"Focusing on a particular experience by my mother who almost passed away this June"
Hi, thanks for this info.
May I ask how your mother almost passed away?
Thanks.

Let me first say, she is one amazing lady!

I was captivated by every word that she spoke.. If nothing more, I think her story, her experience, brings hope that life after death really does exist! Thank you so much for sharing this..

some more background:
the fact that the videoptakes place in our kitchen is amazing in of itself; for sshe had not been ou of bed for 2 years before this happened. somehow, almost dying has gave her a new lease on life. she is up in a wheelchair cooking dinner again and hanging out in the living room with everybody for the first time in so long...and she looks 10 years younger! so fresh now, it something to ponder on for sure.

With all due respect and condolense.
That is some pretty personal stuff to share on a web board. I won't watch the video because I believe it to be of personal nature.

Wow, you have really brought this full circle smallpeeps, TY for the time and spirit you have added here, TY.

Youre ideas about the names has sure got me searching alot of new things. Im taking baby steps, slowly absorbing.

I dont want people to get this idea we are promoting sun worship! NOTE-the image of RA was polluted...I dont think God ever wanted people to WORSHIP the sun. In the energies of our solar system, our sun is the light of the world...it is the highest almighty energy of our solar system. This is symbolic! God is the highest almighty energy of EVERYTHING, even beyond our solar system. Since the ages of time, man has wanted to place human characteristics into God so man could have understanding of what the 'most high' or almighty' could be imagined as. In earliest mans thoughts, our sun was the best image for this, symbolism. Man failed when he began worshiping the literal shining light of life.

Just my 2 cents....would love to hear whatcha think smallpeeps!

Peace,
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I know its against the rules to post just one line ( or something like that) but all I can do is *smile* with no words to say.

Wow. I'm afraid I have to chip in here with a "Heaven sounds like crap!".

Mud brick huts? Foreboding cocoons? Rooms of blood? Cherubs that don't want to talk to me? Things she describes as "devilish"? Unexpected feelings of tiredness? People gibbering in a language I don't understand?

Heaven sounds like junk. I'll stick with whatever Hell has to offer, because Heaven isn't anything like advertised! I don't think she went where she expected to go...

Not withstanding I obviously don't believe this was a vision of Heaven, Hell or any kind of afterlife, this was your mother nearly dying and her brain doing strange and wonderful things. She has an awesome grasp of the Bible on a superficial level. She clearly knows it very well, and thus this was what she must have been thinking about when she was having her problems.

Plus the bunch of other strange things: Jesus in Petra and Egypt, Ra being God (I loved this though, it's true probably the only thing that is!), and a nice bit of history that was only vaguely accurate. All stuff she's picked up in passing, but doesn't know the full whack with.

Sorry, but no dice.

Originally posted by C.C.BenjaminSorry, but no dice.

Truly "godlike", lol

No but really, we have to describe the position of persons like this:

Okay, so she was hallucinating, and saw Jesus and Egypt and different visions during her 9 hour ordeal.

"godlike" people as the above, will surely say it was Satan on her head. Surely RA and Jehovah are enemies, aren't they? Surely the god of Akhenaten and Tiye and the 18th dynasty was the most evil, pagan god ever --except for the idolatry displayed by the Pope of course, lol

Bu yes, you'll have to prepare in this thread, for no shortage of people whose mission it will be, to discredit her visions and ascribe them to demons. I fear you'll find precious little truth here henceforth which matches the grandness of what you have already seen and heard.

Originally posted by smallpeeps
Truly "godlike", lol

You need to better-acquaint yourself with Unreal Tournament, methinks.

Originally posted by smallpeepsNo but really, we have to describe the position of persons like this:

Okay, so she was hallucinating, and saw Jesus and Egypt and different visions during her 9 hour ordeal.

"godlike" people as the above, will surely say it was Satan on her head. Surely RA and Jehovah are enemies, aren't they? Surely the god of Akhenaten and Tiye and the 18th dynasty was the most evil, pagan god ever --except for the idolatry displayed by the Pope of course, lol

Bu yes, you'll have to prepare in this thread, for no shortage of people whose mission it will be, to discredit her visions and ascribe them to demons. I fear you'll find precious little truth here henceforth which matches the grandness of what you have already seen and heard.

Is...is this ironic? I'm on a mission to discredit her "visions". It's rubbish, clearly.

Originally posted by C.C.BenjaminIs...is this ironic? I'm on a mission to discredit her "visions". It's rubbish, clearly.

It can become something other than rubbish, if you have something useful to say, which so far, you do not. How many inches of space have you wasted i this thread so far? Even your last post here, has no content, just a huge bunch of quotes. Lame.

Why would you say that "mud huts" cannot be a part of a heavenly vision? Would you similarly roll your eyes at the idea of Jesus (a King) riding a donkey? How absurd, right?

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Originally posted by smallpeeps
It can become something other than rubbish, if you have something useful to say, which so far, you do not.

I'm sorry but this is a public forum, and thus the videos were posted here to get a public opinion, and so I'm giving it.

