The Christian Lie!!!, page 1
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Topic started on 6-10-2008 @ 10:31 PM by jimmyjackblack
Ok, the title is a little exaggerated, but it got your attention.
The topic is very serious however, in fact this may be one of the most important threads you'll ever read here on ATS.

I will be quoting many external sources, most of them I agree with and have only found after the fact of my own revelation.

I believe that Christians are supposed to be vegans, I also believe Yeshua was vegan, or at least a "fish vegan" (a vegan who eats fish), or some sort of Essene Order of the Nazarene or something.

I believe that the eating of animals stems from pagan roots, well, more like satanic roots.
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The Way I See It

Ok, let me explain some of this better.
From my years of studying the Bible and some non-cannonized books, one attribute about "The Adversary" has become so incredibly clear, Satan is here to kill, steal and destroy.

From a philosophical view, look at it this way, in eating meat you are in fact killing the animal,[stealing life away from the animal and destroying the animal to fufill a selfish desire.

I know, it sounds a little silly, but this was the beginning of the journey for me, starting from childhood.

In Genesis, God tells us what we are to eat, only plants are to be eaten.
After man was banished from the garden, he was still told to eat plants, but God killed two animals, to make a covering for the sins of man, God had to kill his own creation, something that hurt him deeply.

I know many of you will erroneously post scriptures saying "meat this, meat that", keep in mind that the word "meat" in the Bible is often mistranslated, it's usually talking about "food", not flesh, even the word "flesh" is misused sometimes.

When those bastards, the Nephylim, came down and started polluting the human gene pool I believe one of the evils they taught mankind is the eating of flesh, only after man left the garden did he start to eat meat, only after the flood is it actually written that he ate meat.
I believe that the eating of flesh is one of the many evils that the "Fallen Ones" taught mankind.
Animals are God's creation too, killing them, I believe, is wrong.
Eating of there flesh, I believe, is vile.
Abusing and raising animals, just to murder them and consume them, IS EVIL.


All across the earth, it is believed that eating flesh is good, that it's ok, that if your "A Good American", you'll eat a burger from Mickey D's and hate the vegans and vegetarians. It's also taught that Vegetarianism is "Evil", that it's some sorta Satanism, at least that's how they make it sound.
The truth though, you can be a Christian and be a vegan, you can be a Christian and eat meat, but to make the most out of the freedom found in Yeshua, being a vegan is best.

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I will now quote from some external sources that better summarizes some of my points, please read:

...continued on next post


reply posted on 6-10-2008 @ 10:38 PM by jimmyjackblack




reply posted on 6-10-2008 @ 10:40 PM by jimmyjackblack
...continued from previous post

My final thoughts are this, I was unable to find any documentation (strangely enough) that shoes evidence that meat consumption has it's roots in paganism.
One thing I know for a fact though from my studies over the years is that the killing of living creatures and consuming there flesh and sacrificing it before idols was a VERY popular thing back in ancient times.
But the Israelites sacrificed animals to God, so it must have not been such a bad thing for the Pagans to do right?
No, actually, the difference is a bit bigger than just the act of sacrificing the animal.
Most often the families that sacrificed the animal were attached deply to it, it would be the equivilant of taking your pet (cat, dog, fish, what have you) and killing it to attone for the sin you have.
It hurt the people to sacrifice the animal, but the aroma of the burning sacrifice was like a prayer of love and repentance to God. There was also a lot of symbolism behind the sacrfices too, it was symbolic of God's promise of a Saviour to mankind.
The ancient Pagan rituals of animal/human sacrifice was of bloodlust, no love for the creature was ever held.

I believe that once the Bible became corrupted by the Romans the real change, the real damage had begun to Christianity.

Now I'm not going to go into the health benifits of veganism, or tell you that you're an evil person or not a true Christian if you eat meat, but I will tell you that whatever you choose to do next after reading this, I pray you make the right descision, so I will leave you with this verse.

James 4:17 (King James Version)


17Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.


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Peace and God Bless,

-Jimmy


reply posted on 6-10-2008 @ 11:41 PM by Demandred
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perhapse you should have reaserched alittle better....

why when you decide to bash christians do you quote the OT?

and why if you were going to try passing this didnt you read leviticus 11 after all you claimed you reaserched this and if your going to quote the OT Leviticus should have also been read thorougly


Leviticus 11
Clean and Unclean Food
1 The LORD said to Moses and Aaron, 2 "Say to the Israelites: 'Of all the animals that live on land, these are the ones you may eat: 3 You may eat any animal that has a split hoof completely divided and that chews the cud.
4 " 'There are some that only chew the cud or only have a split hoof, but you must not eat them. The camel, though it chews the cud, does not have a split hoof; it is ceremonially unclean for you. 5 The coney, [a] though it chews the cud, does not have a split hoof; it is unclean for you. 6 The rabbit, though it chews the cud, does not have a split hoof; it is unclean for you. 7 And the pig, though it has a split hoof completely divided, does not chew the cud; it is unclean for you. 8 You must not eat their meat or touch their carcasses; they are unclean for you.

