Dr. Mitchell.
I too, ask for your comments regarding the post flight interview with Neil Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin, and Mike Collins.
These men do not act as if they have just returned from mans first steps on another world. These men should have been excited and overjoyed by their
accomplishments and experiences. This was bigger than winning the Super Bowl, the NBA Championship, and the World Series all wrapped up in one.
They truly look like men obligated to speak with the press but were able to tell little of what they experienced. These men did not appear elated by
their greatest experience in all of mankind's history, they look quite uncomfortable and scared to say anything other than what they were allowed to
say.
From watching the video, these men did not want to be there.
Your comments and possible insights will be most appreciated.
[edit on 9-10-2008 by Oldnslo]
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reply posted on 9-10-2008 @ 06:31 PM by ziggystar60
Mr. Mitchell, I want to thank you very much for being willing to do the interview. It is highly appreciated, and I very much look forward to listening
to what you have to tell us.
I am of course very interested in everything you can share with us regarding the moon and the fantastic Apollo mission. But I hope that you also will have time to tell us a little about the research at IONS - the Institute of Noetic Sciences - which you took part in establishing in 1973.
Best regards,
Ziggystar60
www.noetic.org...
I am of course very interested in everything you can share with us regarding the moon and the fantastic Apollo mission. But I hope that you also will have time to tell us a little about the research at IONS - the Institute of Noetic Sciences - which you took part in establishing in 1973.
Best regards,
Ziggystar60
The vision for creating the Institute of Noetic Sciences came in 1971. Nations throughout the world had galvanized around the exciting frontier of space exploration. The potential for scientific understanding of our world seemed unlimited to a naval air captain named Edgar Mitchell. He was a pragmatic young test pilot, engineer and scientist; a mission to the moon on Apollo 14 was his "dream come true." Space exploration symbolized for Dr Mitchell what it did for his nation as a whole—technological triumph of historical proportions, unprecedented mastery of the world in which we live, and extraordinary potentials for new discoveries.
But it was the trip home that Mitchell recalls most. Sitting in the cramped cabin of the space capsule, he saw planet Earth floating freely in the vastness of space. He was engulfed by a profound sense of universal connectedness—an epiphany. In Mitchell's own words: "The presence of divinity became almost palpable, and I knew that life in the universe was not just an accident based on random processes. . . . The knowledge came to me directly."
Mitchell faced a critical challenge. As a physical scientist, he had grown accustomed to directing his attention to the objective world "out there." But the experience that came to him in space led him to a startling hypothesis: Perhaps reality is more complex, subtle, and inexorably mysterious than conventional science had led him to believe. Perhaps a deeper understanding of consciousness (inner space) could lead to a new and expanded view of reality in which objective and subjective, outer and inner, are understood as co-equal aspects of the miracle and mystery of being.
After his safe return "home," Mitchell sought out others who likewise felt the need for an expanded, more inclusive view of reality. They resolved to explore the inner world of human experience with the same rigor and critical thinking that made it possible for Apollo 14 to journey to the moon and back. In 1973, this small group of explorers founded the Institute of Noetic Sciences—derived from the Greek word nous, meaning something close to "intuitive ways of knowing."
www.noetic.org...
), anyways, to my question: reply posted on 10-10-2008 @ 07:19 PM by weedwhacker
reply to post by Oldnslo
Oldnslo.....
Please do NOT fall prey to the nonsense from the Internet, especially YouTube, if this is what led you to write this comment.
Understand that.....and perhaps Doctor Mitchell will be able to fill in the gaps, as he WAS there!!
I've seen too much baloney, not only here on ATS, but on other sites, about how Apollo was "faked". I'm getting sick and tired of it!!
As a retired airline pilot, I have a certain ability to appreciate what those brave men, in the Space Program, did. They were, for the most part, Test Pilots, used to the 'cutting edge' of new technology....I think someone at Lockheed coined the term 'bleeding edge'....and that is the term I like to remember.
I am particularly incensed by this repeated "nonsense" about the press conference, of Armstrong, Aldrin and Collins.
To imply that those three heroes were somehow 'hiding' something, is worse than worse!!!!
Think about it....you just did something NO ONE else ever did, you had the scrutiny of the World on you, the entire time. Now, you left the Moon, and spent about another THREE DAYS to return to the Earth....knowing that, if it went badly, you'd die on re-entry....AND, because of sillyness, you NOW have to be 'quarantined' in the Airstream trailer, on board the Carrier....and all you really want to do is see your familily....but you have to 'play the game, and take a "phone call" from the President...all the while, being in a 'fake' isolation.....