Just because you don't find what I say useful, doesn't mean it isn't. It just means I happen to be a bit more logical.

I contend we are both agnostics, I simply see the glass as being half-empty.

Originally posted by smallpeepsHow many inches of space have you wasted i this thread so far? Even your last post here, has no content, just a huge bunch of quotes. Lame.

Right. Well, I guess you'll hate this post, but I like to address the points of those I am debating with. It's a funny thing I do. Er, I mean a lame thing.

If you look, I asked a question, because the nature of your post was ambiguous.

Originally posted by smallpeepsWhy would you say that "mud huts" cannot be a part of a heavenly vision?

...because the idea is preposterous? The best they can do in Heaven is a mudbrick hut, the sort of thing man has been doing since before the Sumerians? On that note, did you know that "eden" is a Sumerian word meaning "a land between two rivers"? In this case, the Tigris and the Euphrates.

If I went to Heaven and found they were living in mudbrick huts, I'd be asking how I could get to somewhere with a bit of central heating.

Originally posted by smallpeepsWould you similarly roll your eyes at the idea of Jesus (a King) riding a donkey? How absurd, right?
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Well, yes. Jesus was never a king. The historical Jesus was likely just a traveling healer/astrologer/wiseman-type.

The normal people of his time decided he was crazy, and did away with him, assuming the whole thing isn't simply an allegory for the solar cycle and the orbit of the Earth. Which it probably is.

Now, I have to ask, aren't you slightly disturbed by some of the imagery she was coming out with? I mean, seriously, gibbering angels, cherubs who didn't particularly seem to like her, the weird, foreboding cocoons that would entrap you forever, the field and room of blood, etc.

Doesn't that make you think "probably not heaven". Honestly, it's like Muhammad's "I think the Devil is talking to me!" "Oh no, dear, that's God." "Oh, alright then!" shenanigans.

Originally posted by C.C.Benjamin

Originally posted by smallpeeps
...because the idea is preposterous? The best they can do in Heaven is a mudbrick hut, the sort of thing man has been doing since before the Sumerians?

Its a vision she had, its symbolic. No, I don't think heaven is all about mud huts, she simply dreamed of times past, when Christ worship began.

If I went to Heaven and found they were living in mudbrick huts, I'd be asking how I could get to somewhere with a bit of central heating.

Your tone displays clearly your alignment. I believe you'll get that super-heaven you are hoping for, so keep your faith intact.

Well, yes. Jesus was never a king. The historical Jesus was likely just a traveling healer/astrologer/wiseman-type.

It's fine that you think so, but you'll be wasting your time in this thread, and I hope a mod will remove you if you plan to use this thread to debunk Jesus because there's enough folks engaged in that elsewhere.

Now, I have to ask, aren't you slightly disturbed by some of the imagery she was coming out with? I mean, seriously, gibbering angels, cherubs who didn't particularly seem to like her, the weird, foreboding cocoons that would entrap you forever, the field and room of blood, etc.

No, I instead, pity your lack of vision.

The room full of blood she saw, which she and others in robes were on their knees cleaning, was possibly symbolic of the blood which has been shed by the lovers of the dead-crucified christ. They NEED blood and they NEED a blood sacrifice, and surely that fact, though veiled today, will be part of what the fulfillment of Christ worship is. The understanding of the blood ritual is not discussed on Earth today, because it might interfere with all the blood being shed today.

You've made your views clear here, and I understand you feel Jesus was just a fake, but really there are many people who do not think that's true, so can you please allow this thread to exist without your input? You'll find no shortage of Jesus-disbelievers all over ATS and they have lots of threads where you can all laugh at the idea of a faithful person being given a vision of truth.

Originally posted by smallpeeps
Its a vision she had, its symbolic. No, I don't think heaven is all about mud huts, she simply dreamed of times past, when Christ worship began.

Symbolic? No, she said she saw heaven. Mudbrick huts and all. You are doing what all religious types do when someone speaks up and says "isn't that a bit odd?" - you change the goalposts.

Originally posted by smallpeeps

Your tone displays clearly your alignment. I believe you'll get that super-heaven you are hoping for, so keep your faith intact.

Neutral-Evil, by D&D reckoning.

Just what do you believe this for? What do you base it on? Your own mother claims to have seen heaven, and it is nothing like the myths say it is - why do you somehow believe that there might be one that is?

Originally posted by smallpeeps

It's fine that you think so, but you'll be wasting your time in this thread, and I hope a mod will remove you if you plan to use this thread to debunk Jesus because there's enough folks engaged in that elsewhere.

Well, it's not really what I think, it's just what the archeological evidence suggests. I can't contradict it, I'd feel like a fool.

I don't doubt plenty of people were called Jesus (Yeshua) and plenty of them probably had a bit of wise-man mystique around them. Apollinus was another wandering miracleworker.

Now, I have to ask, aren't you slightly disturbed by some of the imagery she was coming out with? I mean, seriously, gibbering angels, cherubs who didn't particularly seem to like her, the weird, foreboding cocoons that would entrap you forever, the field and room of blood, etc.

