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reply posted on 7-10-2008 @ 03:16 AM by Karlhungis
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US futures are +80 right now. They were +175 earlier. At least it isn't -275 like it was last night. So as of now, it looks like today will be a better day than yesterday. Let's hope.


reply posted on 7-10-2008 @ 05:35 AM by GoalPoster
Originally posted by nfotech
It's like how they can drop the gas prices by a quarter after raising them by 2-3 dollars and people say "wow, gas prices are down, whoopee!".
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Last night as I was signing over my first kid and the deed to my house to fill the Pontiac, I got the notion of how interesting it was that the price of gas has gotten lost in all of this . . . if you look at the last time oil was in the $90 range, gas was under $3 per gallon. Funny we haven't heard anything about oil company profits in a while after several consecutive quarters of record profits.

Gas is still siphoning $3.30 to $3.70 a gallon out of our wallets, but we're too focused on the fact the governement will own more than half the houses in the US in the next little while.

What about the 'shortages' in parts of the US that have a growing number of people thinking they too are manufactured for a myriad of reasons?

Oh my GOD . . . there's a gas shortage . . . THAT'S why prices remain [artificially] high . . .

Makes one thinl . . . are the various crisis around the world manufactured to endure GWB, Cheney and those of their ilk maintain the slurping sound of money from our wallets despite the 'trying times' we are apparently now in?

It's a stretch, but it does make you think.

Funny too in that 'bailout' 'rescue' 'revitalization' 'extortion' bill that was passed last week, there was a provision for tax breaks for people cleaning up after the Valez incident in Alaska a handful of years back. If Exxon is raping us for extra profit, why the hell can't they pay for the cleanup?

Things that make you go hmmmmmmmm.

Betcha the markets make a bit of a comeback this morning before another round of profit taking later this afternoon, all serving to perpetuate the myth.

My 'short and curlies' hurt from them being grabbed!!!!!!!

Meanwhile, Richard (Dick . . . really) Fuld says he can't sleep over what happened to Lehman brothers . . . I'll give you 300 million reasons why I think he's full of crap.



reply posted on 7-10-2008 @ 08:36 AM by nfotech
Fox news reported sales of safes are going through the roof. That indicates people are preparing to store cash, gold /silver / misc metals and valuables and if they haven't made a bank run yet they will be....

As others have pointed out, oil prices are dropping but gas prices not only seem to be holding steady but the post Ike shortages have given way to longer and unexplained shortages.

Retailers have been running low on stock here, (grocers and grocery wholesalers, especially the larger ones like Wal-mart, Sams). You can bet they will know when to stop ordering full stock or when to short stock in order to take advantage of "inflation".

Alex Jones isn't my personal favorite source but he made some good points on his Oct 6th show. When the welfare checks stop coming or no longer cover the cost of food there is no telling what kind of chaos might ensue.

My wife is one of those people you would describe as "willingly ignorant", she just doesn't want to believe even though I've been proven right for years now. I've made progress, even brought her around to supporting Ron Paul's campaign. She knows the govt is corrupt and even took the correct position on the bailout with no input from me. She just can't make that leap to believing in the larger conspiracy and the future plans for the NAU, NWO and so on.

The problem is that she doesn't want to prepare. She still believes a hyper inflationary depression can't and won't happen and that basic food prices might become completely unreal. I told her to research past currency collapses - maybe she'll work it in between her TV shows...

Anyway, sorry for the side trip but my point is there are a lot of people out there who range from no clue at all to having the data but just not wanting to compute it. On the bright side, if everyone went into preparation mode the full on bank panic would be underway (if it doesn't go into turbo drive today, which I fear it might) and long term supplies, weapons and ammunition would be rare and expensive in a hurry.

Thank God I talked her into making a trip to the gun store to pick up a semi auto rifle, a hunting rifle and scope, shotgun and a few hand guns. I pray we won't need them but it's better to have them and not need them than to need them and not have them....


reply posted on 7-10-2008 @ 08:51 AM by dlongwell547
Originally posted by nfotech
Fox news reported sales of safes are going through the roof. That indicates people are preparing to store cash, gold /silver / misc metals and valuables and if they haven't made a bank run yet they will be....

As others have pointed out, oil prices are dropping but gas prices not only seem to be holding steady but the post Ike shortages have given way to longer and unexplained shortages.

