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Israel expected to bomb Iran, French foreign minister says

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posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 02:40 PM
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It appears the Israeli's are also guilty of using chemical weapons.


By now there are countless reports, from hospitals, witnesses, armament experts and journalists that strongly suggest that in the present offensive of Israeli forces against Lebanon and Gaza 'new weapons' are being used.

New and strange symptoms are reported amongst the wounded and the dead.

Bodies with dead tissues and no apparent wounds; 'shrunken' corpses; civilians with heavy damage to lower limbs that require amputation, which is nevertheless followed by unstoppable necrosis and death; descriptions of extensive internal wounds with no trace of shrapnel, corpses blackened but but not burnt, and others heavily wounded that did not bleed.

Many of these descriptions suggest the possibility that the new weapons used include 'direct energy' weapons, and chemical and/or biological agents, in a sort of macabre experiment of future warfare, where there is no respect for anything: International rules (from the Geneva Convention to the treaties on biological and chemical weapons), refugees, hospitals and the Red Cross, not to mention the people, their future, their children, the environment, which is poisoned through dissemination of Depleted Uranium and toxic substances released after oil and chemical depots are bombed.

www.globalresearch.ca...




The Palestinian ministry of health revealed on Monday that the Israeli army has used a new type of explosive in its offensive on the Gaza Strip. These explosives contain toxics and radioactive materials which burn and tear the victim's body from the inside and leave long term deformations.
The ministry called upon the international community and the humanitarian organizations to send an international medical community to examine the victims and confirm the truth about these banned weapons that Israel appears to be using.
The ministry showed that most of the injuries which the hospitals receive result from huge explosions which cause burning and severing of limbs, including the inner parts of the body. This causes long term deformations.

electronicintifada.net...


www.antiwar.com...
www.thetruthseeker.co.uk...
www.expatica.com...


Yeah,this is a country worth fighting for.




dooper.



And I would destroy every population center in Iran, every potential nuclear research facility, every pipeline, every port, and every mosque. I'd tell the world, no more. Then I'd turn to Syria and North Korea and give them the option to forego their aggressive actions and potential nuclear programs, or face the same.

I guarantee you, they would determine that their nuclear programs and aggressive postures weren't really all that important.













[edit on 16-10-2008 by jakyll]




posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 02:45 PM
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Excellant! You agree!

I thought you might eventually see the error of your ways!



posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 02:49 PM
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Originally posted by dooper
Excellant! You agree!

I thought you might eventually see the error of your ways!


Oh I don't agree with the might makes right attitude, but I do realize that it is the easy way out. The problem is that the rest of the world is getting pretty sick of US and their might makes right policy and they are getting close to the tipping point of using that policy back.



posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 03:12 PM
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And if we become the United Socialist States of America like Obama and his ilk want, we will be cannon fodder. (Or nuke fodder would be more apt.)

www.usawakeup.org...



posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 03:15 PM
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Cannon fodder?

Sounds like Bush and McCains fear mongering is working!



posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 03:32 PM
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And people like you who think that attacking Iran is the right thing to do should be cannon fodder.

You want the war,you fight it.





So according to scripture, the land of Israel is God's land not the Palestians, the U.N., Britain, etc. And the Abrahamic promise of this land is still in effect! God brought his people back to this land and him alone. Any nation or person who opposes Israel's right to this land will find them fighting God himself and believe me they are fighting a losing battle!! I wouldn't want to fight God. Iran claims they have the right to eliminate Israel. Well, just watch, in the near future Iran, Libya, Syria, Russia and various other countries will come against Israel militarily, but God will defeat them himself! Remember what I have said, Ezekiel 38 tells it all.


From a biblical perspective Zionism/Israel has problems.

1)The fact is that almost none of the Jews in modern Israel are descendants of the original Jews of Palestine thousands of years ago.Most of the Jews in Israel today are descendants of Europeans who had converted to Judaism in the Middle Ages (known as Khazar or Ashkenazi Jews).

2)The last time God had promised in the scriptures to bring the Jews back to their ancestral homeland was fulfilled centuries ago when He brought them back from their Babylonian captivity.So the Jews in present day modern Israel are not a fulfillment of that ancient promise.

3)God's promises concerning the land to the Jews in the Old Testament were conditional,as long as they continued to obey Him were those promises concerning the land binding.(read Deuteronomy 28).Within those conditions are the 10 Commandments.Yet they have murdered,they have coveted,they have stolen,they have lied.In doing so they have for-fitted their right to the land.