You've just spent the last several WEEKS being in close contact with these same men....men that you are NOT attracted to, sexually....but you rely on each of them for your life....and ALL of you miss your Familiies....
And, you wonder why the Astronauts looked stressed, after returning to the Earth????
Oldnslo.....
Please do NOT fall prey to the nonsense from the Internet, especially YouTube, if this is what led you to write this comment.
Understand that.....and perhaps Doctor Mitchell will be able to fill in the gaps, as he WAS there!!
I've seen too much baloney, not only here on ATS, but on other sites, about how Apollo was "faked". I'm getting sick and tired of it!!
As a retired airline pilot, I have a certain ability to appreciate what those brave men, in the Space Program, did. They were, for the most part, Test Pilots, used to the 'cutting edge' of new technology....I think someone at Lockheed coined the term 'bleeding edge'....and that is the term I like to remember.
I am particularly incensed by this repeated "nonsense" about the press conference, of Armstrong, Aldrin and Collins.
To imply that those three heroes were somehow 'hiding' something, is worse than worse!!!!
Think about it....you just did something NO ONE else ever did, you had the scrutiny of the World on you, the entire time. Now, you left the Moon, and spent about another THREE DAYS to return to the Earth....knowing that, if it went badly, you'd die on re-entry....AND, because of sillyness, you NOW have to be 'quarantined' in the Airstream trailer, on board the Carrier....and all you really want to do is see your familily....but you have to 'play the game, and take a "phone call" from the President...all the while, being in a 'fake' isolation.....
You've just spent the last several WEEKS being in close contact with these same men....men that you are NOT attracted to, sexually....but you rely on each of them for your life....and ALL of you miss your Familiies....
And, you wonder why the Astronauts looked stressed, after returning to the Earth????
reply posted on 11-10-2008 @ 11:36 AM by anonymousATS
reply to post by weedwhacker
Maybe the problem is due to Nasa's credibility.
For example, why would they airbrush photos before selling them to the public? Why would they film a "moon landing" in a studio?
www.youtube.com...
Also, in his book "Dark Mission", Hoagland documents a number of instances where NASA has been less than honest.
Maybe the problem is due to Nasa's credibility.
For example, why would they airbrush photos before selling them to the public? Why would they film a "moon landing" in a studio?
www.youtube.com...
Also, in his book "Dark Mission", Hoagland documents a number of instances where NASA has been less than honest.
reply posted on 11-10-2008 @ 12:28 PM by Dave Rabbit
reply to post by TortoiseKweek
Yeah... no worries. This is a discussion board and lots of folks forget that when we do something it will be in Audio Form. You might be surprised to learn that Dr. Mitchell was one of the hardest guests to secure for all the shows that we have done so far. When you take a second and look at WHO we have interviewed so far, that tells you how busy Dr. Mitchell is and how sought after he is for doing interviews.
The membership should be very proud that they are going to have this unique opportunity to ask a question and hear him respond directly back to you.
Dave
Yeah... no worries. This is a discussion board and lots of folks forget that when we do something it will be in Audio Form. You might be surprised to learn that Dr. Mitchell was one of the hardest guests to secure for all the shows that we have done so far. When you take a second and look at WHO we have interviewed so far, that tells you how busy Dr. Mitchell is and how sought after he is for doing interviews.
The membership should be very proud that they are going to have this unique opportunity to ask a question and hear him respond directly back to you.
Dave
reply posted on 11-10-2008 @ 12:41 PM by weedwhacker
reply to post by anonymousATS
Anonymous....seriously???? You want to bring an obviously 'faked' video, that was a long-observed spoof, as a joke???? You want to bring this into a serious discussion??!!??
OK, now PROVE that that particular video is true....ball is in your court.
Anonymous....seriously???? You want to bring an obviously 'faked' video, that was a long-observed spoof, as a joke???? You want to bring this into a serious discussion??!!??
OK, now PROVE that that particular video is true....ball is in your court.
reply posted on 11-10-2008 @ 03:26 PM by anonymousATS
Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by anonymousATS
Anonymous....seriously???? You want to bring an obviously 'faked' video, that was a long-observed spoof, as a joke???? You want to bring this into a serious discussion??!!??
OK, now PROVE that that particular video is true....ball is in your court.
The video was not a cheap production. The makers obviously had some serious resources. Have you ever encountered any form of media press release or other credible info saying this was a spoof? If so, post it. If not, you've got nothing to stand on.
