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Originally posted by dunwichwitch
I have trouble with worshiping or grasping any type of concept or philosophy firmly. I understand it and everything, but I can't grasp it fully, because what is is not a concept. It just kind of is.
Originally posted by dunwichwitch
It's best we don't figure out a way to describe it. To know it is to know not to describe it anymore because then it ruins the meaning of what you are.
Thus much at least, I can say about all writers, past or future, who say they know the things to which I devote myself, whether by hearing the teaching of me or of others, or by their own discoveries-that according to my view it is not possible for them to have any real skill in the matter. There neither is nor ever will be a treatise of mine on the subject. For it does not admit of exposition like other branches of knowledge;
but after much converse about the matter itself and a life lived together, suddenly a light, as it were, is kindled in one soul by a flame that leaps to it from another, and thereafter sustains itself.
But I do not think it a good thing for men that there should be a disquisition, as it is called, on this topic-except for some few, who are able with a little teaching to find it out for themselves. As for the rest, it would fill some of them quite illogically with a mistaken feeling of contempt, and others with lofty and vain-glorious expectations, as though they had learnt something high and mighty.
The tao that can be told
is not the eternal Tao
The name that can be named
is not the eternal Name.
The unnamable is the eternally real.
Naming is the origin
of all particular things.
Free from desire, you realize the mystery.
Caught in desire, you see only the manifestations.
When a superior man hears of the Tao,
he immediately begins to embody it.
When an average man hears of the Tao,
he half believes it, half doubts it.
When a foolish man hears of the Tao,
he laughs out loud.
If he didn't laugh,
it wouldn't be the Tao.
I don't deal in the supernatural, so #'s 3-6 on MW's list is what I was talking about (referring to).
I dont think there is any reason to want everyone to see "what is." Nor any real reason to be particularly worried about throwing the inadequate descriptions around. Those who can hear, will hear. Those that cant hear wont. It isnt a value thing, those that cant hear are not less than those that can. It is is a function thing. Those that cant hear do not need to hear. They have another role in "now" that doesnt include understanding. One shouldnt perhaps throw the concept out hoping to be a savior, and teach those in "ignorance" anything, but if it simply spills out of one, if it is your function to think, and to speak about it, just do it and do not worry what the consequences are.
...but I can't grasp it fully, lbecause what is is not a concept. It just kind of is. I can't say anything is evolving because I can't say forward or backward is a motion. It's all just patterns to be observed.
It would be weird if our consciousness decided to push the stop button on the telescopic fractal kaleidescope and step away for a few moments.
Does anyone ever get to the "Oh no, dude!" stage when contemplating this stuff?
Originally posted by solomons path
. . . they are natural/physical processes that effect our perception and emotions. Just as the sun rising is no longer associated with a physical god riding across the sky, so to will "spirituality" be seen as our connection to this STILL mysterious universe. But . . . what do I know!
I was pronounced "brain dead" for a period that longer than 30 minutes! After this experience, I no longer know what is death is and can only say that death is only a myth!
But as for Spiritual Evolution I also have my doubts as I don't think it is an individual process but rather it is a collective phenomena......I often wonder if language is a major problem in understanding one another's point of view in its true context.
However I do know that Geometry is The universal Language of both the Creation and The True Mind.
So this is why I love your monkey in your avatar as it reminds me of my true position of how I and others view The Cosmos. LOL....
I very much intrigued by the idea of humanity being in a transitional phase, struggling to reconcile it's ever increasing technological and scientific knowledge with it's lagging spiritual understanding.
Freed from the mythic dogmatisms of premodern religion, transcending the materialistic biases of modern scientific thought, and liberated from the narcissistic self-absorptions of postmodernity...what kind of new world could human beings aligned with the trajectory of a spiritually evolving cosmos actually create?
I am not entirely sure what sort of direction you want to take this, however. It touches upon three of my favorite subjects evolution, science in general, and spirituality, but I am not sure where you want to begin.
Obviously this is going to be an opinion paper, and not a fact filled one as we consider facts. Is it, "what would human society look like if we recognized that we were involved in a spiritual evolution as a collective?"
Originally posted by solomons path
I don't know . . . maybe my point wasn't clear, as to what I'm getting at. I think that the concepts, that most, associate with spirituality is actually natural processes of the mind and emotion.
Whether one ascribes to the super-string theory of vibrations or a collective conscious and archetypes . . . they are natural/physical processes that effect our perception and emotions. Just as the sun rising is no longer associated with a physical god riding across the sky, so to will "spirituality" be seen as our connection to this STILL mysterious universe. But . . . what do I know? (less and less everyday!)
Spiral Dynamics argues that human nature is not fixed: humans are able, when forced by life conditions, to adapt to their environment by constructing new, more complex, conceptual models of the world that allow them to handle the new problems. Each new model includes and transcends all previous models. According to Beck and Cowan, these conceptual models are organized around so-called vMemes: systems of core values or collective intelligences, applicable to both individuals and entire cultures.
In spiral dynamics, the term "vMeme" refers to a core value system, acting as an organizing principle, which expresses itself through memes (self-propagating ideas, habits, or cultural practices). The prepended and superscripted letter v indicates these are not basic memes but value systems which include them.