[edit on 16-10-2008 by jakyll]



posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 03:56 PM
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You are getting me confused with dooper. I hate war and would not participate in it unless forced to defend myself, but...if I seen a neighbor country arming itself with nuclear weapons, saying they will push me into the sea, wipe me off the face of the map (? nuclear war can do that), I would take that as a threat. I would also look at their reputation, are they warmongers? Aggressive? Initiate war or skirmishes? Hateful? Then I would take anything they did (such as building a nuclear plant) as a potential threat.



posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 04:02 PM
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bjb, sorry about that, his getting the two of us confused.

That's not all he is confused about.



posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 04:15 PM
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I'm not getting you confused.



if I seen a neighbor country arming itself with nuclear weapons, saying they will push me into the sea, wipe me off the face of the map (? nuclear war can do that), I would take that as a threat. I would also look at their reputation, are they warmongers? Aggressive? Initiate war or skirmishes? Hateful? Then I would take anything they did (such as building a nuclear plant) as a potential threat.



The fact that you believe the mistranslations of what the Iranian president said,the fact that you believe they have nuclear weapons despite the lack of concrete evidence, and the fact that you've forgotten that Israel and the US threatened Iran first tells me that your stance is this;attack Iran.


Thats the impression i get.
If its wrong,then you have my apology.



posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 05:19 PM
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Yes I agree I am just posting new reports as I stumble upon them that coincide with my OP for this thread .
But yes I agree



posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 05:22 PM
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Originally posted by jakyll

I'm not getting you confused.



if I seen a neighbor country arming itself with nuclear weapons, saying they will push me into the sea, wipe me off the face of the map (? nuclear war can do that), I would take that as a threat. I would also look at their reputation, are they warmongers? Aggressive? Initiate war or skirmishes? Hateful? Then I would take anything they did (such as building a nuclear plant) as a potential threat.




I have those actions coming from a country already...which one could it be...oh yeah that's right...It is Israel. Funny how people think that is what Iran WOULD do, when it is exactly what Israel IS doing.



posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 05:28 PM
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Another story of interest that I found just coming out of Iran that may be directly related to what we have been talking about ..

Former Iranian President Khatami Urged to Run Again
By VOA News
16 October 2008

Supporters of former Iranian President Mohammad Khatami have urged him to run for the office again.

The call came during a ceremony Thursday in his hometown of Yazd, in central Iran.

Students who attended the tribute for Mr. Khatami chanted his name and called him "the next president."

But the former leader remained silent on whether he would mount a comeback by running against his successor, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, in next June's presidential election.
www.voanews.com...



posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 05:30 PM
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I don't think it matters who is President to be honest. They could use a roadcone and people would be calling for it's head.



posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 05:58 PM
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Here's a link to a news story where Iran is playing nuclear watch dog , I suspect they do this for many reasons but can't help but wonder if it has anything to do with there current attempt to get a seat on the UN security consul , would that not be something with things they way they are ?

Iran: Nuclear powers hinder disarmament
LONDON, October 16 (IranMania) - Iran says the West's non-compliance to the Non-Proliferation Treaty has seriously undermined the process of global nuclear disarmament, PressTV reported.

In a Wednesday address to the UN Disarmament Committee, Iranian envoy Eshaq Alehabib said the West's noncompliance with the NPT as well as 'irrational military doctrines which justify the use of atomic weapons' are stonewalling the disarmament process.

Alehabib said nuclear-armed states have failed to fulfill their NPT obligations and have raised serious questions on whether they have a genuine intention to dismantle their nuclear weapons in line with the treaty.

"This trend has contributed to the lack of world confidence, which will undoubtedly have severe consequences if left unaddressed," he said, citing Washington's nuclear arsenal as a blatant example of non-compliance to the Non-Proliferation Treaty.
www.iranmania.com...



posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 08:12 PM
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Now, Israel is being pestered. There's one way to do it. It's simple. It's conclusive, and it's appropriate. If they don't want direct evidence, they too use a bit of slick. Launch stealth nuclear cruise missiles from tramp steamers in the Indian Ocean. After launch, sink the ships with charges, haul butt out of there on fast boats, and the problem is solved.

But if twenty nuclear weapons are sufficient, you use forty. The point is, to make a point. And every nation in the Middle East will breath a little easier.