Retailers have been running low on stock here, (grocers and grocery wholesalers, especially the larger ones like Wal-mart, Sams). You can bet they will know when to stop ordering full stock or when to short stock in order to take advantage of "inflation".

Alex Jones isn't my personal favorite source but he made some good points on his Oct 6th show. When the welfare checks stop coming or no longer cover the cost of food there is no telling what kind of chaos might ensue.

My wife is one of those people you would describe as "willingly ignorant", she just doesn't want to believe even though I've been proven right for years now. I've made progress, even brought her around to supporting Ron Paul's campaign. She knows the govt is corrupt and even took the correct position on the bailout with no input from me. She just can't make that leap to believing in the larger conspiracy and the future plans for the NAU, NWO and so on.

The problem is that she doesn't want to prepare. She still believes a hyper inflationary depression can't and won't happen and that basic food prices might become completely unreal. I told her to research past currency collapses - maybe she'll work it in between her TV shows...

Anyway, sorry for the side trip but my point is there are a lot of people out there who range from no clue at all to having the data but just not wanting to compute it. On the bright side, if everyone went into preparation mode the full on bank panic would be underway (if it doesn't go into turbo drive today, which I fear it might) and long term supplies, weapons and ammunition would be rare and expensive in a hurry.

Thank God I talked her into making a trip to the gun store to pick up a semi auto rifle, a hunting rifle and scope, shotgun and a few hand guns. I pray we won't need them but it's better to have them and not need them than to need them and not have them....


Your wife sounds like mine, she knows in her heart that all these conspiracy theories I have been telling her about, are starting to become fact. However she still holds on to the cozy feeling that our government are the good guys, that there is nothing sinister going on. Oh well I have done my best to get prepared as well, we have plenty of guns and ammo, and enough food for awhile.

Hopefully things dont get bad, but at this point it doesnt look very good. Things look to be heading up so far in the stock market, the DOW is up 140 right now. They appear to be propping things up in the FED, but how long is that going to help? Isnt it just a banaid on a gaping wound?

I dont know a lot about financial dealings, but wouldnt it be better to let things fail and then let it rebuild? Wouldnt it be better to punish people for bad mistakes rather then buy them out? I would think if they know they are going to be bailed out, they will just keep doing the same thing, and we will have the same problems.


reply posted on 7-10-2008 @ 09:28 AM by nfotech
reply to post by dlongwell547



Well, if the people I respect on this subject and my own observations are correct they do plan to bring things to a huge fail. I had a hard time believing they would be able to manipulate us into the NAU and the Amero but now it's all making sense. They have to get us to mentally / emotionally accept the loss of our sovereignty and our almighty dollar. The process I couldn't envision until now is one of exhausting the public. Push a huge, ugly bailout package as the immediate "first" step solution (at least first "media promoted" one, keeping in mind the lead up steps involving interest rate cuts, manipulation of the gold market, F May and F Mack, mergers and acquisitions not to mention billions in soft peddled "liquidity").

By making this a global collapse there is no one there to bail us out, in fact - many of our strategic allies are looking to us to bail them out.

When the 700 billion, quickly expanded to 900 plus another what, 200 or so in pork frosting fails to convince the banks to give credit where can they go? Of course these big banks aren't going to open the credit pipes, they're getting paid not to, getting our tax dollars which they can use to buy up more assets as the other banks and companies collapse thanks to that same credit being unavailable.

Haven't we learned our lesson from the oil companies? We allow them to define the supply and restrict it for profit, (do some research into the disappearance of oil refineries over the past decade).

Now we're playing the same exact idiotic game with these big banks who took over our country long ago and won't rest until they own and control everything. You wouldn't believe how excessively wealthy the federal reserve banks are. The most over the top oil sheik or even Kings of history don't even compare to these "people". Most of us can't even comprehend just how much wealth and power they have.

So it's clearly going to get bad, very, very bad. Everything I've read and researched clearly shows this to be an intentional disaster, an economic inside job intended to consolidate wealth and power while taking the NWO up a few more steps to completion. It's a very dangerous game they're playing, however. It's pretty much now or never so they're going for it - the real question and the real answer no prophets or web bots seem to be able to answer is will they succeed or will humanity finally manage to be free?


reply posted on 7-10-2008 @ 03:32 PM by broli
money.cnn.com...

Looks like Mr. Jones is taking a hike down the mountain.
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