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reply posted on 7-10-2008 @ 10:44 PM by ProfEmeritus

They IGNORE

Who is THEY?
You know NOTHING of my stand, or others, on those issues.
Quite bluntly, you are exhibiting symptoms of Paranoid Schizophrenia.
I truly believe you should seek medical help. You seem to be on the verge of a complete breakdown. I sincerely mean that.

reply posted on 7-10-2008 @ 11:41 PM by whitewave

Originally posted by Dock6

In the natural world, those beasts which are unable to feed themselves and/or keep up with the rest of the pack, are left for nature (predators, starvation, etc.) to eliminate. In this way, the pack breeds only from those animals which are strong, capable and able to defend their young.

It was the same, generally, with humans, in times past.

Let's ask Stephen Hawkings if HIS life was worth saving.

reply posted on 8-10-2008 @ 03:43 AM by Rufuz

reply to post by Dock6

I was born with a heart conndition, i have been operated sevral times during my youth and now i live fine you are basicly saying that, if you had your way, i would be dead and so would most the populatiob? so basicly its called genocide, hope you are prepared to walk down that path. also we are all entiteled to our own opinion

reply posted on 8-10-2008 @ 04:01 AM by 44soulslayer

These two clowns have an entirely misguided view of Eugenics.

Eugenics is not to be used to sterilize those with trivial "aberrations" in their genetic makeup. It is not to be used to kill those who are prone to cancer, or those with poor eyesight, or those who have a cough or cold as those two were suggesting. It is not to be used to sterilize those who aren't as successful at school, or are struck down by MS or any other terminal illness. We are not so devoid of compassion that we have to kill those in need.

We dont actually need eugenics, because life itself should theoretically prove to be enough of a selection tool. All we need to do is eliminate any and every social welfare program which allows lazy people to sit back and not work. Now I dont mean eliminate all schools or hospitals or any other such vital functions, but I am an exponent of cutting any wasteful expenditure such as the dole.

If we are to employ eugenics, then eugenics in its true form is to create a system whereby only the best can thrive. It is the human extrapolation of natural selection.

Murderers, rapists and other criminals should be sterilized. That is eugenics.

reply posted on 8-10-2008 @ 04:14 AM by king9072

I think anyone who has read both my posts, as well as yours, knows that you never even bothered to read my posts.

reply posted on 8-10-2008 @ 04:18 AM by 44soulslayer

reply to post by king9072

I did, and they were a deep misappropriation of the theory of eugenics.

Were you not suggesting that those who were mentally handicapped should be killed?

You could suggest that teacher not be "wasted" on these cases, but to suggest killing someone else's child is brutality and does great disservice to not only society, but also to the theory of eugenics.

reply posted on 8-10-2008 @ 04:21 AM by dunwichwitch

reply to post by 44soulslayer

EDIT: Soulslayer don't pay attention to most of this. I misunderstood your post... but the other two guys, yeah you two are flipping Nazis.

Didn't I mention this to you before? Instead of making life hard for "lazy people who don't work" how about we fix or make a new system in which people can get along in life for doing what they do best, so they have incentive for living, instead of finding in not worthwhile.

And holy crap... people who are disgusted by Eugenics are "misguided" in their views? How do you have any right to play God with people, tell people to work, to live, to die, to submit? What is wrong with this thread? Did we suddenly get taken over by Nazis yesterday?

This is [SNIP] cruel, man. You have no right to decide who is fit or unfit to live. I'm not a Christian, but I agree with many Christians that God (or whatever you may call the creative source) does have a plan, and these "unfortunate souls" are here to experience, just like all the rest of us... and it is NOONE's place to decide who should live or die. It is most definitely NOT in our nature to leave stragglers behind. Even violent criminals have family and friends who love them and wouldn't want them arbitrarily killed. First they kill the violent criminals with lethal injection because they are a threat to society, then they kill the elderly because they ar4e a burden on society, then they kill the mentally and physically unfit because they are being "merciful, then... then they kill those that don't want to be forced against their will to do unsatisfying work which benefits nobody except the rich.... THEN... they kill perfectly healthy babies because now their's a limit on the amount of children a family can have... then, they kill the poor..... then they kill you. The same idiot who decided that everyone else should die.

No, you crazy nutter... arbitrary killing is definitely NOT the answer. You, nor anyone else living in this realm, has the right to do so. Survival of the fittest is outdated. I'm sorry to say.

I have a speech impediment and a jaw malady. Why don't you kill me? Why don't you send your schustaffel to come round me upand kill me because I dropped outta high school because the ridicule of assholes like you was too much for me to handle, so I never did get a solid education and a well paying job, so I'm forced to work # jobs now and my health isn't so good...so a lot of time I'm unemployed? Why don't you kill me, huh?

Mods... THIS is what hate looks like. THIS THREAD!

Appalling. I'm not easily offended.

Sorry about the profanity and the irritation, mods... but this thread deserved it.

I can only hope you two Nazis aren't being taken seriously by anyone.

Oh look perfect timing as the economy crashes, the same old ideas are presented to the public in times of scarcity.... just kill off the unwanted, so the wanted can eat. Vile.

