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Originally posted by Griff
Edit to add on topic: As far as the OP goes, my going theory is that it was jammed electronically by the C-130(H) that just happened to be flying to Minnesota via Pennsylvania from Washington, DC.
Originally posted by thedman
reply to post by KOGDOG
So the stupid video says no fire, no debris, no luggage...
Flight 93 hit the ground at 580mph, nose down rolled on it back. At that
speed the plane and anything onboard would be smashed into fragments
with some larger pieces. Not much left to see. Also fuel load would be
atomized on impact and quickly burn off.
What did you expect to see - plane sitting on ground with luggage neatly
stacked nearby.
pictures of debris
Jet engine recovered from crater
Bin full of recovered debris - there were 10 bins like this recovered from
scene. This is what happened to plane
piece of fuselage
more debris
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Have to do better than this
Originally posted by Taxi-Driver
CUT...
It directly contridicts the "NORDAD Stood down" conspiracy theory... because if you have planes being shot out of the sky, the figher jets couldn't be standing down, now could they.
Originally posted by jerico65
Originally posted by Griff
Edit to add on topic: As far as the OP goes, my going theory is that it was jammed electronically by the C-130(H) that just happened to be flying to Minnesota via Pennsylvania from Washington, DC.
Who's C130 would that be? Which squadron/wing?
One of the most curious facts of 9/11 is how the same C-130 Air National Guard plane, Golfer 6, was able to visually identify 2 of the 4 planes within seconds of the crashes, even though the crash sites were over 100 miles apart.
In order for the C-130 to identify the Flight 93 just minutes after the crash it had to have a pre-determined flight plan that took it almost directly over Shanksville. What are the odds of that?
My question is why would the C-130 be traveling on this flight path to begin with? Below is a link to a map I made in Google maps showing the flight path of the C-130 from Washington, D.C. towards Shanksville. However, the C-130's ultimate destination was Minneapolis. The red line shows the direct path the C-130 would have taken to get to Minneapolis. The blue line shows the actual direction the C-130 was traveling on 9/11.
Originally posted by Griff
I think that pretty much describes what I'm saying. And answers your questions. BTW, that's not my page.
Originally posted by Griff
reply to post by thedman
What does anything you posted have to do with a shoot down of flight 93? If it was shot down, it would still crash.
Edit to add on topic: As far as the OP goes, my going theory is that it was jammed electronically by the C-130(H) that just happened to be flying to Minnesota via Pennsylvania from Washington, DC. Look on a map, it's not really the best flight path. Especially when you are the only plane in the sky (due to everyone else being grounded).
Did I mention that this is the same C-130 that "witnessed" flight 77 hit the pentagon? Over 100 miles away in less than 30 minutes apart.
I wonder what the coincidences of that are? Especially taking into account that the C-130 was supossedly not looking for flight 93, but going on it's merry way back to Minn.
[edit on 10/8/2008 by Griff]
the bigger white plane is a fighter plane as described by these witnesses :
There was such a jet in the vicinity - a Dassault Falcon 20 business jet owned by the VF Corporation, an apparel company that makes Wrangler, The North Face, and other brands. The eight-passenger VF plane (mostly white with gold markings) was flying from the company's headquarters in Greensboro, North Carolina, to Johnstown, Pennsylvania, where the company had a manufacturing facility at the time. The Johnstown-Cambria airport is 20 miles north of Shanksville
According to David Newell, VF's director of aviation and travel, the FAA's Cleveland Center contacted copilot Yates Gladwell when the Falcon was at an altitude "in the neighborhood of 3,000 to 4,000 feet" - not 34,000 feet. "They were in a decent already going into Johnstown," Newell adds. "The FAA asked them to investigate and they did. They got down within 1,500 feet of the ground when they circled. They saw a hole in the ground with smoke coming out of it." Newell says the plane circled the crash site twice and then flew directly over it in order to mark the exact latitude and longitude on the plane's navigation system.
"There was a hole in the ground -- that was it," said Yates Caldwell, the pilot who was at the controls of the 10-passenger corporate jet for Greensboro, N.C.-based apparel maker VF Corp. "There was no way to know what it was .... I didn't know there had been a crash until I landed, until I was on the ground in Johnstown."
Originally posted by thedman
the bigger white plane is a fighter plane as described by these witnesses :
The white plane was a Falcon business jet owned by VF corporation
(which makes Wrangler jeans and North Face). Plane was on trip to
Johnstown PA, 20 miles north of Shanksvile. Plane was descending
into Johnstown when FAA contacted pilot to locate and confirm scene
There was such a jet in the vicinity - a Dassault Falcon 20 business jet owned by the VF Corporation, an apparel company that makes Wrangler, The North Face, and other brands. The eight-passenger VF plane (mostly white with gold markings) was flying from the company's headquarters in Greensboro, North Carolina, to Johnstown, Pennsylvania, where the company had a manufacturing facility at the time. The Johnstown-Cambria airport is 20 miles north of Shanksville
According to David Newell, VF's director of aviation and travel, the FAA's Cleveland Center contacted copilot Yates Gladwell when the Falcon was at an altitude "in the neighborhood of 3,000 to 4,000 feet" - not 34,000 feet. "They were in a decent already going into Johnstown," Newell adds. "The FAA asked them to investigate and they did. They got down within 1,500 feet of the ground when they circled. They saw a hole in the ground with smoke coming out of it." Newell says the plane circled the crash site twice and then flew directly over it in order to mark the exact latitude and longitude on the plane's navigation system.
"There was a hole in the ground -- that was it," said Yates Caldwell, the pilot who was at the controls of the 10-passenger corporate jet for Greensboro, N.C.-based apparel maker VF Corp. "There was no way to know what it was .... I didn't know there had been a crash until I landed, until I was on the ground in Johnstown."
We have description of the plane - WHITE with Gold markings
So why do you continue to lie? We have the reports from the FAA
controllers and the pilot of the plane.