[edit on 17/10/2008 by Badge01]



posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 09:05 PM
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Vulgarity on ATS, Please review this link




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posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 10:30 PM
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If

Originally posted by dooper
I don't give much credence to the determinations of the United Nations. The definition of the United Nations seems to be all the nations united against the United States. We host it, we fund it, and all the little dogs continue their incessant yapping for the sole purpose of minimizing the United States, or tying Israel's hands behind the backs.



Dooper You really need to sort yourself out and then sort out your spewing violence crap. I'm serious about this. You will get yourself banned as a result of this trolling. Your behaviour is disgusting and demonic. It is not acceptable Please give it over.


For example, You sit here and whine and complain about terrorists nations that need to be bombed (which is only your opinon), But then why are you behaving like a terrorist yourself in the same respect. Your behaving no different in the way you've carried yourself throughout ATS. I've bolded some examples evidence of these contradictions you've made, clearly.
First point
You behave like a teenager on steriods on matters as this, We are suppsed to be adults, and we are expected to deal with conflicts in an adult manner likewise, not like out of control teenagers. it's not going to solve anything, all your doing is aggravating the situation. We don't accept this behaviour. We don't need this behaviour on these threads, especiallly when given the situation of violence been the topic. It is almost like your just provoking now and nothing else to contribute for.
Behaving the way you are, proves nothing but, YOU wanting genocide and war no matter what the cost and outcome we are led to believe.

This is Zionist propaganda Supporting a war for zionist interests. Now I ask you again what do you think you are doing on this thread supporting Iran to anilated. There is no rightly support or justifcation for it.

If you support this war, then you need to prove to everyone on this thread that bombing each other is logical, correct and works.
Nobody feels or agree with your analogy in reality. It only kills more people and that's what people see.

So You need to prove that behaving like an animal benificial to this war i.e "I attack you and you attack me", and that humans should treat each other like animals(which you support) works in conflict today. Prove to us that this is better than us human being's using diplomacy and communication in dealing with conflicts instead.

Second point You then need to then realise, (No matter who's the blame in conflict or whos started conflict)
Is that reacting to violence leads to more violence. It leads to only more resentment on both sides and more people killed. The surviving are left with the pain and loss to deal with forever, and the cycle continues, until someone put an end to violence. You need to realise this point. Israel threatening to bomb another country, is doing itself n favours and nobody else favours, if you can understand this point.

Third point
If.......... Israel does bomb Iran, The world will know truly that the Zionist's do not want peace, and will further isolate the jewish from the rest of the world. So in fact Israel will suffer too. Israel will be judged and rightly so as a Terrorist nation

So no matter what you issue is with Iran or any country for that matter. Israel is actually no different to a terrorist nation than any other terrorist state or group. That is a fact. Israel, can be easily put under the list as a terrorist nation If it proceeds to bomb Iran

Your contribution to this thread, offers nothing of goodwill, but to the zionist's interest's.

We want logic and solutions to this crisis . We need to use understanding, communication and Diplomacy in this conflict, not violence and aggression like you immaturely present yourself on this matter. We will deal with this maturely.


If you still even now dissagree with logic, then show us the advantages of genoicide and bombing Iran that could lear to WW3. Logic is already showing your intentions, that you apart of the Zionists interest's in to creating a genocide in the ME
Unless you can prove me wrong, Your behaviour just keeps showing it I'm afraid





The United States should pull out of the United Nations.

Why, because it's the benifet of the Zionists, or you, or what. Why though out of interest?



Arm Israel to the teeth

Why?

This really is such an incompetent and blinding thing to say, when are so against another nation allowd arms to protect itself from Israel.. Dooper, You have a problem with Iran arming itself? But you don't have a problem israel having all the killing machines it ever needs? Biased and shocking on your part.

Iran has nucs = bad
Israel have nucs = good

Iran wanting to defend itself = bad
Israel attacking Iran = good

This is what your saying? Ever hear of two wrong's don't make a right. Valuable lesson for you. Put it up on your bedroom door as a reminder.

I want a direct answer to this inane, illogical contradiction of yours thanks.



rent bases for the Unites States to operate out of within the territory of Israel, and dare anyone to come again.
. We are human beings, Iranian's (as much as you hate people) are human beings and Israel should get no special treatment from anyone as like other nations. USA should step out for once too bear in mind





And I would destroy every population center in Iran, every potential nuclear research facility, every pipeline, every port, and every mosque. I'd tell the world, no more. Then I'd turn to Syria and North Korea and give them the option to forego their aggressive actions and potential nuclear programs, or face the same.