Either way, this vid has been at the heart of arguements going on for several years that NASA did not go to the moon. So.... in that capacity, it has served as a negative image of NASA.
Personally, I believe we went to the moon multiple times. Having said that, I would not believe everything NASA says. For instance, the shuttle video of the "tether incident" reveals what I believe are unidentified spacecraft. NASA usually proclaims such anomalous items are "ice crystals".
reply posted on 11-10-2008 @ 06:41 PM by Oldnslo
reply to post by weedwhacker
Weedwhacker, my post is another of my attempts to get an answer to this question. I've been asking this one for more than 15 years. It is based on an indirect comment made by a member of NASA with direct contact with the Gemini and Apollo crews.
For the record: I AM A TOTAL BELIEVER IN MOON LANDINGS.
I was raised in Canoga Park, CA a few miles from the Rocketdyne Plant and the Test facility in Santa Susana Pass. Starting around 1959, everyone heard them test everything they built and tested. The night they first tested a Saturn 5 engine, half of the sky above the San Fernando Valley was lite up. The ground shook like a 5.0 earthquake. Everyone was in the streets wondering what was going on.
Valley kids of the 1960's "lived" with our efforts in space as many of our parents were employeed in one way or another with many of the NASA contractors in the area. It was a great time and a great place to grow up.
In the past, I have had the opportunity to ask this question of NASA personel that would have this knowledge, but all have refused to answer this question.
So, once again, when this opportunity came up, I thought this might be a good time to submit this question to a person which might have the answer. I have my reasons for asking but it has nothing to do with the posted video in this thread. I also have no knowledge as to the authenticity of this video.
Weedwhacker, I appreciate your concern, but don't worry about Old as I am not easily taken in by anything, much of which is posted here on ATS.
I do enjoy your posts and comments and you are more than welcome to straighten me out anytime you feel its necessary.
Weedwhacker, my post is another of my attempts to get an answer to this question. I've been asking this one for more than 15 years. It is based on an indirect comment made by a member of NASA with direct contact with the Gemini and Apollo crews.
For the record: I AM A TOTAL BELIEVER IN MOON LANDINGS.
I was raised in Canoga Park, CA a few miles from the Rocketdyne Plant and the Test facility in Santa Susana Pass. Starting around 1959, everyone heard them test everything they built and tested. The night they first tested a Saturn 5 engine, half of the sky above the San Fernando Valley was lite up. The ground shook like a 5.0 earthquake. Everyone was in the streets wondering what was going on.
Valley kids of the 1960's "lived" with our efforts in space as many of our parents were employeed in one way or another with many of the NASA contractors in the area. It was a great time and a great place to grow up.
In the past, I have had the opportunity to ask this question of NASA personel that would have this knowledge, but all have refused to answer this question.
So, once again, when this opportunity came up, I thought this might be a good time to submit this question to a person which might have the answer. I have my reasons for asking but it has nothing to do with the posted video in this thread. I also have no knowledge as to the authenticity of this video.
Weedwhacker, I appreciate your concern, but don't worry about Old as I am not easily taken in by anything, much of which is posted here on ATS.
I do enjoy your posts and comments and you are more than welcome to straighten me out anytime you feel its necessary.
reply posted on 11-10-2008 @ 10:26 PM by weedwhacker
reply to post by anonymousATS
Anon...it is QUITE clear this is a 'spoof' because of the obvious camera 'shake', as if it's being hand-held. Everyone knows the the original camera, for the live stepping onto the Moon was from a camera deployed from the MESA in the Lander compartment.
The 'joke' of the lights' falling down and thus becoming an 'outtake' is a bit like the "Red Bull" joke of a commercial.
Anyone who has done any REAL Hollywood Production projects knows that lights 'falling' from the "ceilling"....or any part of the set, just doesn't happen....and certainly not as depicted in this YouTube clip!!!
If something DOES fall, during a shoot.....it is a serious event!!! People can be seriously injured....and gaffers responsible wil be held accountable.
But, irrespective, I can assure you that a bunch of lights, as depicted in that YpuTube clip, could NOT light an alleged "Moon Set" in any way, shape or form to comport with what was photographed, by the Astronauts...
There was ONE light source (something known as the SUN) for every photo opportunity, while on the surface of the Moon.
Here's something that, perhaps, some of our younger members need to be reminded of: The Moon orbits our planet Earth, in about 29 days....give or take.