Leviticus 11



perhaps the title should read jews are liars? well we cant say that because its anti semitic so why not bash christians.

God explicitly states that one purpose of plants and animals was to provide food for man.

Look at the birds of the air, that they do not sow, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not worth much more than they? (Matt. 6:27).

Jesus goes on to say, "Do not be anxious saying, 'What shall we eat? Or what shall we drink?'...for...your heavenly Father knows that you have need for all these things." (Matt. 6:31-32).

about the only thing christians are guilty of is eating pigs, does that make us a liar?

perhaps were all going to burn in hell over a ham sandwich...

sorry if this post sounds alittle harsh but im tired of people who know little about my faith making these wild claims.



reply posted on 7-10-2008 @ 02:42 AM by drevill
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hello Jimmy

i have to disagree

firstly, i may agree if you were talking pre flood. There is fair argument for that

however

Genesis 9:3

Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things

the chapter goes on to mention flesh with life, this is man.

there are clean and unclean and this is different

david


reply posted on 7-10-2008 @ 03:40 AM by jmdewey60
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Abusing and raising animals, just to murder them and consume them, IS EVIL.
The Hebrew religion is one of nomadic herdsmen and does not make much sense otherwise.
Remember Cain was a vegan.


reply posted on 7-10-2008 @ 08:05 PM by LeoVirgo
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I give you stars and a flag for being brave enough to take on such a subject. Even if it lacks evidence in some eyes, it takes confidence on what you feel about something to post it to others minds.

I for one, agree that there could be some grave confusion that has been brought on since the time of Abraham. I will make some time to posts things from scriptures and outside sources of old scriptures that might help others see why we think this could be the case.

The word meat in the Bible is actually many words being used as one meaning. Sometimes when it says meat at was meant as 'anything to eat'. Also, in genesis (ill defiantly have to do some research) but I think the herbs and nuts are told to be our meats. There is some science research that says our bodies were not meant to eat meat (also some science that says vise versa though).

The prophets did not partake of meat or wine, John the Baptist, James the Righteous and Jesus I believe ate of no meat nor drank wine. Before everyone jumps up and says Jesus ate a lamb and had wine with the last supper....IT WAS ALL SYMBOLIC. Taking of the bread/flesh/meat is symbolic that we are all a part of Christ. Our body is his, his body was ours. When we realize this, new understandings come. The wine is the soul. Partaking of the wine is partaking of the spirit within you. The story of the wine press and god walking through the winepress is symbolic of god trodding through the spirit...helping our souls transform into a new substance/body. For me, the story of the owner of the vineyards sums the wine thing up. God owned many vineyards and hired masters to care for them. At harvest time, he sends a servant to collect the harvest. The master, becoming greedy and prideful in his works of caring for the garden, kills the servant that was sent. God, then sends his son, for the master surely wont kill his son when sent. But, the son is killed. The only thing the owner can do is go and collect the harvest theeself. I see it as the servants have came, the son has came...the only one left to come is the owner. The earth is like a winepress, pressing out the light (spirit) from the dark(flesh). The grape represents a flesh body that holds wonderful juices, spirits. No light/spirit shall be lost.

I only find it important to those who seek a change in their spirit. I dare say I practiced this for a few weeks of my deepest seeking of God and this was when many phenomenal things happened. I have not stuck to this no meat thing, but I do eat very little. Twice a week at the most (weakness is bacon
:@@. I feel animals are a part of souls or something like that. I feel the whole sacrifice thing was a misleading revelation that led many astray for the demands of God. When I do eat meat, Im very conscious of blessing the flesh that I partake of. God at least knows Im aware that this meat once held life. I think awareness is the key, practicing it is for the higher/deeper seeker (if we are relating this to a spiritual thing).

Its easy to listen to the ego, the part that enjoys the 'taste' of things.

Ill come back to this thread in a bit, not sure that I can help with the evidence and facts that people like to see on here, but I back your idea that in the spiritual path, not eating meat can open ones eyes to many things. I dont think we need to be perfect...just be aware of what a PRIME way would be.

Im sorry if I sound preachy, but Im passionate about this kind of thing...souls, life, the spirit, so precious.

Blessings
LV
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