The polls are wrong - McCain is winning - and here's why.., page 1
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reply posted on 6-10-2008 @ 03:05 PM by nyk537
reply to post by stikkinikki


Oh I think it can get MUCH worse under Obama and the new socialist America. For all the grief Bush gets, we haven't had it that bad.

Things could be much, much worse.



reply posted on 6-10-2008 @ 03:10 PM by buddhasystem
Originally posted by nyk537
reply to post by stikkinikki


Oh I think it can get MUCH worse under Obama and the new socialist America. For all the grief Bush gets, we haven't had it that bad.

Things could be much, much worse.


How exactly?

Look, what McCain will do to our healthcare is robbery. What he will do to couples with incomes under 250k, with his tax plan, is robbery. What is his open-ended commitment in Iraq about? They are awash with money and we keep losing people and cash. Enough of that nonsense.

McCain speaks for the ruling elite who apparently haven't had their fill of sucking blood out of working America, and FOX is their tool on the road to domination.


reply posted on 6-10-2008 @ 03:17 PM by TheWalkingFox
reply to post by buddhasystem


"Socialist" is the word they turn to when they have no idea what they're talking about. Most couldn't define the word without Wikipedia and a thesaurus at hand. "Socialist" is just their way of saying "Evil!" without revealing themselves to be rather dim.

Seriously, try it. Whenever a righty says something is socialist, replace it with the word "evil" - it usually works a lot smoother because it's what they meant anyway. Also, "Evil" is interchangeable with "anything I don't like."

They don't know what Socialism is, they don't know who is actually a socialist, they just know they're not supposed to like it, so it must be evil. Curiously all of them want to stay on the US and not move to a country with a freer market like, say, Afghanistan, or a Tongan Sweatshop, where htey can be free of socialist unions and minimum wage...


reply posted on 6-10-2008 @ 03:25 PM by rapinbatsisaltherage
reply to post by Fromabove


1. Where do you get those numbers?

2. You are not factoring in hundreds of thousands of newly registered Democrats.

This election looks very close, I have no idea who is going to win and polls constantly jump up and down or shift who is in the lead, so I wouldn't listen to them anyway but your numbers are off.

[edit on 6-10-2008 by rapinbatsisaltherage]


reply posted on 6-10-2008 @ 03:49 PM by sos37
Originally posted by buddhasystem
Originally posted by nyk537
reply to post by stikkinikki


Oh I think it can get MUCH worse under Obama and the new socialist America. For all the grief Bush gets, we haven't had it that bad.

Things could be much, much worse.


How exactly?

Look, what McCain will do to our healthcare is robbery. What he will do to couples with incomes under 250k, with his tax plan, is robbery. What is his open-ended commitment in Iraq about? They are awash with money and we keep losing people and cash. Enough of that nonsense.

McCain speaks for the ruling elite who apparently haven't had their fill of sucking blood out of working America, and FOX is their tool on the road to domination.



And the rest of the media is Obama's tool on his road, right? Or you think the rest of the media is fair and not biased at all and only Fox news is biased?

Also, Obama's tax plan will give money to the middle and lower class, but they will also have to worry about keeping their jobs. As I've said many times before - tax the rich and they will make up the loss by cutting expenses elsewhere, namely employees, whether it's business or residents who employ cleaners, gardners, etc.

So that extra money Obama may give you will very likely be spent making ends meet while you hunt for a new job.

At least McCain's approach is realistic. Give the rich tax breaks so you help create new jobs and encourage expansion.

And you want to talk about a money pit - what about Obama saying he's going to send troops to Iraq even though we now have Brigadier Mark Carleton-Smith saying that the war in Afghanistan cannot be won? (www.reuters.com...)

Obama's policy's are just as flawed as you make McCain's out to be.



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reply posted on 6-10-2008 @ 03:59 PM by total_slacker
reply to post by sos37


You are correct that jobs may be lost during an Obama administration. However the only people who should worry about that are in India and China because thanks to the business-friendly governments we've had for the last couple of decades all of the jobs remaining for American citizens have already been sold off - to the lowest bidder.


reply posted on 6-10-2008 @ 04:10 PM by round_eyed_dog
reply to post by Fromabove


I'm a bit confused by your post. You say that you don't believe the polls because some arbitrary unsourced and unnamed news reports. Didn't you also say that you didn't trust the media?

Where are you getting those numbers from? I'm not trying to be overly persnickety, I'm just looking for a little clarification.


reply posted on 6-10-2008 @ 04:22 PM by MorningStar8741
Originally posted by nyk537
reply to post by stikkinikki


Oh I think it can get MUCH worse under Obama and the new socialist America. For all the grief Bush gets, we haven't had it that bad.

Things could be much, much worse.


socialist? so Obama made the public take private debts so corporations can take public money? I thought Bush was still in charge. I thought he was the one pushing the biggest example of socialism yet. You are worried about what? Help for the poor? Welfare moms? Yeah, I would much rather give the same money to rich CEOs to piss away in foreign markets. Socialism is here, buddy. It has been here and will be here. It is just up to us which way that socialism flows. Sorry but forcing me to pay for private corporation mistakes - the government taking over private debt......is socialism. Please tell me that was Obama's fault.


reply posted on 6-10-2008 @ 04:29 PM by sos37
Originally posted by buddhasystem
Originally posted by sos37
At least McCain's approach is realistic. Give the rich tax breaks so you help create new jobs and encourage expansion.


Oh, we all know how well this worked! The manufacturing industry in the US is gutted on Bush's watch, and the white collar jobs have all but been outsourced to India. Paid for with our tax dollars! Sure, let's tax them less so they can expand in Bangalore (while our kids won't have money to go to college and compete). Pure, unadulterated robbery.

I'm sick and tired of hearing about miracles of unlimited free market, moreso in the last few weeks which witnessed the financial calamity, to which McCain contributed by being Deregulator Extraordinaire, and in addition completely divorsed from reality ("fundamentals of our economy are strong"). My @rse.


You're blaming the system when you should be blaming the consumer. It's like you saying "I don't like that this TV show is offered. I want it off the air." when all you have to do is turn the channel.

The reason outsourcing is successful is because American consumers make it successful. They want everything faster, smaller, cheaper and they want it NOW.

Consider the real-life example of E-Loan, Inc., a Pleasanton, Calif.-based company that processes loan applications. Because of the growing sensitivity to "outsourcing," E-Loan offered customers a choice. Processing your loan could take 12 days if processed by American workers. If, however, you wanted your results two days earlier – in 10 days – you could agree to have your loan processed in India. Guess what? According to the Los Angeles Times, 9 out of 10 customers choose the 10-day, overseas option. So much for, "I only buy if it's made in America."


Source: www.worldnetdaily.com...

Even Hilary Clinton understood that outsourcing was just part of global economics.

Sen. Clinton, offering yet another reason why she may be savvy enough to win her party's 2008 nomination, said, "There are people who feel left behind ... because they do not understand the economic benefits of outsourcing."


Source: Same as above

And she was right, except she didn't get the nomination because people like you let Obama do your thinking.
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