Sometimes it's 28 days, sometimes it's 30 days.....but it is not an exact relationship, because NOTHING is that exact in our Solar System....not even our planet's orbit around the Sun!!
I'll come back to this, after I focus on the Moon. Our one natural satelite, our Moon, happens to orbit our planet (Earth) while it also orbits around its own axis.....in such a way that it continually shows about one face to us (actually, there is a slight variance....we see, from Earth, about 19 percent of the Moon, either way....but, from our vantage point, it is neglible).
So, to summarize....we all know that one 'Day' on Earth is how we define 24 hours. THIS is how we've determined --- how we've broken down the rotational perieod of the planet we live on, and depend on for life.
Since our planet rotates, we have Day and Night....thusly, our sleep cycles evolved.
We also know what a 'year' is....we know that we have 'seasons' because of the axis tilt of our planet....
ALL of this is important to understand the next part: The Moon, our 'Moon', is very close to the Earth, and is tidally 'locked' because of its proximity.
I say 'tidally' because we see the tidal effects, that can be attributed by the Moon's influence, as it orbits our planet.
In fact, the Earth-Moon system could be considered a "dual-planet"....in fact, even, a failed "Dual" Planet, since the 'other' planet (the Moon) is too small and does not have the gravitational 'oomph' to fully qualify as a 'second planet'.
But, imagine if it DID!!
Alas, the Moon is not near the Mass of the Earth....even given its comparative size....it still lacks the mass, and has not the hot inner interior to keep it active.
However, THIS is the most important reason to to begin to build bases on the Moon!! For the simple reason....it IS the best and most obvious place, besides LEO, for Humans to expand off of this one Planet.
Also, the Moon has a much lower Gravitional well, in order to launch more exploratory missions throughout the Solar System, and hopefully beyond.
AND, it's nearby....to the Earth. What a perfect base to expand from? Given all of the suggestions above....
Anon...it is QUITE clear this is a 'spoof' because of the obvious camera 'shake', as if it's being hand-held. Everyone knows the the original camera, for the live stepping onto the Moon was from a camera deployed from the MESA in the Lander compartment.
The 'joke' of the lights' falling down and thus becoming an 'outtake' is a bit like the "Red Bull" joke of a commercial.
Anyone who has done any REAL Hollywood Production projects knows that lights 'falling' from the "ceilling"....or any part of the set, just doesn't happen....and certainly not as depicted in this YouTube clip!!!
If something DOES fall, during a shoot.....it is a serious event!!! People can be seriously injured....and gaffers responsible wil be held accountable.
But, irrespective, I can assure you that a bunch of lights, as depicted in that YpuTube clip, could NOT light an alleged "Moon Set" in any way, shape or form to comport with what was photographed, by the Astronauts...
There was ONE light source (something known as the SUN) for every photo opportunity, while on the surface of the Moon.
Here's something that, perhaps, some of our younger members need to be reminded of: The Moon orbits our planet Earth, in about 29 days....give or take.
Sometimes it's 28 days, sometimes it's 30 days.....but it is not an exact relationship, because NOTHING is that exact in our Solar System....not even our planet's orbit around the Sun!!
I'll come back to this, after I focus on the Moon. Our one natural satelite, our Moon, happens to orbit our planet (Earth) while it also orbits around its own axis.....in such a way that it continually shows about one face to us (actually, there is a slight variance....we see, from Earth, about 19 percent of the Moon, either way....but, from our vantage point, it is neglible).
So, to summarize....we all know that one 'Day' on Earth is how we define 24 hours. THIS is how we've determined --- how we've broken down the rotational perieod of the planet we live on, and depend on for life.
Since our planet rotates, we have Day and Night....thusly, our sleep cycles evolved.
We also know what a 'year' is....we know that we have 'seasons' because of the axis tilt of our planet....
ALL of this is important to understand the next part: The Moon, our 'Moon', is very close to the Earth, and is tidally 'locked' because of its proximity.
I say 'tidally' because we see the tidal effects, that can be attributed by the Moon's influence, as it orbits our planet.
In fact, the Earth-Moon system could be considered a "dual-planet"....in fact, even, a failed "Dual" Planet, since the 'other' planet (the Moon) is too small and does not have the gravitational 'oomph' to fully qualify as a 'second planet'.
But, imagine if it DID!!
Alas, the Moon is not near the Mass of the Earth....even given its comparative size....it still lacks the mass, and has not the hot inner interior to keep it active.
