Obama Hatred At McCain-Palin Rallies: "Terrorist!" "Kill Him!", page 8
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reply posted on 9-10-2008 @ 12:03 PM by Grafilthy
reply to post by FlyersFan



I don't know what he can do about it. Perhaps put secret service guys in the audience and when the idiots shout 'kill him' then they can pounce on them and arrest them - charge them with threatening a POTUS candidate? Perhaps have cameras stationed to see the audience and focus in on whoever is doing the shouting?

I don't want everything to come to that. Nobody does.

What I want is for these people to stop trying to demonize Obama as a "terrorist" for being associated for being associated with a guy who was a "radical" during another turbulent time in the course of US history.....the 60's...back when Obama himself was only a child.

We can all play 7 degrees of separation from Kevin Bacon. None of it would be relevant....or true for that matter. But they don't seem to care about (or dare I say actually like) the fact they are creating a dangerous situation. I have said before...this is a Pavlovian reflex from less than intelligent people. The bush doctrine mastered the art of fear. They tell people terrorists are evil and we must kill them all......then the barracuda comes along and attempts to sell a thin connection to a guy they have labeled a "terrorist". Brilliant Rovian tactic....or was it strategy?

I don't like McCain of 2008. That doesn't mean I didn't like the McCain of 2000.....and surely, I wouldn't ever allow people to incite violence against him...now or then. Ever.


reply posted on 9-10-2008 @ 01:47 PM by Grafilthy
reply to post by FlyersFan




Ayers absolutely was (and still is) radical.
There is no excuse for his behavior. None.

Let's see what Fact-Check thinks about that.....

Bill Ayres never killed anyone.


In fact, nobody died as a result of bombings in which Ayers said he participated as part of the Weather Underground, at the New York City Police Headquarters in 1970, in a men's lavatory in the Capitol building in 1971 and in a women's restroom in the Pentagon in 1972. The deaths to which Clinton referred were of three Weather Underground members who died when their own "bomb factory" exploded in a Greenwich Village townhouse on March 6, 1970. Ayers was not present. Also, two police officers were murdered in connection with the robbery of a Brinks armored car by Weather Underground members in 1981. That was about a year after Ayers had turned himself in and after all charges against him had been dropped.


Radical....OK you can have that. I guess they were away from the crew cut mainstream. But so was a large portion of America's youth. Radically against another UNJUST AND UNPOPULAR WAR.

Who caused MORE TERROR in the world in context at the time??????
The Nixon administration??? Or college students who were AGAINST WAR??
Who might I add, never killed anyone.....except a few of their own who died in a accident.

If you guys really just want the "TRUTH" to come out.......

...then tell the WHOLE truth. Not the selective one.

FACTS.....where the rest of the truth lies....


reply posted on 9-10-2008 @ 08:25 PM by Comind
reply to post by AtlantisAgain



With respect to "Not that i'm defending Obama, and they're all basically the same candidate once they take office anyway...", I have to disagree. If Al Gore had gotten into office back in 2000, we would NOT be in Iraq today and our environmental agenda would have been enormously different. Now perhaps you will argue that Al Gore would have brought us other problems but the point is: there are some clear differences between the big party candidates that will have a significant impact on our lives. My beef with the Republicans is that their policies are designed to benefit the rich, who constitute their real base. Obama and the Democrats are much more inclined to cut the rest of us a few breaks. Anyway, whatever you believe, choose wisely this election. I don't buy that it makes no difference. Cheers.


reply posted on 10-10-2008 @ 05:10 AM by Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by fooffstarr



Ultimately I agree.

I do think Obama is one smart dude with a good heart. BUT, the Shadow Government will only let him get elected if they know they can control him. That's the sad truth. If they don't want him to win they will pull the Electoral College card, which is also a sad truth


reply posted on 10-10-2008 @ 05:21 AM by jsobecky
reply to post by Lucid Lunacy



My opinions on this election:

McCain was "given" the nomination as repayment for the dirty tricks pulled on him in 2000. This is his last hurrah, the last chance to atone for dirty tricks.

Obama, on the other hand, is a different case. He has come up too far, too fast. Nothing in his background warrants this. His associations are suspect. He is beholden to someone, whether you call it the "Shadow Gov't" or whatever. But he is in someone's pocket, imo. And they aren't Boy Scouts.


reply posted on 10-10-2008 @ 06:01 AM by mental modulator
Originally posted by jsobecky
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post by Lucid Lunacy



My opinions on this election:

McCain was "given" the nomination as repayment for the dirty tricks pulled on him in 2000. This is his last hurrah, the last chance to atone for dirty tricks.

Obama, on the other hand, is a different case. He has come up too far, too fast. Nothing in his background warrants this. His associations are suspect. He is beholden to someone, whether you call it the "Shadow Gov't" or whatever. But he is in someone's pocket, imo. And they aren't Boy Scouts.


