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Topic started on 6-10-2008 @ 02:57 AM by Bunch
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A lot is been said of late of Sen. Obama been a terrorist, or a crook or watever comes of late from Gov. Palin mouth
Palin: Obama Began His Political Career In Terrorist’s Living
Room
Of course this shows how desperate they are right now and how low they are willing to get to get to the WH. But since all of the sudden the McCain
campaign and their supporters here and elsewhere find it so important that we discuss the past of Sen. Obama lets take sometime and analyzed Sen.
McCain past connections.
So lets start with the Keating Five:
In 1972, Charles Keating began to work for American Financial Corporation, a company involved in insurance and banking. Four years later he moved
to Phoenix, Arizona to run the real estate firm American Continental Corporation, a spin-off of American Financial Corp. In 1984, American
Continental Corporation bought Lincoln Savings. Such savings and loan associations had been deregulated in the early 1980s, allowing them the
opportunity to make highly risky investments with their depositors’ money, an opportunity of which Keating took advantage.
Some regulators noted the danger posed by these deregulations and pushed for more oversight, but Congress refused. This may be due, in part, to the
Keating Five, five Senators — Dennis DeConcini, Alan Cranston, John Glenn, Don Riegle and John McCain — who had received, for both themselves and
for groups they supported, well over $1 million from Keating in the 1980s as favors and political contributions.[1] They later met twice with
regulators who were investigating American Continental Corporation, in an attempt to end the investigation. (In 1991, they would be rebuked to various
degrees by the Senate Ethics Committee.)[2]
en.wikipedia.org...
So what happen later to this Keating fella?
In September 1990, Keating was criminally charged with having duped Lincoln's customers into buying worthless junk bonds of American
Continental Corporation; he was convicted in state court in 1992 of fraud, racketeering, and conspiracy and received a 10 year prison sentence. In
January 1993, a federal conviction followed, with a 12 and a half year sentence. He spent four and a half years in prison, but convictions were
eventually overturned. Thereafter, on the eve of the retrial on the federal charges, Keating pleaded guilty to several felony charges in return for a
sentence of time served
en.wikipedia.org...
So Sen. McCain in part help this later convicted criminal by been in his pocket book and helpong this crook to do away with the money of many citizens
who he took advantage off.
This was in the 1980's but what else was Sen. McCain doing during this time? He was also busy sitting on the board of the United States Council for
World Freedom, but what exactly is the USCWF?
The U.S. chapter of WACL, the United States Council for World Freedom (USWCF), has been one of the most active branches. USCWF was founded in 1981
by Major General John K. Singlaub. This branch has generated controversy, as it has been found to have illegally supplied firearms to guerillas in
the Iran-Contra Affair and, in 1981, the USCWF was placed under watch by the Anti-Defamation League, which noted the organization had increasingly
become a point of contact for extremists, racists and anti-Semites.[1]
en.wikipedia.org...
So how exactly is Sen. McCain connected to this hate group? Well in the 1980's Sen. McCain was sitting in the
BOARD of this criminal hategroup.
So here we have a Senator that is trying to have people look at his opponent ties without looking first and his own political birth. The fact is that
Sen. McCain political career started by been in the pockets of racist criminals and criminal bankers and investor. The kind of deregulation that Sen.
McCain hard fought while been part of the Keating Five was the igniter of the late 80's
Savings and Loans crisis that cost millions to tax payers.
So if Sen. Obama should be disqualified for been loosely associated with a domestic terrorist the what should happen to Sen. McCain for been in the
pocket of crooks and sitting in the board of a criminal, racist and anti-Semite organization?
I mean its just fair to ask...
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reply posted on 6-10-2008 @ 03:08 AM by mental modulator
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S+F
Anyways ATS is not fair and balanced: 
This OBAMA crapola is in reaction to this
www.fivethirtyeight.com...
MCCAIN is in trouble, the only tactic left nuke it all!
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reply posted on 6-10-2008 @ 07:55 AM by Benevolent Heretic
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The following is a preview of a 13 minute documentary, "Keating Economics: John McCain and the Making of a Financial Crisis", that details
the McCain/Keating connection. The Obama campaign will release the documentary at noon Eastern today in response to the “guilt-by-association”
tactics that McCain is using to distract people from the economy, as that is clearly his weak point.
I look forward to seeing the whole video. Preview:
Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) on Monday is launching a multimedia campaign to draw attention to the involvement of Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) in the
“Keating Five” savings-and-loan scandal of 1989-91, which blemished McCain’s public image and set him on his course as a self-styled
reformer.
Pushing back against what it calls McCain's “guilt-by-association” tactics, the Obama campaign overnight began e-mailing millions of supporters a
link to a website, KeatingEconomics.com, which will have a 13-minute documentary on the scandal beginning at noon Eastern time on Monday.