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reply posted on 8-10-2008 @ 05:10 AM by 44soulslayer

reply to post by dunwichwitch

Unless you are a murderer or rapist, you have nothing to fear from true eugenics.

Its a shame that a minority have taken eugenics to mean killing anyone who is deviant from the norm... frankly under that rule nobody would survive.

reply posted on 8-10-2008 @ 05:34 AM by masqua

The comments are sliding away from the topic and onto the personal.

Eugenics is, and always will be, a contentious issue worthy of discussion. HOWEVER, on ATS we have a rule;

Courtesy is mandatory

Please refrain from attacking those members who are voicing their opinions, either for or against, and rather concentrate your rebuttals upon the opinion expressed.

reply posted on 8-10-2008 @ 05:47 AM by king9072

Originally posted by masqua
The comments are sliding away from the topic and onto the personal.

Eugenics is, and always will be, a contentious issue worthy of discussion. HOWEVER, on ATS we have a rule;

Courtesy is mandatory

Please refrain from attacking those members who are voicing their opinions, either for or against, and rather concentrate your rebuttals upon the opinion expressed.

Im going to assume it was you who blasted me for the 'long quote' though I see many situations where people reply to much longer quotes without being bothered.

I also feel I have been fairly courteous while expressing my views on this subject sticking to my points, defending my arguements and posting thorough responses which don't just state my view, but explain my view.

For all others who seem to have simply jumped on the hate-bandwagon here, quit simply following the "flow" that others in this thread have started, read all the information contained in this thread, then form your own opinions and reply. When you look at every attack towards me, its quite clear that none of these people even read any of my numerous posts in this thread.

The only thing have said in this thread is that Eugenics is going on on an enormous scale even today, your oblivious to the world if you think its not. While adding my own comment to the subject, that I don't believe mentally challenged people should be allowed to burden society.

It went from that, to everyone claiming I want erradicate the world, and every single person for whatever reason should be 'cleansed'. Get off it, read my posts in their entirety and get back on the subject, not the bandwagon.

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reply posted on 8-10-2008 @ 06:48 AM by masqua

Originally posted by king9072

Im going to assume it was you who blasted me for the 'long quote' though I see many situations where people reply to much longer quotes without being bothered.

Since you bothered to bring this OFF TOPIC issue up within the thread instead of either the Complaint button or a U2U to myself, I feel compelled to answer.

The quote removed of was the entire post directly above yours. Please, try to hit the 'Reply to' button instead of 'Quote', saving both bandwidth and space in such instances.

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The topic is Eugenics, please return to it.

reply posted on 8-10-2008 @ 06:53 AM by djcloudy

I am vary wary of vaccines. My aunt has had 2 children, both vaccinated early on. One ended up Autistic, the other has Aspergers (related to Autism). Neither showed signs of these illnesses until about a year or so after being vaccinated. Coincidence? Could be..

reply posted on 8-10-2008 @ 07:38 AM by Rufuz

Originally posted by djcloudy
I am vary wary of vaccines. My aunt has had 2 children, both vaccinated early on. One ended up Autistic, the other has Aspergers (related to Autism). Neither showed signs of these illnesses until about a year or so after being vaccinated. Coincidence? Could be..

Could just be a coincidence, or it could not be it. but there is one issue, it seems to be presuded even tooday, that is so disgusting did we not learn anything from PRE WW2- WW2 era of time.

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But who is involved with it today, Wich nation pratices it ?

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reply posted on 8-10-2008 @ 08:31 AM by dave420

reply to post by Clearskies

Dear oh dear. Dawkins was talking about breeding for specific qualities, not killing off 'inferior' people. The two are completely different takes on a similar idea - bettering a gene pool.

Don't get your knickers in a twist over this.

reply posted on 8-10-2008 @ 08:31 AM by dave420

reply to post by djcloudy

They could have died soon afterwards if not for the vaccines. Wait for evidence to suggest cause, instead of conflating correlation with causation.

reply posted on 8-10-2008 @ 08:44 AM by djcloudy

Originally posted by dave420
reply to post by djcloudy

They could have died soon afterwards if not for the vaccines. Wait for evidence to suggest cause, instead of conflating correlation with causation.

Yes, and they could have been fine, without Autism. I never had a flu vaccination and I have caught the flu only twice in my life (never as a infant or child, so my parents told me). Since I've been vegetarian, I haven't been sick in 5 years. From what I've researched, the flu vaccine will only protect you from several of the current strains, of which there are hundreds, and will be hundreds more.

reply posted on 8-10-2008 @ 04:24 PM by Rufuz

Originally posted by djcloudy

Originally posted by dave420
reply to post by djcloudy

They could have died soon afterwards if not for the vaccines. Wait for evidence to suggest cause, instead of conflating correlation with causation.

Yes, and they could have been fine, without Autism. I never had a flu vaccination and I have caught the flu only twice in my life (never as a infant or child, so my parents told me). Since I've been vegetarian, I haven't been sick in 5 years. From what I've researched, the flu vaccine will only protect you from several of the current strains, of which there are hundreds, and will be hundreds more.

well we can argue human rights against this, but that could be potential hawock. but i would say acording to my principles, ALL human have the right to life we have no right to meddle in it. you will see this before the end.

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