But do you forget that each man is convinced they are just and in good faith?
This is, at its core, a battle of ideas and a battle of perception. I can recognize that
people fear and mistrusts OBAMA. But this judgment hinges entirely on a personal world view. Just like people are attracted to types or enjoy a certain flavor of ice cream. Punching is okay but pulling hair is out of the question.


I'm not a fool... I read and I enjoy to learn. My parents are highly educated and I am a
black sheep. I believe with all my might that the USA has been going in the wrong direction. I have seen many choices and decisions that I have viewed as borderline lunacy. I am not mentally, deficient or criminally insane. Better yet, I can really understand the idea behind peoples ideals. My attempt is to establish myself as an independent free thinker.

These current political realities are often converse of my will, morality and logic.
This particular action seems akin to the mindset that has contributed to the current
conundrum. In short, my instinctual reaction is to to be reminded of the last eight years.

I am not making a judgment call, this was my reaction to the hearing CROWDS react negatively, to something that is positive to me.

The key component to this entire discussion is the perception of what is good and bad.

black and white

light and dark

If I take into account my own views it adds a strong current of emotion to the whole discussion.

YOU see, as bad these FOLKS think OBAMA is - I feel just as strong in the converse.


In fact I could transfer the same concept to how I feel about MCCAIN and PALIN...

As POed as that crowd is at the thought of Obama and co ruling the world...
WELL that is about on par with my views in regard to John Mccain.

Quite literally two worlds would suit the human race fine.

What I view as good to some is the antithesis of hell for another.
Why this is so I don't know???


reply posted on 10-10-2008 @ 06:36 AM by jsobecky
reply to post by mental modulator



Originally posted by mental modulator
But do you forget that each man is convinced they are just and in good faith?


Not sure. I think Obama knows the price he is paying to win this election. But does he think he can outwit those who give him the office? Does he want to outwit them? Not so sure.


This is, at its core, a battle of ideas and a battle of perception. I can recognize that
people fear and mistrusts OBAMA. But this judgment hinges entirely on a personal world view. Just like people are attracted to types or enjoy a certain flavor of ice cream. Punching is okay but pulling hair is out of the question.


This applies to many people. But there is a certain group that think beyond that. We have heard it all before, and have been disappointed over and over again. Sort of like Lucy pulling the football up on Charlie Brown. That is why we look at this, and every, election, with a jaundiced eye. Politicians will say anything to get elected. None has ever kept all his promises.


I'm not a fool... I read and I enjoy to learn. My parents are highly educated and I am a
black sheep. I believe with all my might that the USA has been going in the wrong direction. I have seen many choices and decisions that I have viewed as borderline lunacy. I am not mentally, deficient or criminally insane. Better yet, I can really understand the idea behind peoples ideals. My attempt is to establish myself as an independent free thinker.


Look at the current economic situation. It is easy to want to pin this on BushCo. But to do so would mean turning a blind eye to the Dem's deep involvement.

The worst thing I see happening right now is the trend towards socialism in the US. The nationalization of the banks and mortgage industry are the first major step. This is a grave mistake. It sets a dangerous precedent which Obama will continue to pursue, because he is in favor of gov't solutions for all problems.


These current political realities are often converse of my will, morality and logic.
This particular action seems akin to the mindset that has contributed to the current
conundrum. In short, my instinctual reaction is to to be reminded of the last eight years.

What I view as good to some is the antithesis of hell for another.
Why this is so I don't know???


I always enjoy reading your posts, MM. You are a truly unique thinker, analytical and critical. You're not easily swayed, one way or the other. You can't be bought?

But when you remember the last eight years, realize how little Bush actually had to do with the current economic situation. Research the back story and see who the real culprits are.


reply posted on 10-10-2008 @ 08:12 AM by grover
reply to post by Sonya610



Yeah? The June 2nd Newsweek and News had an article about the all but instituitionalised racism in the secret service.

www.newsweek.com...


[edit on 10-10-2008 by grover]



reply posted on 10-10-2008 @ 11:27 PM by Grafilthy
reply to post by whatsup


I applaud you.
Glad to see you are drifting away from the dark side. It feels good to hear a former right wing supporter have a voice of their own, away from the pack. Like you say....you don't have to agree with the Democratic agenda, just support the causes you feel strongly about. The Democratic party is accepting and it is a much more civil (OK, we protest....but they usually got it coming) and sophisticated approach to politics.

Do you now consider yourself an Independent? Or just a conservative who wants to be free of the slimy neo-con type of politics?? Tell me.....

I only ask because I really DO want the US to become a great country again......we just HAVE to get rid of the type of politics that have plagued our system from the Nixon era, all the way up to Rove. It's causing a divide that get's a little wider each cycle......if we don't mend it, it could break.
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