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reply posted on 6-10-2008 @ 07:35 PM by 04326
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In principle and in terms of the small changes i can make - its a Yea. I have cut down on my grocery bill to about $70 per week from about $200+. About to start a vegie patch, started using 'fresh produce' instead of the processed stuff - all in the aim of moving towards breaking depends on the system.

If I was single once again, then i would be following my instinct of finding a cave in the mountains and stocking up with the non-perishables. but unfortunately i am married to someone who even now hasn't even considered looking at the news let alone consider changing our lifestyles - I fear that i may have to stay and fight once things get bad in my part of the world (outside of the USA). The bad thing is that we dont have access to arms like the United States and considering that I am a muslim (adhering to the non-crazy version), born in an Islamic country, with an (estranged) father who held a senior authority position in the 'intelligence' service - I don't think that I will somehow qualify for a fire arms permit.




reply posted on 6-10-2008 @ 08:28 PM by ProfEmeritus

About to start a vegie patch, started using 'fresh produce' instead of the processed stuff - all in the aim of moving towards breaking depends on the system.


That is great. I've had a garden as long as I can remember, and we saved a ton of money, and in addition, we knew that what we fed our children, and now our grandchildren, doesn't have any poison chemicals. If you can grow tomatoes in your area, cherry tomatoes are a must, in addition to larger varieties. Once you plant cherry tomatoes, you'll have them for life. Some will fall on the ground, and the next year, you'll have literally hundreds of cherry tomato plants. Children love them (and so do grandma and grandpa)!
The larger varieties we grow for sandwiches, etc. but mostly we, grow them to make tomato sauce and vegetable soup. Two dozen plants of the beefsteak variety will give you enough tomatoes to process about 40 gallons of vegetable soup and tomato sauce, enough for the average family for a year. Since pasta is still fairly reasonable, and has an extremely long shelf life, as a survival meal, vegetable soup and tomato sauce (both from your garden) and pasta will feed you family, and avoid starvation. Make sure that you grow beans in your garden (a VERY easy vegetable to grow), and add them to your vegetable soup, and you have protein. Onions are also easy to grow, especially if you use the onion sets (small onions that have been dried).
Here in the US you can get 200 onion sets for about $1 to $2 total, and 200 onions will usually last you about 6 months, using them in soup and tomato sauce.
If you have any questions, I'd be glad to answer them for you. I've been gardening for almost 50 years.


reply posted on 6-10-2008 @ 09:01 PM by 04326
reply to post by alphabetaone

Alphabetaone:
My husband is a wonderful guy, but he is very close minded about things which threaten to disrupt the lifestyle we have built. I am deeply religious (but will not impose my ideas on anyone) and have been lucky enough to be given the opportunity to have 'faith' in things which dont physically manifest themselves but have the potential of having greater implications. I was also encouraged to be open minded and question things in order to get a better understanding of why things are and what could be. I also come from a line of people who can be called 'self made'. My great grandfather was a 9 year old orphan with six mouths to feed. He worked hard and provided for them - his grandchildren are all now either doctors, lawyers, scientists or engineers and have been taught the virtues of self reliance & hardwork.

All the while, our society has 'groomed' a vast majority of people in the last twenty odd years to just go along with the flow. They are spoon fed things on the news and conditioned to not question things and pursue a very materialistic lifestyle. No wonder the current state of affairs has come to pass and people are becoming more insulated in their own world. My darling husband belongs to this category - where his parents did not suffer any economic hardships and enjoyed a life of previlage. So like a lot of others, he has busied himself in hobbies and video games and the latest cars etc. As far as he is concerned, why read books when you can watch a movie and why worry about money when you have a good job. If one has never suffered then how can we expect them to understand.

After all ignorance is bliss for many I am sure that you come across many in your everyday dealings who have not yet 'awakened' and probably never will.

ProfEmeritus:
Thankyou for the heads up about the tomatoes and onions. I have been trying to figure out what plants i need to establish as I have a very limited garden space. I will most likely end up using long planters instead of the backyard so llet's see.

I am totally hopeless at the whole planting thing and may just take up your kind offer and will ask for advice in the next few days.


reply posted on 6-10-2008 @ 09:09 PM by ProfEmeritus
I'd be glad to help you. By the way, there are several threads that discuss home gardens. Here is one:
www.abovetopsecret.com...
Again, though, I'd be glad to help you. Just let me know what kind of soil you have, and what kind of climate you live in, e.g subtropical, temperate, tropical, wet, dry, etc. That will determine, in large part, what you can grow. I mentioned tomatoes because 1>)They grow in most climates and soil conditions 2.)They are very prolific 3.)They are easy to grow
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