No it's people like you who should be stopped, you show far more aggreesion than any of the people who are think are terrorists or even the nations on your axis of evil list. You want to destroy millions of people, that is the defenition of a terrorist!!

Your mouth is proof of it. You are actually speaking like a terrorist. Your behaviour is not acceptable.

Please go outside for a moment and take a long deep breath, and look at your own behaviour right now. You have no respect or wish to show it. Your apathetic in your views and understandings of the world. But you still think your smart enough to point out other's people's wrong doings or other countries problems. hmmmmm. go outside again? You point out other's are terrorists, yet you behave like a terrorist?, Think you need to go outside again like I told you?
Think now. Think long hard Dooper.

A bit of a contradiction there Dooper, your really showing it now


People live in Iran who have the right to freedom and go out about their everyday lives just as much as you. You have no right to impose and threaten your power or will over them. Nor does any country either.

It's funny how you state Syria and North Korea as aggressive nations, But in the same line in your paragraph you are been aggressive too. Showing agression and acting agression onto aggression. This behaviour get's you nowhere

So to sum up ur illogical paragraph it basically means
Your allowed to be agressive and no one else is. You dont't have that authority
So Dooper what have you to say to that.



That's how you meet an unsettling force with force. This has been known since the ancients, since records have been taken. It's simple. It works.


What's simple? what works? force of what, and against what?
What's been known since the ancients?

Dooper come on now, don't be stating your opinons as fact
unless proven



[edit on 16-10-2008 by mind is the universe]



posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 11:15 PM
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I personally don't care if I ever hear from you again. You failed to see the analogy, stunned that someone would take proactive action such as I did, after the talking did no good.

I was a bit surprised that you would suggest hurting anyone! Now that's more like it!

You see, everyone has their own justifications. Yours and mine are simply different.



posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 11:21 PM
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Originally posted by jakyll
You're a disgusting,ignorant racist and pitiful excuse of a human being,and i hope one day you get what you deserve.




You know, he loves, war, violence, hate.

And thats what fills his heart. That will be his existence on earth until 6foot under. The wealth and power emtys a mans heart.


He already got what he deserves Jajyll.



posted on Oct, 16 2008 @ 11:54 PM
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I've never seen anyone so . . . touchy.

Trolling? Is that the only word you know for a statement you disagree with? Trolling? For God's sake man, find another word. You've worn that one down so much, it's almost threadbare!

I don't whine and complain that terrorists should be vaporized. I state it quite clearly. And if a state supports terrorists, that state should likewise be eliminated.

No more supply, no more funding, no more terrorists, no more problem.

Simple problem, simple solution.

This is not Zionist. I'm not a Zionist, I'm not a Jew, I'm not an Israeli, and I'm not supporting any Zionist propaganda. In fact, I've only know three Jews my whole life. I'm a blue-eyed Gentile, and when I speak of Iran who is also a white race, then it can't be racism. See how that works?

Instead, it's just good, prudent, common sense.

Violence does not lead to more violence - if you do it right. I've yet to see a dead man file a protest. I've yet to see a dead man pursue revenge. You do to Iran what Iran wants to do to you. You just do it first!

If the Israeli's strike first, you suggest it will further isolate them. Man, where have you been??? If they were any more isolated, they'd be on another planet. And this is where it gets interesting. With the exception of Syria, all the other Arab countries in the Middle East, including Jordan and Saudi Arabia won't admit it publicly, but they hate Persians. They don't like Persians. They've never liked Persians. So if Israel wipes out Iran, they'll scold Israel like all the others, but when they turn their back, they'll be smiling.

In 332 BC Alexander approached Tyre, and as was his practice, extended his hand of friendship. Refused the the citizens of Tyre, he wiped it out, and you can even read of the prophecy of this in Ezekial 27: 1-36.

He destroyed them. This is where the lesson to be learned is. The next time Alexander spoke, people listened. When he offered his hand of friendship and rule to the other cities, they welcomed him with open arms and open gates. It saved thousands and thousands of lives in the long run.

If Israel wants to save lives in the Middle East, then they take out the big turd first. Then others will realize that they mean what they say, and what they say, they mean. The hand of friendship is real, but so is their fist of an enemy.

Simple problem. Simple solution, and it can all be over with in less than a half-hour. This isn't all that difficult.



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