stuff. We were never notified anyone like that lived in the area; a repeat offender! Not sure where the slip up on this one was, I thought they had to be registered after the first sex offence, let alone pedophilic charges... geez.

posted on Oct, 9 2008 @ 06:22 PM
The problem is not just repeat offenders, but the very system that is supposed to keep them away from kids in the first place, the first time around.

The judicial system is snip. The rehabilitation system is also snip.

I think that instead of beating a dead horse about the offenders, to which they deserve a good beating, the systems in place should get an even worse beating, and a total restructuring, with far more harsher penalties that begin with 50 year, no parole jail terms.


edited please don't circumvent the automatic censors.
forum mod

[edit on 9-10-2008 by gallopinghordes]

Sorry, didnt intend to or was meaning to circumvent the censors. Was doing my own censoring but I wont anymore. Snip!

[edit on 9-10-2008 by RFBurns]

posted on Oct, 9 2008 @ 06:36 PM
As the parent of three girls I say first offense equals death. There is nothing more horrible than a girl/woman that has to live with what is left behind after abuse like this. Anyone that even considers giving these guys a second chance should have to hand over thier mother/daughter/sister/aunt/grandmother to a rapist or pedophile and then live with the pain of what was done to them. I for one feel that once society recognizes an abuser of this sort we the people should not have to live with the risk of that person ruining or taking another life. I don't care that you are sensitive to the death penalty. Too bad! My daughters and every woman in this world is more important than your moral dilemma.


posted on Oct, 9 2008 @ 06:39 PM
reply to post by jsobecky

How would you like YOUR mother or daughter to be the "second offense"? get real.

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