Originally posted by smallpeeps
No, I instead, pity your lack of vision.

My lack of vision? I might not have your kind of "vision", but I can see a woman who is clearly distressed by what she has seen. She didn't have a great time the whole way, much of it she was scared. Being able to describe any aspect of Heaven as "devilish" is unbelieveably creepy.

Originally posted by smallpeepsThe room full of blood she saw, which she and others in robes were on their knees cleaning, was possibly symbolic of the blood which has been shed by the lovers of the dead-crucified christ.

No no no, it is "possibly symbolic" of God's thirst for human blood, by the gallon, to drive his internal engine of destruction to finally obliterate every other god in existence, so that, like Highlander, he is the only one left.

My point is, if you think yours is valid you have to think mine is valid because they are based on the same thing: guesswork. Neither one has anything to suggest or deny it, so both are equally possible.

Originally posted by smallpeepsThey NEED blood and they NEED a blood sacrifice,

Let's step back a second here.

You're saying God, his angels, Jesus, whatever is actually in NEED of blood? However can you justify that to yourself? You don't find that to be so terribly macabre, combined with Satan being the Great Deceiver, to lead you to think you might be being lied to?

Oh let's read on...

Originally posted by smallpeepsand surely that fact, though veiled today, will be part of what the fulfillment of Christ worship is. The understanding of the blood ritual is not discussed on Earth today, because it might interfere with all the blood being shed today.

...and you're getting this from where? What compelled you to create this fantastical explanation in your mind? Because I doubt you read this in the Bible (having read it cover-to-cover multiple times, I know you didn't).

You are using plenty of words like "possibly" and "might" - you don't know. You've made it clear you don't know because of all the wishy-washy "maybe"s. So why not just say "Hey, I'll be honest with you, I don't have a clue"?

Originally posted by smallpeepsYou've made your views clear here, and I understand you feel Jesus was just a fake,

I honestly think he was just seriously misquoted.

Originally posted by smallpeepsbut really there are many people who do not think that's true, so can you please allow this thread to exist without your input? You'll find no shortage of Jesus-disbelievers all over ATS and they have lots of threads where you can all laugh at the idea of a faithful person being given a vision of truth.

Unfortunately I apparently can't stay out...

My problem is the willful propagation of ignorance. Against all the evidence (a Satanic-sounding Heaven) you have decided to make blase assumptions that you assume to be true on absolutely nothing at all. I can't stand idly by and let you think such ridiculous things, because what kind of man would I be if I were to allow others to wallow in darkness while I was the only one reading by a light?

If this was some message or vision from God, doesn't it disturb you that there are people who just don't think so? I mean, surely God would be able to make me believe simply by saying "I AM!" with a thunderclap, and I'd say "You are!" and sit down and shut the fark up? What if the being you think is communicating this vision doesn't have that kind of power, so he has to resort to tricks and subtleties to try and blag people over to his point of view?

Basically your arguments are not based on sound logic, even if one were to accept the premise that your mother was seeing some kind of afterlife.

Originally posted by C.C.BenjaminWell, it's not really what I think, it's just what the archeological evidence suggests. I can't contradict it, I'd feel like a fool.

You'd be right. At what point in your massive threads are you going to mention archaeology? Feel free to just bury this thread like most at ATS, it really doesn't matter to the OP or to me, I am sure.

She didn't have a great time the whole way, much of it she was scared. Being able to describe any aspect of Heaven as "devilish" is unbelieveably creepy.

She's not sad, she's crying with joy. Are you obstinate or just ignorant?

No no no, it is "possibly symbolic" of God's thirst for human blood, by the gallon, to drive his internal engine of destruction to finally obliterate every other god in existence, so that, like Highlander, he is the only one left.

My point is, if you think yours is valid you have to think mine is valid because they are based on the same thing: guesswork. Neither one has anything to suggest or deny it, so both are equally possible.

That is feeble logic, and actually, I'm growing bored with you, so like I said, just bury this thread and continue on doing whatever it is that you do.

You're saying God, his angels, Jesus, whatever is actually in NEED of blood? However can you justify that to yourself? You don't find that to be so terribly macabre, combined with Satan being the Great Deceiver, to lead you to think you might be being lied to?

No, it is Christianity, which dwells on the blood which Jesus shed. I myself, having an imagination and being aware of dreams, can easily see the symbolism of what she saw. If you don't agree, then bury this thread, as is your right, on ATS.

Unfortunately I apparently can't stay out...

It is unfortunate, yes.

you have decided to make blase assumptions that you assume to be true on absolutely nothing at all.

Untrue of course, but you are a waste of my time. I'll just let you have your way with this poor lady. Maybe she needs a phone call from your saintly self so you can preach to her and tell her to cheer up, eh?

What if the being you think is communicating this vision doesn't have that kind of power, so he has to resort to tricks and subtleties to try and blag people over to his point of view?

I hear you, she's talking to the devil. But again, you've made your point, and I think it's clear how you feel.

Anything else you need to express in this thread? Anything which actually contains archaeology or comments on the details of her vision, might allow you to look like less of an obfuscator.

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