Politico
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reply posted on 6-10-2008 @ 07:59 AM by FlyersFan
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I started a thread on McCain and the Keating Five back in April.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
Even though he was given a 'free and clear' on this (not by me!), my conclusion was that this should have been the end of his political career.
Edited to add - the Keating Five was definately a 'corrupt' incident.
I wouldn't label it 'radical'.
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reply posted on 6-10-2008 @ 08:13 AM by nyk537
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It's funny how Obama supporters, when confronted with the truth about Obama and his terrorists friends, don't deny the allegations, they just simply
point the finger at something McCain did.
It's funny that Obama won't respond are refute these claims too.
Nobody can stand up and honsetly defend Obama on his radical friends. They don't even try anymore.
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reply posted on 6-10-2008 @ 08:19 AM by stikkinikki
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When do we get to talk about Sarah Palin's support of the Alaskan separatist movement? Is she just naive or does she really think it's ok to take a
majority of the oil reserves of the United States away?
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reply posted on 6-10-2008 @ 08:24 AM by FlyersFan
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Originally posted by stikkinikki
When do we get to talk about Sarah Palin's support of the Alaskan separatist movement?
The weekly standard says that is an urban legend and a
hoax. I've read elsewhere that she wasn't a member, but that she visited a meeting 'as a courtesy' while she was either mayor or govenor (I
can't remember which).
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reply posted on 6-10-2008 @ 08:26 AM by nyk537
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We have talked about it. You see, unlike Obama's terrorists friends, the media isn't afraid to go after Palin.
We talked about it and found that Palin was never a member.
We found that the group doesn't advocate succession as a theme, only a few of it's more "outspoken" members do. It's a states rights group who is
more concerned about taking care of their state than anything the federal government is doing. There are groups like that everywhere.
We've talked about everything Palin has ever done.
I think it's finally time we got around to talking about Obama and his past.
Deflection will no longer work.
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reply posted on 6-10-2008 @ 08:28 AM by Benevolent Heretic
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Originally posted by nyk537
It's funny how Obama supporters, when confronted with the truth about Obama and his terrorists friends...
Obama's associations with Ayers, Rezko, Wright and all of the accusations HAVE been answered here on ATS AND by Obama on his "Fight the
Smears" website.
This thread is not about Obama's associations, though. 
Originally posted by stikkinikki
When do we get to talk about Sarah Palin's
This issue has also been discussed on ATS.
This thread is ALSO not about Sarah Palin's associations.
A simple search will reveal many threads about these subjects.
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reply posted on 6-10-2008 @ 08:29 AM by FlyersFan
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Originally posted by nyk537
I think it's finally time we got around to talking about Obama and his past.
It's not really his 'past'. It's his present. Ayers and WRight and Auchi and Cones and ACORN .. it's all in his present.
BACK ON TOPIC - McCain and the Keating Five.
I started that thead back in April but it got almost no attention.
The Keating Five fits the OP accusation of 'corruption' BUT it doesn't fit 'radical'. Would the OP please post some information showing John
McCain's 'radical' past? Thanks.
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reply posted on 6-10-2008 @ 01:43 PM by Office 4256
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I've noticed here locally on the radio that the McCane supporters, seeing everything slipping through their fingers, have become near hysterical. I
expect them to gin up some "eyewitness" that saw eight-year-old Barry Obama driving Bill Ayers get-away car after the Capitol bombing. The sad
thing is, Senator McCane has sat on boards with some unsavory types also. If he really wants to do this, he has a twenty-six year record to defend,
and there must be something. What was the name of the blond telecom lobbyist he was all hot over in 2000? The politics of personal destruction works
both ways, my friends.
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reply posted on 6-10-2008 @ 02:41 PM by Benevolent Heretic
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In addition to the Keating 5 connection, McCain has associations with other "radical" people...
Take Raffaello Follieri, for instance. In September of this year, he pleaded guilty to conspiracy to commit wire fraud, eight counts of wire fraud and
five counts of money laundering...
Here's John McCain (along with Rick Davies, his top aide and campaign co-manager) boarding Raffaello's yacht in 2006 for McCain's birthday
celebration...
A few months after McCain's yacht party, Follieri strengthened his ties to McCain's orbit by retaining Rick Davis's well-connected Washington
lobbying firm, Davis Manafort, and offering Davis both an investment deal and help in securing the Catholic vote for McCain's presidential bid.
Follieri, who posed as Vatican chief financial officer in order to win friends and investments, pleaded guilty Wednesday in a Manhattan
district court to conspiracy to commit wire fraud, eight counts of wire fraud and five counts of money laundering. As part of the plea, Follieri
admitted to misappropriating at least $2.4 million of investor money and redirecting it to foreign personal bank accounts that were disguised as
business accounts.