However, THIS is the most important reason to to begin to build bases on the Moon!! For the simple reason....it IS the best and most obvious place, besides LEO, for Humans to expand off of this one Planet.
Also, the Moon has a much lower Gravitional well, in order to launch more exploratory missions throughout the Solar System, and hopefully beyond.
AND, it's nearby....to the Earth. What a perfect base to expand from? Given all of the suggestions above....
reply posted on 12-10-2008 @ 06:58 AM by anonymousATS
Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by anonymousATS
Anon...it is QUITE clear this is a 'spoof' because of the obvious camera 'shake', as if it's being hand-held. Everyone knows the the original camera, for the live stepping onto the Moon was from a camera deployed from the MESA in the Lander compartment.
The 'joke' of the lights' falling down and thus becoming an 'outtake' is a bit like the "Red Bull" joke of a commercial.
You say it's a spoof. Ok ...... suppose you tell everyone who, what, where and why. Details please.
reply posted on 12-10-2008 @ 11:39 AM by weedwhacker
reply to post by anonymousATS
Well, the who, when and why I don't know. The 'how' should be obvious.
The original was probably done as a commercial, originally. It has that 'Red Bull' quality about it....the set, the 'spacesuit', the production values....not a cheaply made film.
But, as I've said, the POV from the camera is simply non-consistent with the actual events of Apollo 11. And, besides.....the 'light fixture' that swings down is obviously a joke....multiple light bulbs would have produced multiple shadows....something not seen at ALL in any Lunar EVA photos.
I once saw a great documentary, either on Discovery or the History Channel. They went out into the desert, at night.....used one giant spotlight to simulate the Sun....and NOTHING that they could film looked anything like what we see from the Apollo footage.
There is NO WAY to simulate a vacuum environment, especially the 1/6th gravity, here on Earth. (Unless there is some sort of "Star Trek" technology that exists today).
The soil on the Lunar surface is unique to that body, since it has accumulated over millions of years, after multiple impacts from foreign bodies. AND no erosional forces to change anything....it is essentially pumice, ground into fine dust....that is the Lunar soil, at the surface.
Anyone who was in Washington State when Mt St. Helens erupted will know what I'm talking about. The ash from a volcanic eruption is very similar to Lunar surface 'soil'....I put the word soil in quotes, to differentiate it from what we know here, on Earth, as 'soil'. Volcanic ash, ground into a fine dust, will not grow food. In fact, in an atmospheric environment, the finer elements of Lunar soil might get kicked up, and billow around, and cause breathing problems. Think of that "Peanuts" (tm) character....forget his name, but everywhere he went, a cloud of dust followed.
So, I've rambled a bit....I hope Dr. Mitchell may see this, I would be honored. Perhaps he could correct some inaccuracies....because HE was there, I of course, was not.
Well, the who, when and why I don't know. The 'how' should be obvious.
The original was probably done as a commercial, originally. It has that 'Red Bull' quality about it....the set, the 'spacesuit', the production values....not a cheaply made film.
But, as I've said, the POV from the camera is simply non-consistent with the actual events of Apollo 11. And, besides.....the 'light fixture' that swings down is obviously a joke....multiple light bulbs would have produced multiple shadows....something not seen at ALL in any Lunar EVA photos.
I once saw a great documentary, either on Discovery or the History Channel. They went out into the desert, at night.....used one giant spotlight to simulate the Sun....and NOTHING that they could film looked anything like what we see from the Apollo footage.
There is NO WAY to simulate a vacuum environment, especially the 1/6th gravity, here on Earth. (Unless there is some sort of "Star Trek" technology that exists today).
The soil on the Lunar surface is unique to that body, since it has accumulated over millions of years, after multiple impacts from foreign bodies. AND no erosional forces to change anything....it is essentially pumice, ground into fine dust....that is the Lunar soil, at the surface.
Anyone who was in Washington State when Mt St. Helens erupted will know what I'm talking about. The ash from a volcanic eruption is very similar to Lunar surface 'soil'....I put the word soil in quotes, to differentiate it from what we know here, on Earth, as 'soil'. Volcanic ash, ground into a fine dust, will not grow food. In fact, in an atmospheric environment, the finer elements of Lunar soil might get kicked up, and billow around, and cause breathing problems. Think of that "Peanuts" (tm) character....forget his name, but everywhere he went, a cloud of dust followed.
So, I've rambled a bit....I hope Dr. Mitchell may see this, I would be honored. Perhaps he could correct some inaccuracies....because HE was there, I of course, was not.