The Nation
Another "radical" tie of McCain's that many people are unaware of... John Singlaub:
But John McCain sat on the board of a very right-wing organization, it was the U.S. Council for World Freedom, it was chaired by a guy named John
Singlaub, who wound up involved in the Iran contra scandal. It was an ultra conservative, right-wing group. The Anti-Defamation League, in 1981 when
McCain was on the board, said this about this organization. It was affiliated with the World Anti-Communist League – the parent organization –
which ADL said “has increasingly become a gathering place, a forum, a point of contact for extremists, racists and anti-Semites.”
Politico - Paul Begala
That's just a couple that exist. I'll let someone else talk about Richard Quinn and John Hagee.
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reply posted on 6-10-2008 @ 03:53 PM by teeveesfrank
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reply posted on 6-10-2008 @ 11:52 PM by Bunch
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Originally posted by FlyersFan
Edited to add - the Keating Five was definately a 'corrupt' incident.
I wouldn't label it 'radical'.
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The radical part if the mention that I make about Sen. McCain been in the board of a organization like the United States Council for World Freedom, an
organization that was mention by the Anti-Defamation League because it is a point of contact for extremists, racists and anti-Semites.
He sat on the board of this organization during his early political career, this organization also was into illegal activities during the Iran-Contra
issue.
McCain supporters want to link Obama for stuff that Ayers did when Obama was 8 years old, but they dont mention that the links that tied McCain to
Keating and the United States Council for Freedom where at the time that McCain was starting his political career.
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reply posted on 7-10-2008 @ 08:28 AM by Benevolent Heretic
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Originally posted by Bunch
McCain supporters want to link Obama for stuff that Ayers did when Obama was 8 years old, but they dont mention that the links that tied McCain to
Keating and the United States Council for Freedom where at the time that McCain was starting his political career.
And think about it... McCain IS one of the Keating 5. It's not like he knew one of them, or served on a board with one of them, he IS one of
them.
Obama, on the other hand, is not a Weatherman. He was 8 when they were active. Obama met a university professor and served on a couple boards
with him. This University professor had been a protester of the Vietnam War (like millions of other people) when Obama was a child. It's not like
Obama was even REMOTELY connected to Ayers' illegal activities.
I don't know how anyone can think these two associations are even remotely comparable...
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reply posted on 7-10-2008 @ 11:02 AM by Benevolent Heretic
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This is a discussion between John McCain and his "old friend" G. Gordon Liddy, who is best known for his vital role in Watergate.
McCain says he is proud of Liddy.
Something tells me if we dig around, we could find all sorts of "radical" ties to John McCain...
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reply posted on 7-10-2008 @ 11:19 AM by FlyersFan
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
I don't know how anyone can think these two associations are even remotely comparable...
Ayers and Keating 5?
Obama is NOW hanging out with and working with an UNREPENTANT terrorist who bombed the pentagon and who conspired to kill Americans.
McCain was cleared of any wrongdoing in the Keating Five affair that happened decades ago.
McCain - decades ago.
Obama - NOW.
McCain - cleared.
Obama - Continuing.
McCain - associatons now??
Obama - associations now are Wright, Ayers, Cones, Rashid Khalidi, Auchi, etc
You are right. No comparison.
Side note - I was pleased to see the Obama ad bringing up the Keating Five. It's about time.
Originally posted by Bunch
United States Council for World Freedom,
Excellent point! Definately something worthy to dig into!
In my subjective opinion - radical!
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Raffaello Follieri,
Corrupt for sure.
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Richard Quinn and John Hagee.
I have never heard of Richard Quinn.
John Hagee was just someone who endorsed McCain. He wasn't McCain's pastor or mentor. Hagee is a dangerous whackadoo but, to the best of my
knowledge, he doesn't have a relationship with McCain.
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
G. Gordon Liddy,
Repentant. But still corruption.
2008 - we are screwed.
Vote Baldwin - Constitution Party.
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reply posted on 7-10-2008 @ 11:52 AM by davion
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Originally posted by FlyersFan
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
G. Gordon Liddy,
Repentant. But still corruption.
Repentant? Is that why he was the only one that refused adamantly to testify and/or plea-bargain against the people he worked with and thus got the
highest jail sentence?
Yes, what a repentant and class act by Liddy.
And I wouldn't call planning to kill Jack Anderson or Howard Hunt simply "corrupt" either. I mean, aren't you saying that Ayers planned to kill
people? Well so did Liddy, just none of them came to fruition.
You can read all about it in Liddy's autobiography which also became a movie. It's called Will
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reply posted on 7-10-2008 @ 12:01 PM by Benevolent Heretic
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Never mind. It's off topic and not worth it.
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